Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

^ Sausages, I cannot understand why you get so agitated over a country you don't live in, honestly its going to do you an ism.

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

Hearing noises about the Irish vetoing the WA, i do hope someone does.

Yes it's going suspiciously well with just a few days to go, Ireland would be on the shortlist of likely candidates, and Merkel's pants must be itching to jumble it up a bit which would also help to divert attention from internal rumblings.

Still, if she doesn't sabotage this the old dear has another 11 months to play dirtball.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Talking out of your arse again, eh PAG. Why oh why are you people so ignorant and wrong?
What is it that makes Brexiteers so terminally dumb??

I worked and moved around France, Belgium and Holland in 1973 without restriction, you ignorant mofo, as indeed could any member of the EEC. Freedom of movement was enshrined in the agreement for Brits since 1.1.73.

The point that you miss in relation to the EU citizens is that after being led to believe that the UK was their home they now have to apply for settled status and in future if they wish to bring relatives or get married to a citizen from their own cultural background they'll have to apply for a visa for them like some coon. And if they do not apply for settled status, like some Jew having to get a yellow star to wear like a badge, they'll get deported. And if they wish to work, travel or rent a home in the future they will have to prove it by reference to their digital yellow star sewn into their coat. And if the HO database for the lepers breaks down as it routinely does because the Tory nazis don't invest in their racist policies then it will be verboten for the EU Juden to qualify for being a member of the Englander master race.

You people are so stupid you could'nt hear a fucking goose-stepping army if it was under your nazi nose.

Don't forget we're leaving the Socialist Project, and once the microprint is sorted your laws and unworkable principles of unfettered movement no longer apply in the UK. The way I see it, part of controlling your own borders includes the absolute right to determine who enters, stays, works and lives there. Have you ever been to Thailand?

Of course once things settle it'll be open season and immigration will hardly be affected, that's the Brit way, but on the books there's no reason for EU citizens in the UK to have more rights than Brit citizens in the EU, who one might guess will also be required to validate their stay.

But carry on griping that EU citizens are being persecuted for having to fill in a couple of forms.

Originally Posted by helge

No,sir
Maybe inside the BENELUX

Regulation 1612/68 states otherwise and gave unified form to earlier directives.

Indeed, I as a British national benefited from it when the UK acceded on 1.1.73. Perhaps your ignorance might be assisted by reference to the popular British TV programme that began in 1983 featuring a group of blue collar workers working away from their homes in the UK for a life in Germany, Auf Wiedersehn Pet.

I think the problem with debating Brexit matters on this board arises from the undisputed fact many here simply do not have the intellectual ability to read properly and comprehend the significance of the subject matter that apparently eludes them.

Putting it another way, they are mostly thick as shit.

Originally Posted by jabir

Of course once things settle it'll be open season and immigration will hardly be affected, that's the Brit way, but on the books there's no reason for EU citizens in the UK to have more rights than Brit citizens in the EU, who one might guess will also be required to validate their stay.

No, there is no reason why Brit citizens in EU should get more rights than the limited rights the Brit government has given to EU citizens in Britain.
Tit for tat..

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

A Guardian writer, typical of the loony 'liberal' left, wouldn't be friends with people who hold different 'values' - what a wanker, and this is why these people are the problem. They only accept a world where all their viewpoints have to finally be accepted by others. Total wankers...



Now, if you're somebody that only reads from these 'writers' then you're gonna be pretty limited in your knowledge and thought processes (as we've seen on this thread...) .

Ian Dale is a skewed polemicist who clearly delights in distortion as a means of communication and is as reliable an observer as a one-eyed gerbil in hibernation. Anyone who claims that the current hostile environment of today for migrants is a construct of Tony Blair's policies is a fucking idiot, and a truly ignorant one at that.
The thing is, and here is the ethical question of the day, no one could ever consider friendship with, say, that loathsome sack of hypocritical stupid shite, the Tory minister Pridi Patel, but what of the person who gives her the oxygen that keeps her alive politically. Now, Ken Clarke is a fine man of many qualities, but he was a Tory and as such he is as responsible for that ghastly woman as the next Tory. Personally, I could happily form a friendship with him but others with more ethical rigour might say that his membership of the Tory party excluded him from the human race, in much the same way the nazis became anathema, and who could blame them?

Tories are now the party of the immoral, the corrupt, the cynically self interested and the mean-minded. And there it is.

I'd love to go through your posts/lines one by one but that's an exercise in futility . . . sadly you sound like a typical redneck/uninformed Trump supporter . . . well, Boris supporter

Originally Posted by jabir

Merkel's pants must be itching to jumble it up a bit which would also help to divert attention from internal rumblings.

'What internal rumblings' are you referring to? You mean the usual and normal changes to coalition partners, dealing with changing state governments etc . . . ?

Yes . . . "rumblings"

Originally Posted by jabir

Still, if she doesn't sabotage this the old dear has another 11 months to play dirtball.

And why should she? Please don't deflect some of your Tory scumbags' idiocy and Machiavellian games with a proven and effective leader

Originally Posted by jabir

the Socialist Project

Good grief . . . now I hear sounds from Deliverance . . .

Seriously, that is simply too stupid to think that you mean it seriously

Originally Posted by jabir

there's no reason for EU citizens in the UK to have more rights than Brit citizens in the EU, who one might guess will also be required to validate their stay.

Perhaps you shouldn't guess. Why are you playing the victim? The UK decided to leave and now you're bemoaning that those NASTY EUROS in the UK SHOULDN'T HAVE MORE RIGHTS THAN OUR BRITONS ENSLAVED ON THE CONTINENT. (ALL-CAPS FOR EFFECT OF A FROTHING-AT-THE-MOUTH BREXIT LOVER

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"The UK Government has three separate agreements with the 31 European countries that accept freedom of movement. Each agreement provides a strong level of protection for British citizens.

1. The Withdrawal Agreement – guarantees British citizens (who are lawfully resident in EU member states) broadly the same rights as they have now. They can continue to live, work and travel (although these rights would cease after a leave of absence of more than five years). The same would apply to British citizens moving to the EU during the transition period, which is expected to end on 31 December 2020, but it could be extended up to December 2022. This is because freedom of movement would continue to apply during this time.
2. A separate agreement with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein – three countries that are not in the EU but have freedom of movement as part of their membership of the European Economic Area (EEA). This agreement mirrors the offer in the Withdrawal Agreement.
3. An agreement with Switzerland – not in the EEA but accepts freedom of movement. It mirrors the offer in the Withdrawal Agreement but also covers the rights of British citizens in the event of no deal.

These agreements apply to British citizens who currently live in Europe, or move there during the transition period, but not to British citizens who want to move after the transition has ended."

Originally Posted by lom

No, there is no reason why Brit citizens in EU should get more rights than the limited rights the Brit government has given to EU citizens in Britain

Well, those nasty Continental Europeans . . . started it!

playing by the Brits at its best

Originally Posted by lom

No, there is no reason why Brit citizens in EU should get more rights than the limited rights the Brit government has given to EU citizens in Britain.
Tit for tat..

Precisely, which is why I don't understand SA's dire need to crow about EUers having to fill in a couple of forms to validate their stay, while Brits will not have freedom of movement across the EU and will be treated as aliens.

Originally Posted by jabir

Precisely, which is why I don't understand SA's dire need to crow about EUers having to fill in a couple of forms to validate their stay, while Brits will not have freedom of movement across the EU and will be treated as aliens.

Err, the English voted in the majority to lose their free movement access to the EU member states , the EU nationals living in the UK did not.

Are you ill or what?

Originally Posted by panama hat

I'd love to go through your posts/lines one by one but that's an exercise in futility . . . sadly you sound like a typical redneck/uninformed Trump supporter . . . well, Boris supporter

Wrong as usual, but do go on...a) I distrust Boris, b) he was better than the Marxist catastrophe, though I do not expect you to agree. We did have a choice of two, remember, or do you suppose the libs and greens were serious contenders?

'What internal rumblings' are you referring to? You mean the usual and normal changes to coalition partners, dealing with changing state governments etc . . . ?

You really ought to risk learning about structural problems within the EU that cannot be wished away. Or invoke your right to carry on wishing.

And why should she? Please don't deflect some of your Tory scumbags' idiocy and Machiavellian games with a proven and effective leader

An effective leader she was indeed, was being the qualifier. Now she's a bitter ole hag that knows her Socialist Project (their words not mine, so do take it up with someone higher up) is going the way of all other Socialist Projects. If that makes me a right wing scumbag then that's what I am, toot toot!

Perhaps you shouldn't guess. Why are you playing the victim? The UK decided to leave and now you're bemoaning that those NASTY EUROS in the UK SHOULDN'T HAVE MORE RIGHTS THAN OUR BRITONS ENSLAVED ON THE CONTINENT. (ALL-CAPS FOR EFFECT OF A FROTHING-AT-THE-MOUTH BREXIT LOVER

Not playing the victim at all, though you appear to support SA in that EU citizens in the UK deserve preferential rights over Brits in the EU, and anyone thinking otherwise must have something wrong with them. This is based on the wild assumption that you have been following the thread from SA's call of foul on this point, which also indicates you agree with him. Poor you, I suggest you abandon reason and take up name calling.

"The UK Government has three separate agreements with the 31 European countries that accept freedom of movement. Each agreement provides a strong level of protection for British citizens.

1. The Withdrawal Agreement – guarantees British citizens (who are lawfully resident in EU member states) broadly the same rights as they have now. They can continue to live, work and travel (although these rights would cease after a leave of absence of more than five years). The same would apply to British citizens moving to the EU during the transition period, which is expected to end on 31 December 2020, but it could be extended up to December 2022. This is because freedom of movement would continue to apply during this time.
2. A separate agreement with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein – three countries that are not in the EU but have freedom of movement as part of their membership of the European Economic Area (EEA). This agreement mirrors the offer in the Withdrawal Agreement.
3. An agreement with Switzerland – not in the EEA but accepts freedom of movement. It mirrors the offer in the Withdrawal Agreement but also covers the rights of British citizens in the event of no deal.

These agreements apply to British citizens who currently live in Europe, or move there during the transition period, but not to British citizens who want to move after the transition has ended."

Bingo, you managed to move the posts, and inadvertently buried your own feeble attempt at a rant. Your in depth 'research' applies to the transition period; it is after this period, when we're formally out, that life reverts to normal and EU citizens in the UK <sigh> go on, work the rest out for yourself.

Originally Posted by jabir

EUers having to fill in a couple of forms to validate their stay, while Brits will not have freedom of movement across the EU and will be treated as aliens.

Brits who are in Germany/France etc .... will have freedom of movement in Germany/France etc... and any other Shengen country. Where do you get your information?

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Err, the English voted in the majority to lose their free movement access to the EU member states , the EU nationals living in the UK did not.

Are you ill or what?

I see, we voted to leave, which means EU citizens in the UK deserve rights that will not apply to Brits in the EU?

Who is the one that's ill?

Originally Posted by panama hat

Brits who are in Germany/France etc .... will have freedom of movement in Germany/France etc... and any other Shengen country. Where do you get your information?

For now I carelessly accepted your own 'facts', ie:

These agreements apply to British citizens who currently live in Europe, or move there during the transition period, but not to British citizens who want to move after the transition has ended."

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

Another coffee?

Having one as we speak . . .

No, my name is not Tom, I'd rather give them a name that's easy to understand

Just as well you are not in the UK, you'd have to rifle through your change to weed out the new Brexit 50p pieces. Remainers getting all excited about its issue.

Originally Posted by jabir

Precisely, which is why I don't understand SA's dire need to crow about EUers having to fill in a couple of forms to validate their stay, while Brits will not have freedom of movement across the EU and will be treated as aliens.

There is an essential difference between the concession given from Britain and the one given from EU, both of them have a 5 years rule but for quite different reason.
I think the EU concession is much more generous than the British one.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Having one as we speak . . .

No, my name is not Tom, I'd rather give them a name that's easy to understand

Englebert is pretty tricky.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Englebert is pretty tricky.

Et tu, Brute?

Just call me Tom . . . everyone at Starbucks 1Utama calls me that

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

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Thanks for that, Mr Sausage.

Don't worry, just a few days left then the world will end, so we won't have to worry about this anymore...

^ Your clock is wrong

Originally Posted by lom

^ Your clock is wrong

By forty-odd years