Thread: The British Prime Minister - for as long as there is a Great Britain

First 100 dats?

Keir can't make up his mind which freebies he's allowed but he can decide for his cabitnet

He givs Sue Gray £170k job, which is more than his salary, or not if you add in the freebies which might be where she got the number from. Didn't last long as he's sacked her for his poor judgement

What has the Govt achieved? well. The rumour mill has been wheeling away over Rachel's budget. She's ruled out income tax, VAT and NI changed the financial genius she is. She's exposed a £22Bn black hole the conservatives left but she contributed £9Bn to that. So what can she go after? well the high earners and rich retirees are busy giving away their assets, Non-doms are leaving and the weakthy self mades are moving the domicile abroad. Oh and that stroke of genius on the private school VAT well thats 10,000 extta govt school places Keir the cvnt neds to find in an already stretched system - fukin genius

No foreign policy? Oh yes Idi Amin's long lost love child David Lammy has given away and insignificant archipeligo in the Idian Ocean we've been haning on to which our closest allies the Mercan use as a base. Oh no, its safe we have a 99 year leave. Yep the Chinkies are laughing their tits off as they own Mauritius. So is ther any knock on effect to this idiotic capitulation, nah, of course Spain won't feel emboldened to add Gib as a bargaining chip in Keirs so called EU reset, Arg won't reinvigorate their denands. You honistly could not make this shit up.

Did i mention Ed nasal Miliband, a politician so useless we'd all forgot he existed, no Keir didn't, he's plugged him in to ruin the country's industrial (whats left of it) legacy. The North Sea, nah fuk them they are gone. Almost a delicious irony given the SNP crawling up Labour's arse for over a decade. No support for our remaining refineries. No fuk em, we'll juts by it all from aboard and be held hostage.

Make our own steeel, fuk that, its no net zero. Instead we'll carbon capture and make absolutely no fukin differnec wit the 2 million tonnes we "capture" at a cost of ........£22Bn , does that number sound familier....

How will we pay for all this? No pensions, Rache; has decided that is too dificult and will fuk up our already fukd up investment industry, Ah Pensioners .....yes, lets save £300M in winter fuel allowance at a labour estimate of 4,00 old people carking it.

So does all this look grown up conherent government? who knows, has anyone seen Keir lately after Glasses Gate. Just joking he was in the commons todays rambling on in that drone about Israel, another situation him and his

Well Rachel was also considering re-wording how certain debt instruments are treated but its been pointed out that this could push up Govt borrowing costs, the Treasury you see run the show, does that sound familiar

Tune in later this month for further developments. Keir might have made a decision by then.

Nammers for PM!

Or at least Prone Munster.

Tory leader is down to Badenoch vs Jenrick. Neither have much potential as vote winning material IMO.

I see tugger tugenhardt has corpsed again.

Cleverly is a moron, but his record as an actual human being makes him favourite in my book.

^^ neither will be there for the next GE

And since the tories are forked for at least a decade, who can blame them.

Originally Posted by malmomike77

^^ neither will be there for the next GE

Agreed. They just need to elect a leader for these years in the wasteland and hope that someone with charisma, intelligence and integrity floats to the surface in the years ahead. A Tory PM seems a very remote prospect. Of course, Labour have yet to show that they can do better and so far the signs are not very promising.

Originally Posted by Shutree

Labour have yet to show that they can do better and so far the signs are not very promising.

On the bright side, it is impossible for them to do worse.

it is true that the tories presided over 14 years of disasterous government whereas the kneelers mob only represents 100 days of disasterous government, implying that it is unfair to blame labour for the nation's demise.

however, in reality we have had 27 years of blairite politics. viz. the damaging growth of the welfare state, mass low skill immigration, insufficient housing and infrastructure, the spread of poisonous woke ideology and oppressor/victim culture, the imposition of multiculturalism and diversity without any effort to encourage integration and assimilation.

however, with starmer there seems to be a far more undilluted form of socialistic vendictiveness and a far more vicious form of identity politics than occured in the labour versions of blairism we saw from 1997 to the present.

starmers socialism means that everyone has a job but nobody fucking works, the never ending glorification of "working people" against the demonisation and penalisation of the successful, or in starmer speak "greedy" "elite" entrepreneur class.

fuck socialism. it is a cancer.

Oh and quotes from Starmer please, about what you specifically claim are the words of Keir Starmer describing entrepreneurs as 'greedy'.

You're so full of .

Given away the Chagos and now proposing increasing the UN Security Council by adding members who China can influence, its alost like Kier the Cvnt is working for them Labour as expected doing irepairable damaged to the UKs long term intereest. I'd like to say they are niave but can they be that stupid or are the doing all they can to deliberately damage a country the lefties hate.

Starmer accused of weakening Britain by pushing for UN Security Council reform


Prime Minister looks to double the number of permanent members with representatives from Africa, Brazil and India


Sir Keir Starmer has been accused of diluting Britain’s global influence by proposing to increase the number of permanent members of the UN Security Council.


Lord Hermer, the Attorney General, said Britain would push to reform the council by adding permanent representation from Africa, Brazil, India, Japan and Germany.


That would double the current permanent members, which comprises China, France, Russia, the UK and the US, although it also includes 10 non-permanent members who are elected for two-year terms by the UN General Assembly.


“We will advocate for reform of the Security Council, to ensure that those with seats at the top table truly represent the global community,” he said in a lecture to the Bingham Centre for the Rule of Law.


They mirror similar proposals advocated by James Cleverly when he was foreign secretary and called for reform of the UN Security Council.


The council is the UN body charged with maintaining international peace and security. It has responsibility for determining where UN peacekeeping troops should be deployed.


But Sir Iain Duncan Smith, former Tory leader, said it would be a mistake to widen membership further as it would be seen as a “dramatic weakening” of the UK’s foreign policy following the decision to hand over sovereignty of the Chagos Islands to Mauritius.


He feared it would play into the hands of Russia and China which have forged close relations with some of the proposed new permanent members. China has become India’s and Africa’s biggest trading partner and is increasing investment in Brazil, with financing for oil exploration and repairing railways.


Russia has sought to gain influence across Africa in recent years and has emerged as the security partner of choice for a growing number of African governments. India and Russia have forged a special relationship with increased cooperation across security, defence, trade, science and technology.


Sir Iain said: “China and Russia would be the net beneficiaries as they are hugely allied with the wider list of countries. With the exception of Germany that would be a disaster for the free world. It is utterly naive and dangerous.”


Grant Shapps, the former defence secretary, said: “First they surrendered the Chagos Islands in the British Indian Overseas Territory, and now they want to dilute Britain’s influence at the United Nations.


“When Sir Keir Starmer told us he’d bring change, he failed to mention it would involve shrinking Britain’s global responsibilities.”


Labour hit back at the criticism, pointing out that Mr Cleverly had advocated a similar expansion when he was foreign secretary, with the same countries.


A source close to David Lammy, the Foreign Secretary, said: “That was a government that Grant Shapps served in and he supported that policy. His comments are a bit absurd. They should have raised their objections to UK government policy when they were in government.”


General Kofi Annan, the UN Secretary, set out plans to increase permanent members of the Security Council in a 2005 report, In Larger Freedom. It set out two models. One added six new permanent seats and three two-year term elected seats. The second would create a new category of eight seats, renewable every four years.


However, reform has stalled because of the failure to secure agreement on which and how many countries could be added. Each of the five permanent members currently have a right to veto a resolution, unlike the 10 elected members who serve two-year non-consecutive terms.


Tim Loughton, former Conservative minister, favoured more fundamental reform of what was an “anachronistic” structure where just five members could veto motions that might be critical of one of them.


“Nobody is ever going to agree who the permanent members should be, in which case should we have any permanent members at all,” he said.

Keir Starmer accused of weakening Britain by pushing for UN Security Council reform

what a shit show Keir is making of things

Fourteen years in opposition and Labour have no ideas and what they have implemented has reduced what should have been modest but one of the highest growth rates in the G7 to staglation with interest rates remaining high and job prospects worsening due to the idiotic employers NI rise. Worse is yet to come once that cvnt Milliband and the ginger hypocrite Rayner get their policies up and tanking whats left.

Anyway here is what the traditional Labour heartland of teh Guardian this of things....

Starmer should not be the fall guy for Labour’s failures. This disaster was written by committee

Owen Jones

The PM’s allies on the right are ideologically opposed to any economic agenda that could see off the threat from Reform


Fri 20 Dec 2024 06.00 GMT


Keir Starmer’s team can smell the presence of the political grim reaper. Every Friday, the prime minister’s chief of staff, Morgan McSweeney, runs a 30-minute call for Labour staffers called “forward look”. Among other things, the session runs through the big events of the previous week, as well as what is likely to come up in the days ahead. For a long time, the call extensively featured the latest polling: for example, what voters thought about Labour’s policies, as well as the popularity of the party’s leading lights. But as the figures went from dire to catastrophic, the polling was quietly dropped from the call.


What hasn’t gone awol from the agenda are council byelection results. Since the July general election, Labour has lost 22 seats. Attentive staffers on the call note that the picture is bleaker than the headline figures suggest, because even where Labour has retained seats, the party’s share of the vote is invariably plummeting by a fifth. Nigel Farage’s Reform party is surging, with the Greens posing a growing threat on Labour’s left flank.


After just five months in office, Starmer has the worst net satisfaction of any prime minister – minus 34 – in the history of Ipsos polling, which goes all the way back to the 1970s. He is polling 12 points lower than the doomed Rishi Sunak was at the same point in his tenure. Labour is now polling in the mid-20s, both the Tories and Reform nipping at its heels. There is now a national conversation which seriously entertains the prospect of Farage as prime minister. All this less than half a year after the most calamitous government in British democratic history was routed.


The speech Keir Starmer should give: our economic model is broken – and I’ll pay for my own Arsenal tickets


Why has it gone so hideously wrong? Starmer’s natural allies are in private despair. There is no shortage of explanations being offered. The ousted former chief of staff Sue Gray has been accused of failing to prepare Labour’s top team for government, deferring decisions on policy. Cabinet ministers have ended up doing their own thing, overseeing powerful fiefdoms, over which Starmer seems to have little leverage. The prime minister himself appears to prefer jetting around the world, playing the role of would-be statesman. He has handed all economic responsibility to his chancellor, Rachel Reeves, who has set up her own formidable separate operation at No 11, with Matt Pound – the former national organiser for Labour First, a faction whose speciality is attacking the left – as her political secretary.


Anyone who has ever worked with Starmer arrives at the same diagnosis: he lacks politics. One senior Labour figure told me that when the party lost the Hartlepool byelection in May 2021, the Labour leader had a major crisis of self-confidence. That led him to outsource his political operation to what former Labour MP and Tony Blair adviser Jon Cruddas called “the most rightwing, illiberal faction in the party” – the Labour right. New Labour’s founders were substantial figures: their heirs are often one-dimensional hacks who learned their trade in the grimmest recesses of student politics.


When Starmer’s leadership is officially classified as “in crisis”, a moment which is fast approaching, this faction will not be short of excuses. They will blame Starmer for not being a “true believer”, and argue for a Blairite tub-thumper, such as the health secretary, Wes Streeting, instead. Ask them why their prince over the water nearly lost his seat to 23-year-old British-Palestinian prodigy Leanne Mohamad in July’s general election, and be met with an expression screaming “does not compute”. Only political pressure from the right is deemed legitimate.


But Starmer should not be their fall guy. Here is the basic truth: the Labour right ran out of ideas long ago. For the permanently crisis-stricken Britain that emerged after the 2008 financial crisis, they have no solutions. This is why Corbynism emerged in the first place. They then had years in political exile to come up with something, anything – a concrete vision for a Britain long defined by low growth, stagnating living standards and poor productivity. But they didn’t. And when they were gift-wrapped an election victory by a Tory party that had dived into the abyss, they marched into power and quickly defined themselves by kicking pensioners and taking freebies from rich donors.


The only ministers with actual ideas belong to the so-called “soft left”. One was Louise Haigh, departed transport secretary, after a long-dormant saga involving missing work phones from a decade ago was conveniently resurrected, leading to her resignation. From her “bus revolution” to public ownership of rail – expect the latter to be diluted – Haigh at least had verve. Then there’s Ed Miliband, the energy secretary, who is despised by Starmer’s Blairite cabal, with Streeting launching pointed attacks on his colleague. We will see how long he survives.


Disillusionment in Britain is fed by a broken economic model: crumbling public services, creaking infrastructure and the failure to grow disposable incomes, which are set to fall under this government. Faragism offers an answer: it’s immigrants’ fault! A coherent economic agenda that speaks to the country’s woes could offer an alternative to the threat from Reform. But Starmer’s allies are ideologically opposed to this, so instead they seem determined to compete with the populist right on migrant-bashing. Centre-right and centre-left parties have tried this approach in Europe and – spoiler! – it only succeeded in boosting the insurgent right, by pushing political conversation on to exactly the terrain in which they prosper.


Our intellectually bankrupt rulers risk delivering Britain into the hands of hard-right demagoguery. It falls, then, to the left to channel disillusionment into a more constructive direction. So far, the response is lacking. The Green party surged in July, but has failed to pick headline-grabbing fights, or build momentum in the dozens of seats in which it secured second place in July. The seven Labour MPs suspended for opposing the poverty-generating two-child benefit cap have not accepted they have no future in the party, and haven’t redirected their energy elsewhere. If Jeremy Corbyn and his four fellow independent MPs set up a new party, it will need to strike an arrangement with the Greens. Whatever happens, the left needs to present a clear coherent vision, and fight to set the political agenda in the face of hostile media. If that fails, then start the countdown clock to a grinning Farage in front of the No 10 lectern.


Owen Jones is a Guardian columnist

Starmer should not be the fall guy for Labour’s failures. This disaster was written by committee | Owen Jones | The Guardian

Liaison committee grilling turns PM into Starmer-flavoured stock.


Even the Prime Minister’s own MPs stuck the knife in as he faced one of his worst nightmares – being made to answer loads of questions

Madeline Grant
PARLIAMENTARY SKETCHWRITER
19 December 2024 6:53pm GMT

Sir Keir Starmer acted like a totally normal, non-psychopathic person as he appeared before MPs on Thursday Credit: AFP

What is Keir Starmer’s idea of a nightmare before Christmas? A by-election? Getting stuck in a lift with a farmer, a pensioner and a Chagossian? Quite near the top of the list for our scrutiny-phobic squealer-in-chief is probably being made to answer loads of questions.

In a rare taste of the medicine he’s inflicting on the country, Sir Keir’s nightmares became a reality with a grilling by the Liaison Committee. Dame Meg Hillier began proceedings by asking the £22 billion question: when would people actually see all this economic growth that he’d promised? Cue squirming and a squeal about his “plan for change”.

Hillier concluded her questioning by asking if the PM had any regrets about how his first months in office had gone. Like a totally normal, non-psychopathic person, he just answered “no”.

Liam Byrne gave the “plan for change” – fast becoming the PM’s albatross – a further roasting. How was he so sure he could beat literally every forecast and deliver the best growth in the G7? The plan for change would turn targets into “milestones”, apparently. Imagine if you got that as a riddle in your Christmas cracker. You’d think someone had spiked the bread sauce with LSD.

Tellingly, both Byrne and Hillier are from Sir Keir’s own party. Clearly, Labour committee heads weren’t going to go soft on the PM. Toby Perkins put him in hot water about brownfield sites. Florence Eshalomi grilled him about why on earth he expected local councils to report to him on their targets when he refused to report on his. The PM – or whoever it is that programmes him – turned on the voice he uses to patronise women and proceeded to explain the concept of targets to her by way of an answer.

As if to compound this, Emily Thornberry had to remind him to include women on his list of things he wanted to protect under the new regime in Syria.

The biggest exception to this fast-emerging rule, and runaway winner of “suck-up of the week”, was the oleaginous Tanmanjeet Singh Dhesi, chairman of the defence select committee. He began by thanking the PM for “his service to the nation” as if he were a bomb disposal dog, or a Chindit or one of those people who delivered soup during the Captain Tom times.

Dhesi’s question was scarcely audible; by this point, he was so far up Oinky’s bottom that he could see Hamish Falconer’s feet.

Labour did a pretty good job of filleting the PM but they were veritable chefs de partie compared to Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee chairman Alistair Carmichael. The Lib Dem fixed Oinky with a look of pure contempt and began, in his sonorous Scottish bass-baritone, “in the long run we’re all dead” – the PM looked as if he wished he were – “so I’d like to talk about inheritance tax”.

It was like watching someone make a Starmer-flavoured stock, every question reducing the PM further down to the little man he actually is: “Who were the targets of these changes?”, “Was the Prime Minister happy with the super-rich continuing to shield money in land?”, “Would he encourage the Chancellor to meet with the farming unions?” Each one met a wobble of the cheeks, a stammer and a lie.

Finally, as Sir Keir tried to crack a joke about managing Rachel Reeves’s diary, Mr Carmichael caught him absolutely in his sights and reminded him, with a grimace, that a lot of people didn’t find this funny.

Reduced down to his protoplasmic jelly, Sir Keir stopped smiling.

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starmer the harmer, aka two tier kier, is extremely conceited and robotically detached from reality, he is adrift in a sea of his own incompetence and arrogance. he is a total hypocrite and is a national embarrasment, and certainly the worst, most damaging prime minister in my lifetime by a country mile, given that other contenders for the title at least had the decency to resign when it became clear, at least to those around them, that they were totally usuited to the job. i dont think he will last much longer, but his replacement will be even worse, a hard left union lackey or that ugly smug gobshite, no-brainer raynor.

hopefully their typical socialist spitefulness, their lies and their blinding hypocrisy will be thrust into the spotlight by the machinations of trump and musk, the public will realise what a mistake it was to put them in power and farage, or possibly even badenoch, or maybe both of them, will right the ship and consign socialism to the grave once and for all.

Originally Posted by taxexile

starmer the harmer, aka two tier kier

How utterly lame.

And the rest is just pitiful guff with no substance.

Labour will be remembered for their first policy of freezing the pensioners.

^ I don't think they froze them

Originally Posted by cyrille

How utterly lame.

Yep that's what we have for PM

Lets have a look at the first 6 months



A quick 6 month stock take


Employer NI rise which has killed off what should have been an economic recovery.


NI rise will cost jobs and further kill off the high street, inflation is rising and interest rates will stay higher for longer.


Did I mention we have our first female chancellor, who I had high hopes for but who it turns out has serially lied about her career history and seems to be spectacularly uninformed about the impact her budget will have on UK business at time when it was starting to look like it might see some recovery.


Chagos Islands fuk up – effectively handing them to the Chinese.


Starmer and Reeves getting into bed with China at time when their threat alongside their pact with Russia has never been greater, now the revelation of the Chinky Spy and the media outcry, Chinas response is a barrage of threats and what to heave from our anonymous “Leader”- nothing, sweet fuk all.


Inheritance tax on farms will hurt British Family farming – large company farms unaffected – at a time when the UK is struggling to get young people involved in the industry.


Milliband being allowed to run around with his Net Zero pipe dreams and carbon capture nuttery which will make no impression on global climate problems but will just push the problem on to the consumer in the form of higher costs and ensure the \UK is tied to buying electricity from continental Europe.


Labour approves one of the UK largest solar farms only for tesco to buy almost two-thirds of the energy generated by the Cleve Hill solar park in Kent – it was supposed to meet consumer needs.


No decisions yet on Small Modular Reactors which would provide a steady reliable source of power to fill the gap until we have get a proper reliable power portfolion up and running. Rolls Royce have still not received the green light and foreign companies particulalrly US companies are getting approvals and thus will gain business and market share where the \UK could have led.


Starmer has actively allowed the Unions in the door to set employment policy alongside Rayners rules and Reeves increase to the minimum wage ensuring small businesses are going to close at a faster rate than we've seen since the pandemic.


Starmer has handed out above inflation wage rises to the public sector without any conditions around efficiency increasing the publish expense “Black hole” but conveniently forgets this when him or that ridiculous woman Reeves trot out the supposed £22Bn black hole they inherited.


Starmer is Nationalising Rail which is a good thing, but at the same time the rail unions who received above inflation rises are now planning general strikes starting in the new year – no conditions attached to reform of their outdated working practice that means they only have to work weekdays.


Starmer frequently derided the Tories for increasing the House of Lords numbers and said they should be reduced but here we are with another 30 Labours blood suckers added including that fukin witch Sue Gray.


City Minister Tulip Siddiq - whose job role sees her responsible for clamping out corruption in Britain's financial sector - is being investigated for embezzlement in her native Bangladesh.


Labour piety exposed as nothing but sound bite rubbish when most of the leadership have been taking freebie clothes and holidays.


Axing of the winter fuel allowance which independent estimates suggest could lead to up to 4,000 early deaths in old people


Keir the cvnt has spent most of his time globe trotting in jets, presumably to avoid answering questions as to how he's made such a fuk up of the first 6 months when his party has had over a decade to put together cogent plans.


The water industry which should never have been privatised and has not invested a single penny in the UK is being allowed to continue to operate and scam the public but this Govt has effectively handed then a free pass on their appalling record and instead is allowing them to increase bills instead of taking the fukers to the cleaners for polluting our waterways and running up unsustainable debt, all the while paying themselves as much in dividends as they are geared.


The UK power generation headroom is one of the lowest of the developed countries, past Govts had lallowed this situation to grow and leave the UK and customers at the mercy of global fossil fuel price spikes. Ed Millibands answer to this under his Net Zero crusade is to increase unreliable renewables such as Wind and Solar whilst relying on harebrained “Giant Flywheel” schemes to store excess power.


Labour is effectively closing the North Sea but fails to mention that we cannot do without some fossil fuels so instead of the energy and jobs remaining in the UK their big idea is to import it all.


Labour Councils so completely useless at managing their own funding e,g Birmingham, Liverpool etc are instead being held up as the model way forward with greater devolution of power to City/Regional mayors – god helps us if the Panda Faced Paki is the role model for what's to come.


Peter Mandelson appointed UK ambassador to the US, unbelievable – Trump et al will give the shady mincer a stiff ignoring.


The problem of working age people claiming benefits instead of working – we find out that now 2/3rds of the UK population are net claimants. Now this is a problem that got worse under the last Govt where people are unbelievably able to use mental health and all manager of excuses to avoid work and instead live a life on the taxpayer. What is Labour doing, its conducting a review.......in the meantime if you want to sign on just google and find all manner of Ytoob vids to tell you how.


What we have had is firstly Labours 6 milestones, 5 missions, 3 foundations
for the UK which morphed into Starmers televised 5 point plan which I watched. It was so banal I cannot recall anything of note yet its our Leaders main strategy for this parliament.


So to sum up, No coherent policies of note, very little evidence of them being any better that the previous Govts and we have a completely anonymous leader who everyone ignores.


I was really hoping for change for the better and long term national strategies but we have not seen anything apart from appeasing the unions and killing what's left of business, all the while expecting the ever dwindling numbers of net taxpayers for foot labours ever growing Govt expenditure bill.

Originally Posted by cyrille

How utterly lame.

And the rest is just pitiful guff with no substance.

tell us what you admire and like about the pm then cyrille.

Ciz is out of his depth and detached from reality in this thread.

Originally Posted by Joe 90

Ciz is out of his depth and detached from reality in this thread.

No it's just he got his degree paid for and thereafter never paid a sov back. He'll claim his govt pension too the cvnt.