Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Hammond is a wanker, won't even be on the MP roster next election (which might be announced on Nov 1st...). If the Tory remoaners help to stop Brexit on the 31st then they'll be a big clearout and an election.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Hammond is a wanker, won't even be on the MP roster next election (which might be announced on Nov 1st...). If the Tory remoaners help to stop Brexit on the 31st then they'll be a big clearout and an election.

What leads you to this conclusion?

IMHO Ambridge Paralytica and the big money Mercer Koch etc want their runner Cummings to plan is to announce the elction and it'll occur in the glow but not disorder November 1st, so Tories can dish Brexit Party, scoop up the Labour leavers and all those unable to support Swinson or Corbyn

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Hammond is a wanker, won't even be on the MP roster next election (which might be announced on Nov 1st...). If the Tory remoaners help to stop Brexit on the 31st then they'll be a big clearout and an election.

Brexiteers were only 52% then, probably down to 30% with the Brexit Party

so win-win for Remainers, and why Labour might win on a full REVOKE agenda

a sad day for the EU, so close to getting rid of you fookers, but sadly you won't go

more good news for Brexit

Time to revoke,

Brexit: No chance of US trade deal if Irish accord hit - Pelosi
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49348062

A US-UK trade deal will not get through Congress if Brexit undermines the Good Friday Agreement, the Speaker of the US House of Representatives has said.

Democrat Nancy Pelosi, whose party controls the House, said the UK's exit from the EU could not be allowed to endanger the Irish peace deal.

Her comments came after the US national security adviser said the UK would be "first in line" for a trade deal.

John Bolton spoke after meeting Prime Minister Boris Johnson in London.

Originally Posted by lom

We already know that you aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer, no need for you to prove it.

that from our political correspondent from twatford.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Hammond is a wanker, won't even be on the MP roster next election (which might be announced on Nov 1st...). If the Tory remoaners help to stop Brexit on the 31st then they'll be a big clearout and an election.

Hammond was taking his responsibilities seriously. Something the current cabinet should bear I mind.

^ So UK citizens living in the EU no longer count?

Jolly ho!

The following of a personal agenda can also be said about Boris. However, it would appear his style of leadership is rather irresponsible.

Originally Posted by Troy

^ So UK citizens living in the EU no longer count?

Jolly ho!

The following of a personal agenda can also be said about Boris. However, it would appear his style of leadership is rather irresponsible.

What you mean hopefully going to deliver on what people voted for over 3 years ago, yep terribly irresponsible.

More Boris lies

Boris Johnson: Brexit opponents 'collaborating' with EU
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49348072

Boris Johnson has accused MPs "who think they can block Brexit" of a "terrible collaboration" with the EU.

The prime minister said the EU had become less willing to compromise on a new deal with the UK because of the opposition to leaving in Parliament.

He said this increased the likelihood of the UK being "forced to leave with a no-deal" in October.

But some MPs said his claim they were collaborating with the EU was a "wicked lie" and a "big deflection exercise".

The EU has said the agreement struck by Theresa May is the only deal possible.

Speaking during a Facebook event hosted at Downing Street, Mr Johnson said he wanted to leave with a deal but "we need our European friends to compromise".

"There's a terrible kind of collaboration as it were, going on between people who think they can block Brexit in Parliament and our European friends," he added.

"The more they think there's a chance that Brexit can be blocked in Parliament, the more adamant they are in sticking to their position."

Originally Posted by buriramboy

What you mean hopefully going to deliver on what people voted for over 3 years ago, yep terribly irresponsible.

Glad you agree....

Boris needs to deliver an agreed way forward with the EU that will lead to a future trade agreement, unaffected rights of EU citizens in the UK and UK citizens in the EU, an intact Good Friday Agreement and make the UK more prosperous. That's the Brexit that was promised leading up to the referendum.

Originally Posted by Troy

^ So UK citizens living in the EU no longer count?

you've voted already.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

The EU has said the agreement struck by Theresa May is the only deal possible.

A deal rejected by parliament three times. Made by a PM who was forced to resign over her failure and incompetence.

Why does the EU refuse to acknowledge that I wonder? Are they stupid, or just feigning indifference.

German economy in the toilet and they still hope for continued UK funding to bail them out. Someone needs to cut the EU adrift, before they drag everyone down with them. Wake the fuck up.

Here,here!

The EU is broken and only the balls of the British can fix it!

But first it must be disassembled, painful for many but not as painful as it is in its current trajectory.

Short term loss for long term gain.

#finkfuture#

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

More Boris lies

Boris Johnson: Brexit opponents 'collaborating' with EU
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49348072

Boris Johnson has accused MPs "who think they can block Brexit" of a "terrible collaboration" with the EU.

The prime minister said the EU had become less willing to compromise on a new deal with the UK because of the opposition to leaving in Parliament.

He said this increased the likelihood of the UK being "forced to leave with a no-deal" in October.

But some MPs said his claim they were collaborating with the EU was a "wicked lie" and a "big deflection exercise".

The EU has said the agreement struck by Theresa May is the only deal possible.

Speaking during a Facebook event hosted at Downing Street, Mr Johnson said he wanted to leave with a deal but "we need our European friends to compromise".

"There's a terrible kind of collaboration as it were, going on between people who think they can block Brexit in Parliament and our European friends," he added.

"The more they think there's a chance that Brexit can be blocked in Parliament, the more adamant they are in sticking to their position."

Excellent tactics by Boris, make it the people against the establishment with Boris leading the people. Guaranteed electoral landslide victory now.

Originally Posted by Switch

A deal rejected by parliament three times. Made by a PM who was forced to resign over her failure and incompetence.

Why does the EU refuse to acknowledge that I wonder? Are they stupid, or just feigning indifference.

German economy in the toilet and they still hope for continued UK funding to bail them out. Someone needs to cut the EU adrift, before they drag everyone down with them. Wake the fuck up.

The Germans need the UK to bail them out? Whatever are you smoking?

The UK will be without paddle and heading for the nearest creek. Industry has been trying to explain this for several years now.

Come Oct 31st we will know more. Until then all speculation but do carry on.

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

you've voted already.

MPs have been able to vote on the issue many times. Many have changed their minds, despite having far more information available than the average Joe. Why should people not be allowed to vote again on such an important issue? Why are MPs allowed to vote without providing an in-depth rationale to back their decision?

What economic benefits are there in leaving the EU that cost less than 1% of the annual budget and do they offset the loss of influence and unity that being part of the EU provides? Taking back control, the Brexit slogan, is not tangible and serves no useful purpose in the modern world.

^ your opinion is irrelevant because a referendum was held where the promise was to enact the result. It is also known that another referendum with leave now, no deal or remain would be won by leave no, no deal, so basically you have the HoP ignoring the will of the people. Trust in the system is thus lost, by the people.

It is very strange that some folks, you included, only support democratic practices when you get what you want, but don't support democratic practices when you don't get what you want. I'm glad I don't have such a weak will/moral compass.

When a referendum is held, the result should be respected.

&, no, please don't reply with endless cliches of the people didn't know what they were voting for, things have changed, etc, because the people would vote exactly the same way again. Repeatedly, the Liberals and Labour have said so, which is why they wish to change the question on a second referendum to May's deal or remain - they have stated as much in interview after interview; the British people would vote today to leave with no deal.

You, like the idiot Dr Bobby, just don't respect democratic processes or the will of the people, you think you know better (in his case he is a narcissist, you just seem to be extremely self-centred).

So boring to listen to.

You simply do not respect the will of the people.

It has been stated time and time again, every election/indicative vote since 2016 has been won by Leave parties: the referendum, the general election, the EU elections. Nothing has changed, people keep voting the same way... It isn't the way you want, so you keep making stuff up...

Here is some typical remoaner lies:

Headline:




https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/remain-55...m-brexit-poll/

So, people have changed their minds and want to stay in the EU now, great, so says a London radio station. &, they bring on a chief propaganda expert to support their claim:



But, let's actually look at their questions and answers:



The numbers look simple, 43% remain, 48% leave, 9% don't know. That's a 5% lead for leave, so kinda strange that the headline is a 5% remain win??? Of course they've kept remain to one option and leave to two options to make the remain column look larger, but there's a 5% lead for leave - that is clear.




Let's say that the Tories and The Brexit Party are clearly leave parties, that's 43%. Let's say that the Liberals, Greens and SNP are clearly remain, that's 27%. Labour, as seen above, are harder to judge as they have been a leave party, but are now changing to a remain party, and we saw that 30% of their voters are Leave voters (a couple of posts above, and those were pro-remain BBC figures...); let's be kind and give 2/3s of Labour voters to remain and only 1/3 to leave - and we get:

51% leave
44% remain

other? Lets give 75% to remain, let's just be kind and try to up the remain numbers:

52% leave
47% remain

That again is a 5% lead to leave, so why does the headline show a 5% lead for remain???

Interestingly, they don't show how the question for their headline was framed...

Anyways, the London based propaganda has endlessly said the same thing, the entire establishment supported remain but lost (and it would again...). A second referendum would be a massive problem for the country, and likely the same result as the first one, but the remoaners simply don't care - they are self-centred and selfish individuals who do not respect democracy...

This is a more intelligent argument than the me, me, me, me, me, meeeeee of the London based propaganda and snowflake groups.

HoC, Tories 330 seats, Libs 229. 1 vote away from passing no confidence.
What then guys?

Originally Posted by Norton

HoC, Tories 330 seats, Libs 229. 1 vote away from passing no confidence.
What then guys?

We have the same problem: the people voted one way, the HoP/HoL won't support that vote.

That's why a General Election is very probable, and that GE will be on Brexit. The Tories will have to clear out the remoaners to try to get as many Brexit MPs in as possible. Even then, it is unlikely that the HoP will have a strong enough group to cleanly push through Brexit or remain - &, things continue... A second referendum would just make the political and social situation worse, and would probably end with the same result - people's positions are now entrenched rather than fluid.

The remoaners cannot win without devastating the nation; and even then it's unlikely they can win, but they can frustrate Brexit which has been their policy from the start.

One solution: let the Scots leave Britain, bye bye Sturgeon, good luck Scottish people. But, again, the Scots voted not to leave and would likely vote the same way again...

British politicians simply do not care what the people want; this has been hidden to a large extent because of the parliamentary system we have - people have gotten used to being lied to. But, in the situation of a referendum, where the parliamentary system has to take a back seat and allow the referendum result to be adhered to, if the MPs show the same disdain for the electorate then political and social troubles are highly likely - that is what we are seeing.

The Liberals and Labour are unlikely to win an election again in my lifetime, so they are happier to fuk up the political system. The Tories, useless as they are, are likely to keep winning elections, so they are more likely to play 'fair'.

If Brexit does not occur on the 31st then things will get very bad in the UK - Boris (unlikely as this seems) really is the best solution.

I cannot see how the remoaners can predict any positive solution from their behaviour.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

people have gotten used to being lied to

Welcome to club. Good post thanks.