Thread: Guantanamo disgrace... show your stories here.

So something in Lousiana caused the The US Government to detain prisoners in Gitmo?

Strange reasoning, but I getting to see a pattern.

Er, the argument has moved on. Indeed, you attempted to contribute to the new twist in response to Butterfly's comment above so I had assumed you must have noticed. My subsequent post re. Louisiana was in response to yours. Rather clever and adroit, I thought, but not too much that you would have missed the point.

Unfortunately, I was perhaps being a little charitable.

Easy boys, that there Euro-trash simply winding y'all up...

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

... Amazing how pigeonholed so many posters are and how tightly they follow their chosen doctrine. As there any critical thinkers here?

Can any posters see both sides of an issue and appreciate the nuances?

I don’t see it, especially the leftist posters here seem to be overly influenced by their party’s propaganda and are unable to think outside the party line...

Can you even spell "ironic"? What about "hypocrite".

Originally Posted by Texpat

Absolutely true in this thread, which started on the premise that Gitmo is a disgrace -- a single opinion. There are many opinions on Gitmo, but others were not welcome here.

There's absolutely no problem with your having an opinion, Tex. Especially contrary ones. This is a discussion forum, so actually more the better. What you consistently miss in all your defensiveness however is that to arrive at a conclusion you must at least have valid reasoning based upon objective fact.

Norton's a good example of this. There are several things that I've disagreed with him on but not once have I been able to fault his rationale. It makes for interesting debate. You rarely give an opinion much less a rationale; you simply seek to shout others down; call them names; and ignore facts that are inconsistent with what you claim. You are your own worst enemy in this regard yet you continually blame others.

You're not a victim of persecution here Tex.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

You rarely give an opinion much less a rationale; you simply seek to shout others down; call them names; and ignore facts that are inconsistent with what you claim. You are your own worst enemy in this regard yet you continually blame others.

speaking of which, where is Mr Earl these days?

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

You rarely give an opinion much less a rationale; you simply seek to shout others down; call them names; and ignore facts that are inconsistent with what you claim. You are your own worst enemy in this regard yet you continually blame others.

speaking of which, where is Mr Earl these days?

He hasn't been posting? Frankly a lot of our American friends on here are so similar in posting style of late they all tend to blend into one; it's hard to tell who is calling you a "liberal pussy" after a point.

Equally can be said about the other side Ant, all blend in and have the same predictable arguments.

Originally Posted by britmaveric

Equally can be said about the other side Ant, all blend in and have the same predictable arguments

at least arguments are offered though brit.

which side does the bulk of the name calling come from?

it's sheer frustration, nothing more.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

it's hard to tell who is calling you a "liberal pussy" after a point.

No identity crisis then, eh?

Arguments are made, however they are thrown out because they are not agreed upon. Then name calling comes in, more from the Anti Gitmo faction, which then starts the pro Gitmo faction.

Simply a pissing match nothing more nothing less. (rather boring)

Originally Posted by britmaveric

Then name calling comes in, more from the Anti Gitmo faction,

wrong again.

^ok i'll say its equal then CMN if it makes you feel better my fine taffy mate.

Originally Posted by britmaveric

Arguments are made, however they are thrown out because they are not agreed upon. Then name calling comes in, more from the Anti Gitmo faction, which then starts the pro Gitmo faction.

Simply a pissing match nothing more nothing less. (rather boring)

That's right.

If you don't follow the party line e.g. all Perps are really the victims, you get labeled a fascist or worse...

Originally Posted by britmaveric

Equally can be said about the other side Ant, all blend in and have the same predictable arguments.

I see that CMN's already made the point that I was going to but I will again so that it's reinforced: at least arguments are offered.

It's one thing to hold a different opinion and proffer a rationale for it, quite another to simply start with childish name-calling. The latter is merely an example of someone having already made up their mind and only listening to things that reinforce it:

'Intelligence is being able to construct a reasoned argument. True intelligence is being able to recognise merit in the arguments of those that hold a different opinion than you'

What it all boils down to is this - if you are unwilling or unable to back-up your opinions with logic and reasoning then you shouldn't be offering them in Issues in the first place. Go start a soap-box thread in the Lounge and simply state/shout out what you want to say instead.

Originally Posted by britmaveric

ok i'll say its equal then CMN if it makes you feel better my fine taffy mate

nearly there.


also, if you don't tell me who you are in the real world and I actually know you, i shall red you every day.
that's gotta scare you.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

You're not a victim of persecution here Tex.

Seems to be the common denominator with the Americans, if you don't agree with them they assume you are ganging up on them and they accuse you of Being anti-American.
It is blatantly obvious that there are inmates from Guantanamo Bay that are being mistreated, stating this is not an attack on all things American. If the Irish Government were guilty of these wrong doings I would have no problems with someone pointing that out for me, Nothing wrong with being proud of where you are from but you don't have to agree with all your government's decisions. You have no power to decide where you are born.

You have the freedom to form your own opinions and be subjective, that may be the only Liberty an American has left these days

Nothing wrong with being proud of where you are from but you don't have to agree with all your government's decisions.

Exactly. I know that it's not uncommon either; friends of mine from Britain, Australia, Ireland, wherever all indulge in criticsing their respective governments. It's almost a national sport in some places.

Some Americans seem to hold the view that it's somehow 'unpatriotic' or 'un-American' to do so. Which is doubly odd when you consider that their entire nation was founded on the principle of questioning authority. The founding fathers would be rolling in their graves.

Exactly Flash - there is plenty of evidence to say that GITMO detainee(s) are treated well to counter arguments that they aren't being treated well.

Fair enough if you take one side or the other - you might not agree with that particular view point, but there is validation to one another's argument. The truth lies somewhere in between.

Originally Posted by britmaveric

there is plenty of evidence to say that GITMO detainee(s)

like the link you provided to say they were getting fat.


it is accepted that at camp x-ray they weren't allowed to stand up and got 5 minutes exercise a day.... bit harsh given their not guilty yet status.

Originally Posted by britmaveric

there is plenty of evidence to say that GITMO detainee(s) are treated well to counter arguments that they aren't being treated well.

Could you show some of the plenty please?

It's jail CMN, not a country club.

Exactly Flash - there is plenty of evidence to say that GITMO detainee(s) are treated well to counter arguments that they aren't being treated well.

What evidence would that be, exactly?

Silly Boon Meesque comments about it being a 5-star hotel?

I haven't seen any evidence of this, I am very interested to learn though.

Originally Posted by flash

Originally Posted by britmaveric

there is plenty of evidence to say that GITMO detainee(s) are treated well to counter arguments that they aren't being treated well.

Could you show some of the plenty please?

Exactly. And it's usually at this point that the inanne comments and name-calling comes out.




(although to be fair that's not to suggest it's what Brit does, don't think I've seen him indulge before)

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