Thread: Guantanamo disgrace... show your stories here.

Originally Posted by Texpat

Poms, short mongoloid taffy twats in particular, are the thickest, stupid fucks I've ever met.

ahh, a resort to name calling when faced with the frustrations of being wrong.

i had heard about this sort of thing.

Originally Posted by britmaveric

Don't forget Aussies, and my countrymen - Sky is just as popular. hehehe

I think FOX and SKY merged (or something like that) about 10 years ago.

July 16, 2008
Wall Street Journal


In a recent interview with the Yemen Observer, David Remes, a Covington & Burling partner who was in Yemen working on his representation of 15 Yemeni detainees at Gitmo, told the journalist that he had “two missions” during the visit: “first to meet the families of the men that I represent in Guantanamo and second, to do what I can to promote the cause of these men.”

It was in the name of this zealous advocacy that Remes (Columbia, Harvard Law) removed his pants at a news conference on Monday. This morning, we caught up with Remes, who had just landed at JFK after a 14-hour flight from Dubai.

“I’d been to Guantanamo in mid-June,” explained Remes, “and there’s a certain amount of normalcy that has settled over the normal miserable conditions of confinement, which amount to solitary confinement without sleep and without sunlight and without anyone to talk to. So at the news conference, I said that, in addition to this torment, which has become so typical that we don’t even talk about it anymore, now the torment also consists of constant body searches in which the men are required to pull their shirts up to their chest, drop their pants, and then the corn-fed U.S. military sticks their thumbs under the prisoner’s underwear band and circles the prisoner’s torsos.” Remes said these searches can take place several times in the course of a day.

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Well, they are terrorist prisoners, Einstein.
With nutters like this defending you... a mate of yours Anty?


Good to see the scum are searched several times daily. They're hiding weapons in their Korans, you know...

Originally Posted by Texpat

Well, they are terrorist prisoners

why haven't any of them been charged then?

Originally Posted by panama hat

CNN has a wide international following BBC has a wide international following A-J has a wide international following Fox???? I guess there are things that only fly in the US

Just to be clear, BBC World & CNN Int'l are global news channels, with 300 million and I think around 200 million subscribers globally. A-J is the new kid on the block, with about 80 million I think. All three of these report global events and perspectives, with obviously A-J taking a more middle east view, and CNN with an American perspective and BBC as is obvious. All three are respected for their global coverage.

Fox is a purely US based news channel on a global mission to virtually give it away to cable and satellite stations globally. Everyone knows Fox is a right wing spin machine, nonstop propaganda source, and does not cover global news unless it's directly related to the US. It's domestic news is heavily concentrated on politics, and to a lesser extent tabloid crime coverage.

Nobody with a brain would rely on any one source for coverage, but to ignore the importance of any one of them and to belittle people for watching one because it does not agree with personal politics is nonsense.

this whole war against terror shite is nothing but a political tool to exercise a new world order based on control and fear.

americans are now quite happy to have their liberties shit on in a way that they would never have been pre 9/11.

if you are happy to fall for it, more fool you.

Originally Posted by chinthee

but to ignore the importance of any one of them

nobody is denying the importance of Fox news in maintaining control over the blind.

take fox away and people might actually begin to see.

Did the Nurenburg trials start before the fight was finished?

Not everyone watches FOX. I certainly don't. It's biased, just as BBC is.

American liberties, if lost at the current rate, might begin to resemble pom liberties in another 200 years.

Judge clears way for first Guantanamo Bay trial




By MATT APUZZO – 7 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. can begin trying Osama bin Laden's former driver next week at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, a federal judge ruled Thursday, rejecting the defendant's plea to halt the historic first trial in the military system set up following the Sept. 11 terror attacks.


The Associated Press: Judge clears way for first Guantanamo Bay trial

Originally Posted by Texpat

Did the Nurenburg trials start before the fight was finished?

an obscene and fatuous comparison.

Originally Posted by britmaveric

The U.S. can begin trying Osama bin Laden's former driver next week at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, a federal judge ruled Thursday, rejecting the defendant's plea to halt the historic first trial in the military system set up following the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

anyone care to tell Tex pat that this isn't the teenager that allegedly threw a grenade 6 years ago.

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

nobody is denying the importance of Fox news in maintaining control over the blind. take fox away and people might actually begin to see.

Americans who live in the US, I know rarely watch Fox. Expats who have Fox to watch in Thailand are grossly wrong on the attached importance they think this channel plays in America. In fact, it is only the top rated cable news program because many people don't watch cable news. The huge American networks, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc., are more watched domestically.

Yet, all these expats, because all they see coming into their home in Thailand is Fox, and maybe CNN, think it is more important than it is.

Grow up. Travel a little. Visit the US before spouting this crap.

Originally Posted by chinthee

Grow up. Travel a little. Visit the US before spouting this crap.

so brit is making stuff up again right?

seems fox has taken a massive hit in viewership.

maybe there is hope yet, but some still cling.

Study shows Fox News viewers misinformed about war, Iraq, WMD
Posted October 6th, 2003 at 11:43 am

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I have naively believed for years that staying informed about current events by getting some news is better than blissful ignorance derived from getting no news. Then Fox News Channel helped demonstrate just how wrong I was.

The Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland conducted a thorough study of public knowledge and attitudes about current events and the war on terrorism. Researchers found that the public’s mistaken impressions of three facets of U.S. foreign policy — discovery of alleged WMD in Iraq, alleged Iraqi involvement in 9/11, and international support for a U.S. invasion of Iraq — helped fuel support for the war.

While the PIPA study concluded that most Americans (over 60%) held at least one of these mistaken impressions, the researchers also concluded that Americans’ opinions were shaped in large part by which news outlet they relied upon to receive their information.

As the researchers explained in their report, “The extent of Americans’ misperceptions vary significantly depending on their source of news. Those who receive most of their news from Fox News are more likely than average to have misperceptions. Those who receive most of their news from NPR or PBS are less likely to have misperceptions. These variations cannot simply be explained as a result of differences in the demographic characteristics of each audience, because these variations can also be found when comparing the demographic subgroups of each audience.”

Almost shocking was the extent to which Fox News viewers were mistaken. Those who relied on the conservative network for news, PIPA reported, were “three times more likely than the next nearest network to hold all three misperceptions. In the audience for NPR/PBS, however, there was an overwhelming majority who did not have any of the three misperceptions, and hardly any had all three.”

Looking at the misperceptions one at a time, people were asked, for example, if the U.S. had discovered the alleged stockpiles of WMD in Iraq since the war began. Just 11% of those who relied on newspapers as their “primary news source” incorrectly believed that U.S. forces had made such a discovery. Only slightly more — 17% — of those who relied on NPR and PBS were wrong. Yet 33% of Fox News viewers were wrong, far ahead of those who relied on any other outlet.

Likewise, when people were asked if the U.S. had “clear evidence” that Saddam Hussein was “working closely with al Queda,” similar results were found. Only 16% of NPR and PBS listeners/viewers believed that the U.S. has such evidence, while 67% of Fox News viewers were under that mistaken impression.

Overall, 80 percent of those who relied on Fox News as their primary news source believed at least one of the three misperceptions. Viewers/listeners/readers of other news outlets didn’t even come close to this total.

In other words, Fox News viewers are literally less informed about these basic facts. They have, put simply, been led to believe things that are simply not true. These poor dupes would have done better in this survey, statistically speaking, if they received no news at all and simply guessed whether the claims were accurate.

And, in addition to a fun bash-Fox-athon, I wanted to add that the PIPA study also documented that those who relied on newspapers as their primary news source were better informed than those who watched any of the television news broadcasts. The only folks more informed than newspaper readers were NPR listeners.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

I wonder how American young will react if their country was invaded by a foreign force, like the Chinese.

I guess they wouldn't fight and surrender to the Chinese, or worse, they would cooperate,

Actually, 90% of the US population would cooperate, and fail to resist.

That's not saying much for US patriotism, but it would still leave 30 million terrorist enemy combatants to be hunted down and killed or incarcerated.

Fox news Seen:




Also these countries:

• Argentina
• Australia
• Bahamas
• Barbados
• Belize
• Bermuda
• Cambodia
• Cayman Islands
• Chile
• Colombia

• Costa Rica
• Dominican Republic
• Finland
• Grenada
• Guam
• Guatemala
• Hong Kong
• Iceland
• Indonesia

• Ireland
• Israel
• Italy
• Jamaica
• Kazakhstan
• Kyrgyzstan
• Lebanon
• Macau
• Malaysia
• Maldives
• Mexico

• Netherlands
• New Zealand
• Nigeria
• Norway
• Pakistan
• Palau
• Panama
• Peru
• Papua New Guinea

• Philippines
• Portugal
• Russia
• Saudi Arabia
• Singapore
• Saint Kitts
• Saint Lucia
• Saint Vincent and the Grenadines

• Spain
• Slovenia
• Sweden
• Thailand
• Trinidad and Tobago
• Tonga
• United Arab Emirates
• United Kingdom
• Venezuela

Originally Posted by britmaveric

Fox news Seen

you left out...."as comedy"

^Of course, as I said before, FoxNews is a propaganda machine of Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes. They give away the channel to anyone in the world, why else do you think it's on every damn cable and satellite system???

Pretty Impressive you must admit even if you believe its comedy, hey CMN?

And most news these days are far from unbiased.

Brit has cleverly trolled this away from the original point of the thread.

this wasn't supposed to be yet another 'fox news is crap' thread.
we all know it's bullshit.

^What was the point of this thread again? (smth about fictional gitmo abuses???)

It might come as a surprise to CMN and other uninformed typical American bashers who haven't spent any time there, but most Americans still get their news from firstly, the morning local paper, secondly, from watching the local evening news followed by its affiliate on one of the major networks, ABC, CBS, NBC.

This is where the huge bulk of information dissemination comes from to the average American. relatively few watch CNN, BBC, or Fox. A-J is not available, which is an interesting fact in itself. There was recently one cable station on the east coast that has defied FCC and has broadcasted AJ. Not sure where that stands.

Anyway, Fox is relatively unimportant to the average American as a news source. Get that through your heads before you start calling all American Fox sheep. It's a big country. Lots of varying views and opinions. Millions and millions of college educated and well traveled people. Open your mind.

I couldn't be bothered to read the thread, some old stuff, ain't everything the Bush administration does bad?

It does seem that there are many non-Americans who spend a considerable amount of their lives seeking out and sharing information needed to reenforce their view of the US as evil?

Why?

DO you guys really think this is a productive use of your time?

Originally Posted by britmaveric

^What was the point of this thread again? (smth about fictional gitmo abuses???)

its about how many calories prisoners get, irrelevant clips from youtube and how well Fox news give a balanced and unbiased view of current affairs.

Brit you should go back to sitting on the fence with no real opinion, you are making yourself look foolish.

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

I couldn't be bothered to read the thread, some old stuff, ain't everything the Bush administration does bad?

Its a good idea to the read the thread before jumping in with your opinion.