Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Originally Posted by cyrille

I thought you'd struggle to find a more clueless piece than your last contribution, but Bravo!

Anyone who maintains 'leave' would win by a larger margin now that people know what they're voting for is talking out of their arse.

She is a pikey

Originally Posted by Switch

Why do you insist that an unknown, such as hard Brexit would automatically be bad news for industry. According to seeking ass, the country doesn’t have any.
We are no longer a part of the industrial revolution. The truth is UK industry is high tech and very specialized, producing sophisticated products that others simply don’t have tha ability to manufacture successfully. They are inherently adaptable intelligent people who would cope with any change they are presented with. The country has moved on. No wonder everyone thinks it’s shit based on negative intransigents such as yourself.

Are you being deliberately obtuse as I can't believe you have lost the thread completely after a day or two. Industry includes the Service industry in this context as you should be well aware and there is no back-up for the loss of passporting rights...and I don't mean the new blue-covered ones here.

It isn't just me that thinks negatively of a Hard Brexit, even Gove has come to realise it is the UKs worst nightmare. I haven't see any credible report concluding anything but bad news under a Hard Brexit and I would expect detailed analysis showing at least a 20% gain before I'd go anywhere near it.

Originally Posted by jabir

What you don't understand and the Belgian, asylumguy, squirrel and his apprentice fubar do, is that Frau has gone off the rails and configured her lesser gods to deter others that dare to glance at the exit. As good Socialists it is a trivial sacrifice for their own people and businesses to be hurt in their struggle to create the perfect society; this is collateral damage for the common good.

Anyone that learns anything about history, and especially in the past century, knows that Socialism has been tried many times around the world, and never worked. All it has produced is destruction of wealth, freedom and democracy, massive loss of life, and any reasonable person can see it is the perfect recipe for collective suicide. And the EU gods want more!

I read this with amazement the other day but didn't have time to respond to such a weird and irrelevant remark on the question of Brexit.

Firstly, the EU doesn't practice 100% socialism and no country is a purely socialist state. They are hybrid Capitalist/Socialist states of varying degrees and have become very successful because of the sophisticated way in which they have adapted the best of both worlds. Neither are able to provide a perpetual civilisation but they go a long way towards providing long-lasting stability. It has developed into a society that is far superior to the ones before although one can pick holes in all practical implementations of social democracy.

Secondly, one can find examples of death and destruction in all societies and in the Human Species itself. Does that mean that they are all failures, not to be continued because of their faults? If so I'm sure you can find your own rope and the nearest tree will do...I think I'll live with the faults thank-you.

Life is a compromise. All the things around you are a compromise.

I'm sure the pure mathematicians are right 100% of the time but the one who applies the theory is the one that has to make things work and I've had to change a few of those laws on more than one occasion.

they are no way a socialist organisation. They are Corporatist 100%.

Theresa May sets January date for MPs' Brexit vote

MPs will vote on the UK's Brexit deal in the week beginning 14 January, Theresa May has told Parliament.


The vote was due to be held last week but was put on hold after Theresa May admitted she was set to lose. Announcing a new date, Mrs May said the EU had made it clear the Irish backstop was "not a plot to trap the UK" and urged MPs to see Brexit through. Labour had threatened to force a confidence vote in the PM if she did not set a date for the vote. While stopping short of seeking to oust Mrs May, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said she had "led the country into a national crisis" and she no longer had cabinet backing.


He said a month would have been wasted since the original 11 December vote was postponed, with "not a single word renegotiated and not a single reassurance given". "The deal is unchanged and is not going to change," he said. "The House must get on with the vote and move on to consider the realistic alternatives."


Labour said they threatened the confidence vote before they saw an advance copy of the PM's speech and they believed she backed down in the face of their challenge.


The UK is due to leave the EU on 29 March 2019 - the deal sets out the terms of exit and includes a declaration on the outline of the future relations between the UK and the EU. But it only comes into force if the UK and European parliaments approve it. In a Commons statement, Mrs May said MPs would resume the debate on her Brexit deal - which was halted last week - in the week of 7 January with the "meaningful" vote taking place in the following week.


"It is now only just over 14 weeks until the UK leaves the EU and I know many members of this House are concerned that we need to take a decision soon," she said.


She said she had won fresh guarantees at last week's EU summit over measures to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland and hoped to secure additional "political and legal assurances" in the coming weeks.


Earlier on Monday, an EU spokesman said it had provided the "clarifications" requested on the contentious issue of the Northern Ireland border backstop and "no further meetings were foreseen".
During her statement, Mrs May faced calls from across the House for the vote to be held immediately.


The SNP's Ian Blackford said the government was a "laughing stock" and Parliament needed to "take control of the situation and find a solution".


Former education secretary Justine Greening said Mrs May had led the UK down a "political cul-de-sac" and suggested criticising alternatives to her deal was "pointless" given the level of opposition to it among MPs.
"She now isn't just not listening, she is not allowing debate," she said.

Former cabinet ministers Dominic Raab and Esther McVey urged the PM to accelerate planning for a no deal exit while another, Andrew Mitchell, urged her to consider suspending the Brexit process to allow for further negotiations.

(I'll put the link at the end of the post as it keeps screwing up test after insertion)

There is no reason to delay until 14 January and doing so only gives a week before A50 has to be agreed. This is totally unreasonably and more reason why Labour should have gone for the No Confidence vote on Dec 11. That was the strongest moment for them to do the deed and Corbyn has shown himself to be unfit for leadership in not ding so. Only the weakest of the weak would back down at such an opportune moment.

One can only hope that MPs stick to their principles and vote against the May agreement and force a cross party solution to be put in place. One hopes that this will include an amendment that removes the Hard Brexit option (an amendment that has already been drafted and ready...)

Burn Farage

Ditch the Witch

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46586673

Ay up! Another twist to the tale as Corbyn goes for the no confidence vote, not on the Government, but on PM May.

Should have been on the Government as it is more meaningful and would take priority. Labour are being just as half-hearted as everyone else. I guess it's par for the course after the split in the referendum.

This shambles is what happens when you give MPs a job they don't want to do.
Shows how much of a flying fvck they give about their electorate and democracy.
UKIP need to get back on the campaign trail...

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

This shambles is what happens when you give MPs a job they don't want to do.
Shows how much of a flying fvck they give about their electorate and democracy.
UKIP need to get back on the campaign trail...

A terminally unelectable party of societies D students.

Originally Posted by Troy

Are you being deliberately obtuse as I can't believe you have lost the thread completely after a day or two. Industry includes the Service industry in this context as you should be well aware and there is no back-up for the loss of passporting rights...and I don't mean the new blue-covered ones here.

It isn't just me that thinks negatively of a Hard Brexit, even Gove has come to realise it is the UKs worst nightmare. I haven't see any credible report concluding anything but bad news under a Hard Brexit and I would expect detailed analysis showing at least a 20% gain before I'd go anywhere near it.

The service industry is a separate issue entirely. It is successful because of the specialist nature of the finance industry and the focal point of London markets being trusted due to unique regulation. The UK also encourages ultra modern and competitive online industries to flourish. Those issues are unlikely to change much, despite the EU bitterness and jealousy over their success.

As for passporting rights, it is yet another non issue. Equivalence and pragmatism will prevail. The fact that UK dominates financial services has little to do with the EU regulatory system, and more to do with having the products and expertise required by businesses in need of trusted services. Why leave you home and your business when you can do what US companies currently do, and operate under license in an EU country?

As for industry proper, it has developed away from a handful of mega industries based on coal and steel, to thousands of much smaller specialist groups, introducing highly sophisticated future proof products for a demanding market world wide. The fact that growth is balked by EU regulation and protectionism seems to be lost on you.

Neither of these specialized niche industries will be hampered by leaving the EU. Quite the opposite.

Michael Gove has become a snake in the grass, hoping to capitalise on May’s eventual demise from a position of power within her wobbly cabinet. I’m certain that his colleagues see him for what he is, a Johnny come lately turncoat, hoping to ride to victory on the tails of someone else’s failure. Zero credibility with his peers and unloved by the electorate, he will fail.

The UK needs statesmanship and there are no candidates in sight anywhere in government or in opposition. I sincerely hope that the likes of Farage and UKIP do not succeed in filling that void. All they bring to the table is divisiveness, at a time when the country and the government are already bitterly divided.

The opportunity to salvage this mess is there for the taking, all it needs is leadership, that is sadly lacking. Incidentally, my position on the issue has not changed at all. I want the UK out, because however you brand the political direction of Europe, it is not the future I want for purely democratic reasons. Countries and individuals need certain freedoms and opportunities to develop in a rapidly changing political and economic environment. The strangle hold of EU diktat does not allow that.

and now for the next act of self destruction

Brexit: Jeremy Corbyn tables Theresa May no-confidence motion
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46599895

Jeremy Corbyn has tabled a motion of no confidence in Theresa May, after she said MPs would not vote on her Brexit deal until the week of 14 January.

The PM had delayed the vote from last week, admitting she was set to lose.

Labour leader Mr Corbyn said on Monday it was unacceptable for MPs to wait a month to vote, adding the PM had led the UK into a "national crisis".

But No 10 sources told the BBC the government would not make time for the no-confidence vote.

Ministers would not "go along with silly political games", they added.

Jeremy Corbyn seems to be a deviant little fooker, would you trust that guy for parking your car?

The irony is Corbyn wants Brexit more than Doris. As his vision of the UK being a socialist utopia most of what he wants to do would be illegal under EU rules. I can actually see both the Tories and the Labour party splitting.

You need a Trump or a Macron to end this circus,

Trump id agree with but what has Macron achieved? Having to back track on everything.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

The irony is Corbyn wants Brexit more than Doris. As his vision of the UK being a socialist utopia most of what he wants to do would be illegal under EU rules. I can actually see both the Tories and the Labour party splitting.

If his vision for a socialist utopia would be illegal under the Socialist Project's rules, man that's scary!

Too true, the Tories have already consigned themselves to the electoral bin, while Labour's only hope is to replace Corbyn for a shot at actually being elected; if they do that while the Tories are shooting at each other, it'll be a walkover.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

You need a Trump or a Macron to end this circus,

Did he say Macron?

My bit coins still on BREXIT redeux referendum.

Originally Posted by jabir

If his vision for a socialist utopia would be illegal under the Socialist Project's rules, man that's scary!

Too true, the Tories have already consigned themselves to the electoral bin, while Labour's only hope is to replace Corbyn for a shot at actually being elected; if they do that while the Tories are shooting at each other, it'll be a walkover.

It's all to do with EU rules regarding state aid which would fuck Corbyn trying to make the UK like Venezuela hence he's a Brexiteer.

Corbyn is of course an idiot, a grotesquely stunted ideologue preserved in frozen adolescence whose entire existence has been one of gesture protests and pandering to Central American fringe socialism in order to get his end away. His antipathy towards the EU was founded on the daft misconception that the state was not permitted to exercise central control of whichever services or industries it fancied. This is of course wrong, the state can derogate from EU policies on economic intervention provided it is in the national interest and not to do so would be harmful, that it concerns national security or the intervention is essentially domestic and does not support an activity which undermines the competitiveness of businesses elsewhere in the EU. I rather think the EU have since educated Corbyn that he can do what the fuck he likes within reason, as long as it does not have an EU dimension.

Still, he is an old cvunt and has little else to which he might cling except habit so who knows if he will see the light and convince the northern low end scum to vote remain in the next referendum.

If only we had Starmer, Cooper, Hilary Benn in the driving seat instead fo these Momentum turds then May and her rabble would be fucked.

Fucking tragedy, really.

You know, ever since 2008 just about everything that could go wrong has gone wrong.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Corbyn is of course an idiot, a grotesquely stunted ideologue preserved in frozen adolescence whose entire existence has been one of gesture protests and pandering to Central American fringe socialism in order to get his end away. His antipathy towards the EU was founded on the daft misconception that the state was not permitted to exercise central control of whichever services or industries it fancied. This is of course wrong, the state can derogate from EU policies on economic intervention provided it is in the national interest and not to do so would be harmful, that it concerns national security or the intervention is essentially domestic and does not support an activity which undermines the competitiveness of businesses elsewhere in the EU. I rather think the EU have since educated Corbyn that he can do what the fuck he likes within reason, as long as it does not have an EU dimension.

Still, he is an old cvunt and has little else to which he might cling except habit so who knows if he will see the light and convince the northern low end scum to vote remain in the next referendum.

If only we had Starmer, Cooper, Hilary Benn in the driving seat instead fo these Momentum turds then May and her rabble would be fucked.

Fucking tragedy, really.

You know, ever since 2008 just about everything that could go wrong has gone wrong.

That includes having a belt fed motormouth, retired civil servant, repeating himself ad nauseam.

Originally Posted by Norton

My bit coins still on BREXIT redeux referendum.

Looking more like it each time she says no way. Hope they get the wording right, otherwise Brits might be miffed.

and now to make things go even more crazy, I present you the grand finale

Brexit: Cabinet considering ramping up no-deal plans
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46600850

The cabinet is discussing whether to ramp up preparations for a no-deal Brexit amid uncertainty over the fate of Theresa May's proposed EU exit deal.

Ministers will set out how much money each department is being given to prepare, should the UK leave the EU on 29 March without a formal agreement.

MPs will not vote on the PM's deal until the third week in January.

Labour, which has tabled a motion of no confidence in the PM, has accused Mrs May of trying to "run down the clock".

Number 10 dismissed the motion - which is unlikely to be debated until early next year - as "silly political games".

Need more money, better warn Greece, Italy and the other dodgy members to tighten their belt, and perhaps an across the board diesel tax hike but not for France.

^ The diesel con is isolated to the UK thank goodness.