Thread: Mueller's Russian Interference investigation

Originally Posted by longway

^ I don't want it to blow over dummy. I want you guys to be pushing this till at least 2020.

Originally Posted by longway

I hope this clown show continues to 2020, it serves as a reminder to voters that the dnc leadership are a bunch of self indulgent loons with no interest in representing them.

If it was a mere clown show, one has to wonder why the head of one of the committees sneaked to the Whitehouse for instructions and tried to suppress Yates and others' testimony, before being forced to resign.

Well not you, obviously, because you're as thick as shit.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Neo

Any facts yet.?

That would require you being literate, obviously.

Just to sum up, the orange-faced wanker was told that Flynn was susceptible to blackmail by the Russians and did nothing about it for 18 days.

I think that merits a truthful explanation, but we're not going to get one from that fat orange c u n t, are we?

So.. the thread should be renamed 'Flynn Russian Ties Investigation'

So true

Not long ago the idea that the US national security adviser had been compromised by the Russians would have been the stuff of airport thrillers and TV mini-series. The Trump White House has made it the new normal.

The firmest conclusion to emerge from the latest testimony on Capitol Hill is that the White House knew for 18 days its national security adviser, Michael Flynn, was vulnerable to blackmail by Moscow because he had lied about his contacts with the Russian ambassador.

The White House counsel, Don McGahn, had been told clearly by the acting attorney general, Sally Yates, about this extraordinary situation on 26 January. She requested an urgent face-to-face meeting in the White House, then came back the next day to press home the seriousness of the situation. But Donald Trump and his administration continued to stand by Flynn.


There is no evidence Flynn was excluded from top secret meetings in this period. He was operating on a routine renewal of a security clearance given to retired officers every five years. He was never given the far more stringent vetting reserved for someone in a sensitive White House position like national security adviser.

It was only late at night on 13 February, four days after the facts of Flynn’s contacts with the Russian ambassador had been published in the Washington Post, that he was forced to resign. Even then Trump portrayed him as “a wonderful man” and hapless victim of “fake media”.

Trump has sought to shrug off the weighty cloak of suspicion around his presidency as the product of “fake news” and sour grapes from the defeated party. But he was clearly watching Monday’s hearing of the Senate judiciary sub-committee closely – and heckling from Twitter.

Before Yates arrived on Capitol Hill he was urging the panel to ask about leaks. It did, and she denied ever having leaked in her career. At the end of the hearing Trump pointed to the testimony of James Clapper, the former director of national intelligence, claiming that Clapper had “reiterated what everybody, including the fake media already knows – there is ‘no evidence’ of collusion with Russia and Trump”. The president incorporated that judgment into his Twitter profile picture, in effect making it his recurrent daily message, a measure of how seriously he takes these hearings as a threat to his legitimacy.

However, that is not quite what Clapper said. The retired master-spy was asked about an interview he had given in March, when he said there was no evidence of collusion between the Trump camp and Russia by the time he left his post on 20 January. He was asked if that was still accurate. “It is,” he said.

But the statement comes with a substantial caveat. Clapper had already said in his opening remarks that he had not been aware of an FBI counter-intelligence investigation into Trump-Russia ties, which had been going on since July 2016. This may not have been included in an intelligence summary on Russian interference compiled by the time Clapper left, simply because it had not been finished.

The fact that the FBI did not even tell the intelligence chief about its investigation is probably bad news for Flynn and the White House, as it underlines the seriousness of the issue, and makes it more likely rather than less that it could ultimately lead to prosecution.

Clapper has a record of being a somewhat slippery witness at such hearings. In 2013 he gave misleading testimony on NSA mass surveillance, saying later that he had provided a Senate committee the “least untruthful” version of reality he could.

On Monday he seemed to give conflicting answers to the same question within a few minutes. He was asked about a Guardian report in April saying the US had first been tipped off to contacts between the Trump campaign and Moscow by British intelligence in late 2015, and then by other western agencies in 2016. Clapper was asked if that was still accurate.

“Yes, it is and it’s also quite sensitive,” he said. “The specifics are … quite sensitive.”

It seemed a clear statement, and one that would contradict his earlier assertions there was no evidence of collusion. He later wavered on the issue, when pressed on what his intelligence establishment had done in response to such warnings from abroad.

“Well I’m not sure about the accuracy of that article, so clearly over actually going back to 2015, there was evidence of Soviet, excuse me, Freudian slip, Russian activity,” he said. “Mainly in an information gathering or recon ordering mode, where they were investigating voter registration rolls and the like.”

When Yates was asked about the investigations into collusion with Russia, she declined to comment, and when pressed about Clapper’s seemingly definitive answer she simply pointed to his admission that he had been ignorant about the FBI’s counter-intelligence investigation.

Faced with incontrovertible evidence of a shocking lapse in the White House, almost all the Republican questions on Monday were about leaks and immigration. For that to change, Flynn or another close aide would have to point the finger of blame for collusion at Trump himself. Such a turning point did not arrive on Monday, but nor did it seem unthinkable.

For an administration that has normalised the sloppy handling of security matters and glaring conflicts of interests, only stark evidence of deliberate conspiracy with Moscow to skew the election is likely to do any lasting damage. Unless and until that moment arrives, the Republican party is determined to look the other way.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...snt-so-serious

this reminds of the Lewinsky affair, they all wanted to know if he had sex with monika, and asked him this personal question in a trial, I mean wtf do they need to know in the first place ? and how fucking relevant was it ?

of course it was a trap, and he lied, and therefore they could charge him with something

same here, wtf do they need to know the contents of those conversations, should told the fuckers to fuck off

The good general (actually he is a kunt but that's besides the point) and Trump should tell them all to fuck off and not play their silly game where nobody can win, as they change the rule as they go along,

bunch of silly fuckers, and we have a good sample here too with silly Harry, Cujo and friends

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Neo

Any facts yet.?

That would require you being literate, obviously.

Just to sum up, the orange-faced wanker was told that Flynn was susceptible to blackmail by the Russians and did nothing about it for 18 days.

I think that merits a truthful explanation, but we're not going to get one from that fat orange c u n t, are we?

So.. the thread should be renamed 'Flynn Russian Ties Investigation'

Why?

You seem to be forgetting Sessions little Faux Pas when he lied about meeting Russians even when that wasn't the question he was being asked.

And Carter Page...

And Paul Manafort...

And Wilbur Ross...

And...

Oh fuck it, the list goes on.

I just hope some enterprising young IRS agent takes courage from Yates handling of the old farts and explores what Trump did with the $60 million he laundered for Dmitry Rybolovlev.

Originally Posted by Muddywaters

Originally Posted by Slick

Still no ties to trump.

Take it everyone's looking real hard still.

18 months of trash talk, dirt digging. Still nothing.

If something was there it would be played already. Wont stop the butt hurts crying everyday til 2024.

How many congress investigations have you been a part of? And how long do they usually take? How long did Nixon's and Clinton's take?

Btw, where are the tax returns? That would speed things up.

The shoe is close to dropping now....

FBI Director James B. Comey has been dismissed by the president, according to White House spokesman Sean Spicer - a startling move that officials said stemmed from a conclusion by Justice Department officials that he had mishandled the probe of Hillary Clinton’s emails.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...004_story.html

So fire the guy who is investigating you...

It's starting to feel a lot like 1973. Take it to the bank that Comey was not fired because of Clintons emails.

Originally Posted by bsnub

The shoe is close to dropping now....

He's really fuking scared now.
Maybe this will motivate the rethugs to support an independent prosecutor.

Originally Posted by elche

Yesterday during questioning, the chairman of the committee was more concerned about the identity of the individual who provided the leak to the WP rather than the leak itself

He's taking the lead from El Jefe Pajero Naranja, who in turn has only been trying to divert.

Originally Posted by Norton

Firing Comey changes nothing

It's a momentous event in US history. A event that equals the Saturday night massacre leading to Nixon's downfall. This is a terrible abuse of power that reveals that this pig is tyrant who needs to be brought down.

Comey was getting too close to home. His testimony on the 20th of March revealed that Russia/Putin had a "clear preference for her opponent", "hurt one of the candidates and helped the other candidate" and "undermined our democracy". Russia did not hold back: "they were unusually loud in their intervention" and "very noisy". "Their number one goal was to undermine our democratic enterprise". "Russia will target US elections again". "I found no evidence of Obama wire tapping". Same with the Justice Department.

Time is up for this vile, senile, compulsively lying sociopath and his crime syndicate.

Kelly Anne Conway is on CNN right now insisting that Drumpf is not under investigation.

Interesting to see that Trump got Sessions to write a memo first, recommending the dismissal.
These guys are alienating the intelligence and justice departments even further - impossible to drain the swamp when you keep releasing more and more alligators into it ....

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Norton

Firing Comey changes nothing

It's a momentous event in US history. A event that equals the Saturday night massacre leading to Nixon's downfall. This is a terrible abuse of power that reveals that this pig is tyrant who needs to be brought down.

My changes nothing refered to the fact that the investigation will continue with or without Comey. Making it more dumb to fire him.

Originally Posted by elche

Comey was getting too close to home.

Yep. Only logical conclusion.

How very Putin-esque...

I'm guessing by the lack of response from the trumpanzees that they're all feverishly searching Breitbart, Fox et al for some story about how Comey was taking kickbacks from Iran or something.

It's good that they let him use the company jet to get home though.

Track former FBI Director Comey's flight back to DC - CNNPolitics.com

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Norton

Firing Comey changes nothing

It's a momentous event in US history. A event that equals the Saturday night massacre leading to Nixon's downfall. This is a terrible abuse of power that reveals that this pig is tyrant who needs to be brought down.

It's not the same as Nixon firing his AG, IMO.

We don't know much (as of now).

The media will turn this into a soap opera.


To clarify, perhaps there is more too this. We have to wait.

Originally Posted by elche

Comey was getting too close to home. His testimony on the 20th of March revealed that Russia/Putin had a "clear preference for her opponent", "hurt one of the candidates and helped the other candidate" and "undermined our democracy".

As of now, that's on Russia - not on Trump.


As of now....

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

The media will turn this into a soap opera.

Donald Trump has made the Presidency into a soap opera. No change.