Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

October 31st, no ifs, no buts...

Has the Queen told us what she's going to do yet?

Originally Posted by Neverna

Has the Queen told us what she's going to do yet?

The Queen has the power to form governments.


The Queen previously wielded the power to dissolve Parliament and call a general election, but the Fixed-Term Parliaments Act put an end to that in 2011. Now a two-thirds vote in the commons is required to dissolve Parliament before a five-year fixed-term is up.

No-deal Brexit preparation is top priority, Johnson tells officials

LONDON (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Boris Johnson wrote to all government employees on Friday to tell them that preparing for a no-deal exit from the European Union is his and their top priority, according to a copy of the email seen by Reuters.

Johnson has promised voters Britain will leave the EU on Oct. 31 with or without an exit deal, demanding that Brussels drop parts of the existing proposed deal relating to the Irish border and negotiate a fresh exit arrangement.

But the EU is adamant that the legal terms of the deal cannot be rewritten, raising expectations among politicians and financial markets that Britain is headed for an unmanaged divorce from the bloc in less than three months’ time.

“I would very much prefer to leave with a deal – one that must abolish the anti-democratic Irish backstop, which has unacceptable consequences for our country,” Johnson said in the email.

“But I recognise this may not happen. That is why preparing urgently and rapidly for the possibility of an exit without a deal will be my top priority, and it will be the top priority for the Civil Service too.”

Previously, pro-Brexit campaigners have criticised the ranks of Britain’s civil service, which adopts a politically neutral stance while working to enact government policy, saying they were biased towards remaining in the EU and trying to obstruct the exit process.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-b...-idUSKCN1UZ1I3

Originally Posted by Klondyke

No-deal Brexit preparation is top priority, Johnson tells officials

LONDON (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Boris Johnson wrote to all government employees on Friday to tell them that preparing for a no-deal exit from the European Union is his and their top priority, according to a copy of the email seen by Reuters.

Johnson has promised voters Britain will leave the EU on Oct. 31 with or without an exit deal, demanding that Brussels drop parts of the existing proposed deal relating to the Irish border and negotiate a fresh exit arrangement.

But the EU is adamant that the legal terms of the deal cannot be rewritten, raising expectations among politicians and financial markets that Britain is headed for an unmanaged divorce from the bloc in less than three months’ time.

“I would very much prefer to leave with a deal – one that must abolish the anti-democratic Irish backstop, which has unacceptable consequences for our country,” Johnson said in the email.

“But I recognise this may not happen. That is why preparing urgently and rapidly for the possibility of an exit without a deal will be my top priority, and it will be the top priority for the Civil Service too.”

Previously, pro-Brexit campaigners have criticised the ranks of Britain’s civil service, which adopts a politically neutral stance while working to enact government policy, saying they were biased towards remaining in the EU and trying to obstruct the exit process.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-b...-idUSKCN1UZ1I3

haven't heard the same arguments before from Doris?

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

haven't heard the same arguments before from Doris?

Doris and Hammond basically blocked no deal planning.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Doris and Hammond basically blocked no deal planning.

they did because they had no choice, civil servants below them wouldn't do anything to prepare for Brexit

you can't leave, your government doesn't have control, civil servants do and will block all attempts to do so

and 3 months to fully prepare? hello earth

things will start moving end of September, like Hitler in his bunker, Boris will eventually realize that the war is lost, and will surrender to a full REVOKE with the complete dismay of his Brexit supporters

Can the PM revoke the Brexit without the approval of the Parliament?

If so, that's very Presidential.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

Can the PM revoke the Brexit without the approval of the Parliament?

If so, that's very Presidential.

No it needs an act of parliament (new law) to revoke article 50 as the law currently stands we leave on Oct 31 with or without a deal.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

No it needs an act of parliament (new law) to revoke article 50 as the law currently stands we leave on Oct 31 with or without a deal.

Under Johnston's leadership, how possible is that?

Originally Posted by David48atTD

Under Johnston's leadership, how possible is that?

Less than zero if you are referring to revoking A50.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Less than zero if you are referring to revoking A50.

He is saying get ready for a no deal so agree but could change between now and 31 Oct. If a revoke occurs reckon another referendum would follow. Thin ice politically no matter what happens.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

it'd be a straight up middle finger to the masses - with 50%+ of the population being Leave

A reader's oxymoron.

Notice you didn't go for '52% of those who voted' there.

Not quite so convincing, is it.

Extend and call a GE obviously the best solution...

...but what a choice.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

No it needs an act of parliament (new law) to revoke article 50 as the law currently stands we leave on Oct 31 with or without a deal.

where does it says that Revoke needs an act of Parliament? FFS, even the Queen could ask for REVOKE or her PM

the law doesn't state either you are leaving on Oct 31, again that's your optimistic interpretation. There is no way to implement that law even if it was clear, and the legality of it is not even clear.

anyway, all this academic now since it's going to be EXTEND or REVOKE, with the full support of Westminster and the Queen

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

There is no way, zero chance, that the HoP with the aid of the HoL would revoke - it'd be civil war on the streets and end of the HoL, and enough of them realize that.

you are clearly deranged, there is not going to be civil war over this, you are British, your people do what they are being told

52% revolting and going to the streets? I think over 70% are tired of Brexit and will gladly vote REVOKE if given the chance in a referendum or an election

Betty, you have stayed too long over in Korea, now you think like a monkey

Buttfly, the wankers in the Neutral Civil Service are getting a hair cut as we speak - been looking at it over the last two weeks - so good luck with your theory.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

where does it says that Revoke needs an act of Parliament? FFS, even the Queen could ask for REVOKE or her PM

the law doesn't state either you are leaving on Oct 31, again that's your optimistic interpretation. There is no way to implement that law even if it was clear, and the legality of it is not even clear.

anyway, all this academic now since it's going to be EXTEND or REVOKE, with the full support of Westminster and the Queen

The law does state we leave the EU on 31 October. Why do you need the same shit explaining to you again and again. The legality of it is not in dispute.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

The law does state we leave the EU on 31 October. Why do you need the same shit explaining to you again and again. The legality of it is not in dispute.

you keep making that claim like all your other ludicrous claims about the economic consequences of Brexit,

the legality is not clear and will be central when the shit hits the fan on Oct 31, that's what you keep missing. The legal experts will tell you the same, like the economic experts would about the economic disaster, but you are not listening to anything outside your narrow view because you want to believe in fairy tales like all the other Brexit loons,

in Brexit, nothing is clear, legally, politically and economically, and that's what I am reminding you of those little facts

default could eventually be REVOKE for all kind of legal reasons, not hard Brexit

Originally Posted by buriramboy

The law does state we leave the EU on 31 October. Why do you need the same shit explaining to you again and again. The legality of it is not in dispute.

Indeed, but the extension to October was due to a defeat of the government by a large majority. The current government, for all its bravado, does not have the majority in government to fulfill its promises.

Either another delay proposal will be made against the government wishes or, if it is made impossible to do so, a vote of no-confidence will be made, and will succeed, forcing a general election.

Originally Posted by Troy

Indeed, but the extension to October was due to a defeat of the government by a large majority. The current government, for all its bravado, does not have the majority in government to fulfill its promises.

Either another delay proposal will be made against the government wishes or, if it is made impossible to do so, a vote of no-confidence will be made, and will succeed, forcing a general election.

No one is saying the law cant be changed as obviously it can by an act of parliament, I'm just stating the law as it currently stands.

you are confusing declaration with actionable laws, there is no way Brexit is actionable by law come Oct 31

first, the EU will NOT let it happen, and so will Westminster

so like I said, the legality is not clear, if there are no actions being taken one way or the other, the default will be REMAIN

that's why it's so amusing you keep making claims that have no reality in the real word, in some ways, this is what Doris was doing with her claims on her DEAL

NO DEAL BREXIT is not going to happen, Oct 31 or anytime after

Boris is coming too late to the party, the Tories were foolish to keep Doris for so long

Boris is going to have an humiliating moment soon, and will need to choose how to survive it, so it's going to be EXTEND or REVOKE

Brexit is Mission Impossible as it stands, everyone knows it except the delusional Brexit loons