Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Originally Posted by NigelFarage

From the triggering of Article 50 the UK should have insisted that the new trade deal be negotiated alongside the withdrawal deal, or the time instead be spent preparing for a no deal, and left the ball in the EU's court on that decision. In insisting on the trade deal being left until after the withdrawal was agreed, it was obvious that the EU wanted maximum leverage for a second referendum.

The EU told May early on to forget the trade deal until everything else is resolved, and she nodded ok. That assumes she didn't propose this part of her cunning plan to sabotage Brexit.

Originally Posted by fufu

If you refuse to answer it means...

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

You will find it harder to watch from your offices this weekend, Paps because Macron has called the army in to protect you...

Yep, France still has an army, soon it will have a Yerman controlled army protecting its leaders from the rabble.

Looking forward, eh, Pap?

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Hmm, according to your own words such a statement means you don't support people taking charge of democratic processes.

Originally Posted by Troy

The passport isn't checked at all when leaving the UK.

Mine was.

New rules to check the details of all travelers leaving the UK were brought in under the Immigration Act 2014

Data on all passengers leaving the UK is being collected and handed to the Home Office under a scheme being phased in at ports and border crossings.
Transport staff are recording details of all travellers leaving by commercial air, sea and rail transport.
The exit checks were set to particularly affect cross-channel ferry and Channel Tunnel travellers.
The government said they were needed to combat illegal immigration and would cause the "least possible disruption".
Initial reports suggested the new system had started without any major problems, with no delays at the Eurotunnel terminal in Folkestone or P&O Ferries' terminal in Dover.
For the first month all passports will be scanned but only 25% of the passport holders will have their details verified to ensure they are genuine, in a bid to minimise disruption.
After a month, there will be a move to 50% verification and by the middle of June 100% verification will be introduced.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32205970

Originally Posted by Switch

Germans (EU) can't invade anyone because they don't have an army and no experience of war fighting. Another reason why they want the UK to stay in.
That and our seat at the UN. Thats's what Merkel told Macron anyway. lol

They soon will have...the rest of Europe insists!

Originally Posted by NigelFarage

Speaker John Bercow says the government motion complies with his ruling that the PM's Brexit deal could not be brought back to the Commons for a third time without "substantial" changes.
He tells MPs: "In short, the motion is new, substantially different and in conformity with my ruling of 18 March."

Looks like Frau has ordered May to go down on him.

Originally Posted by Troy

My comment was with reference to the Meaningful Vote. That should have been quite obvious to all following this thread. To change one's mind based on May's resignation rather than what's best for the country is worrisome.

I agree with the last bit against supporting the Merkel-May Surrender Treaty just to get rid of her.

But you still haven't explained, what is a 'meaningful vote' if not a slap in the face of everyone who voted Brexit?

^^You have to excuse simple Sybil as he's not the brightest and doesn't venture out the classroom too much.

Originally Posted by Troy

^ You mention something that has always puzzled me. Why is it that my third national wife always has her passport stamped on entry but never on exit. How does the UK maintain control of its borders if it doesn't know when someone leaves the country? It pisses me off when I do the visa forms because I need the ferry/plane ticket to show exit as it's not in the passport. Even a third world nation like Thailand has better control...

Have you ever been to the US? Were you stamped out?

Originally Posted by NigelFarage

You lack awareness that Singapore has the third highest PPP GDP per capita in the world and the second highest human development level in Asia.

Nice try, but there's absolutely nothing in my post that suggests I 'lack awareness' of Singapore's GDP...quite the opposite.

And as for the HDI, those places are adjusted for inequality and Singapore has plenty of that. BTW Nige..I used to live there, so my experience isn't just gained vicariously from those double breasted websites you seem to love.

Anyway, you've all been interrupting jabir's morning bowel movement which seems a bit thoughtless.

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

Troy, what are votes in elections then? bit of a silly statement. There will always be a contingent disaffected by voting, it doesn't matter if its a referendum or an election. The difference with this referendum is we have had two years of those on the losing side trying to frustrate the result, not accept it and tell those who voted leave that they did not know what they voted for and furthermore they are a bunch of racists. That attitude follows through to this forum where wankers like the Gent and Bob are constantly telling us they know what is good for us, they are no better than the parliament full of self serving politicians who feel likewise - well we lived in a democracy, as far as i am concerned i am still entitled to my opinion - its more or less a pointless shitflinging thread imho.

There are major differences between a referendum and a GE and it is quite absurd to think they are in any way similar. However, to turn the tables, if it's possible to remove a sitting MP, and have a by-election, why not allow a referendum result be reaffirmed by a second vote?

Originally Posted by jabir

Have you ever been to the US? Were you stamped out?

Yes I have and yes I was.

Originally Posted by jabir

I agree with the last bit against supporting the Merkel-May Surrender Treaty just to get rid of her.

But you still haven't explained, what is a 'meaningful vote' if not a slap in the face of everyone who voted Brexit?

The meaningful vote was the bit tacked on to the EU Withdrawal Act in order to get it through Parliament. It's a defence mechanism, rather than a slap in the face, to ensure the Government doesn't do something silly, like leave the EU without a plan on what to do next.

Originally Posted by jabir

Yep, France still has an army, soon it will have a Yerman controlled army protecting its leaders from the rabble.

Looking forward, eh, Pap?

Stop jabbering complete bollox.

Originally Posted by Troy

There are major differences between a referendum and a GE and it is quite absurd to think they are in any way similar. However, to turn the tables, if it's possible to remove a sitting MP, and have a by-election, why not allow a referendum result be reaffirmed by a second vote?

The 1975 referendum had the chance to be reaffirmed in 2016 and it was rejected now people have seen what 40 years of membership has done.

Originally Posted by Troy

There are major differences between a referendum and a GE and it is quite absurd to think they are in any way similar.

Considering you posted that a referendum is merely a snapshot of public opinion, how absurd would it be to suggest the similarity, which you say is absurd, that a GE is also a snapshot of public opinion?

Originally Posted by Troy

Yes I have and yes I was.

Perhaps they didn't like you, I wasn't.

Originally Posted by Troy

Stop jabbering complete bollox.

Which is the bollox, that France has an army, that soon it will have an army under Yerman control, or that Pap is looking forward to that?

Originally Posted by NigelFarage

You appear to dislike that Singapore hasn't developed a socialist welfare state and again you are focusing on the bottom in society hence my question which was not a silly cheap shot but a perfectly reasonable one given the claims you are making.

I'm merely pointing out that successful capitalism relies on a steady flow of people who need to work hard for rewards that are meagre. You appear to think that it's about someone having a good idea and this results in a land of milk and honey. I am talking about reality for the whole of society, not 'focussing on the bottom'.

You're living in cloud cuckoo land, but then your username makes that clear.

^^Well you're making a lot of assumptions there, Nige.

Not sure why you're so keen to get personal.

One might almost think you were a returning poster with a grudge yourself.

Better to leave places that cannot be compared out of things and stick to your laudable aims of a UK with free trade.

I must admit, it would be great if there were a trading block which made this possible with the country's neighbours.

Oh wait...

Originally Posted by NigelFarage

Your final point would be correct if I'd claimed that the vast majority of Singaporeans have a low standard of living.

I like the idea of the UK promoting free trade and low taxes. You've got off on an entirely different tangent and I can only assume that it's because you were unsuccessful in Singapore and are bitter about the way things work in its society.

I'm sure that's not why serial Brit losers hate Britain.

Originally Posted by NigelFarage

You made it personal by implying that you have first hand experience of working hard in Singapore for meagre rewards and a low standard of living and you think that's also the situation for the vast majority of Singaporeans.

Well that's an 'unusual' take.

I mentioned that I worked there, so that's justification for all manner of snide comments about my circumstances?

I made no implication at all about my circumstances, you're just looking to justify your cheap shots.

It's telling that you think one would have to be poor just to be aware that the poor exist.

I guess you must be another of TDs countless huge success stories.

Good for you.

Maybe you should start your own vanity thread? They're quite the thing here.