Mueller's Russian Interference investigation

**mark45y** · 20-07-2018, 06:08 PM

Traitorous US Intelligence chiefs blabbering again trying to act like they are the President instead of working for the President. Someone should stop these guys from talking to the press about obvious confidential information that could be a detriment to the country. Comey, Clapper and now Reuters) - U.S. Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats said on Thursday it was technically possible for North Korea to eliminate its nuclear weapons programme within a year, but added that it was not likely to happen.

**Loy Toy** · 20-07-2018, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by CSFFan

why wouldn't trump, after being told multiple times that russia interfered on his behalf, man up and admit the Russians messed around with the election

Sorry Trumper! Not trolling you just checking up on my investment!

Did you really post the above willingly or were you forced to do so under extreme duress?

**bsnub** · 20-07-2018, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by SKkin

This is why I have such a problem with this whole Russia Russia Russia hysteria and "collusion" story.

Info wars mother fuckers!

**SKkin** · 20-07-2018, 06:12 PM

IMO Jill Stein was on to the more likely reason Donald Trump is in office. Massage the tabulations from electronic voting machines just enough and in just the right places and you swing the electoral college vote. And that was an internal job...probably hired done by some of those screaming "Russia Russia" the loudest.

**bsnub** · 20-07-2018, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by mark45y

Traitorous US Intelligence chiefs

Fox news idiot.

**Dragonfly** · 20-07-2018, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by mark45y

Traitorous US Intelligence chiefs blabbering again trying to act like they are the President instead of working for the President. Someone should stop these guys from talking to the press about obvious confidential information that could be a detriment to the country. Comey, Clapper and now Reuters) - U.S. Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats said on Thursday it was technically possible for North Korea to eliminate its nuclear weapons programme within a year, but added that it was not likely to happen.

absolutely, the US Intelligence has been running that show for too long, with weak POTUS since 2001

can't believe Obama the smart one, wasn't able to count-strike those fookers, but I guess after 8 years under another Chimp, the US Intelligence community was too strong to get rid of

Thank God we have Trump now

**cyrille** · 20-07-2018, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by CSFFan

why wouldn't trump, after being told multiple times that russia interfered on his behalf, man up and admit the Russians messed around with the election and hold his master accountable in a very public manner?

Because his overweening vanity demands he convince himself he won fair and square, surely?

Wow...that was an easy one.

**Dragonfly** · 20-07-2018, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

Don't let them get to you. I find your comments most interesting.

absolutely, don't let the usual idiots like cy, bsnob, and Harry the smelly Indian get under your skin

don't let those weak fookers win, all they can do is bark like old dogs

stay the course

**Topper** · 20-07-2018, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by cyrille

Because his overweening vanity demands he convince himself he won fair and square, surely?

Ego, pure and simple. It's sad it's now so obvious that even Republicans are taking action.

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

Sorry Trumper! Not trolling you just checking up on my investment!

LOL!

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

Did you really post the above willingly or were you forced to do so under extreme duress?

At least I added something positive to a thread that was on topic. What was your post in relation to, politically speaking of course, again?

Ah, that's right, you're needing attention. Nobody seems to care about you anymore so you visit other threads to try and get a reaction......it's ok, I understand, LT. We all need attention at times.

**cyrille** · 20-07-2018, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

absolutely, don't let the usual idiots like cy, bsnob, and Harry the smelly Indian get under your skin

I've barely responded to him. A diverse cross-section of TD membership, far broader than the people you mention, has covered what he is already.

**SKkin** · 20-07-2018, 06:36 PM

@CSFan...so it's bipartisan and that makes it gospel. That should tell you something right there.

**Loy Toy** · 20-07-2018, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by CSFFan

We all need attention at times.

I don't, well not always, but it is almost dinner time so get the hog's trough out Trumper!

And clean your mess up afterwards!

**harrybarracuda** · 20-07-2018, 06:54 PM

Meanwhile, back in court:

The special master overseeing the document review in the federal criminal investigation of President Donald Trump’s former lawyer Michael Cohen just ruled that nearly half of 4,000 documents seized by the government and labelled as privileged by Cohen, Trump, or the Trump Organisation, are not.

And although Cohen objected to the special master’s ruling on a minuscule number of those documents, he isn’t challenging the decision in court.

Because he is not doing so, more than 1,400 documents will now be turned over to prosecutors and are able to be used in a potential prosecution of Cohen.

In a Thursday court filing to US District Judge Kimba Wood, special master Barbara Jones ruled that of 4,085 items recently designated as privileged by Cohen, Trump, or the Trump Organisation, just 2,633 are either privileged or partially privileged. The remaining 1,452 were not, she ruled.

You have to wonder what is in them to make baldy orange cunto try to block them.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/s...vileged-2018-7

Meanwhile Manafort has exhausted just about every legal trick he's tried and is up in front of the beak on Wednesday.

Mueller has released the list of evidence:

http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...manafort-trial

**Topper** · 20-07-2018, 07:15 PM

The evidence submitted against Manafort by Mueller..

https://www.scribd.com/document/3842...ort#from_embed

400+

**jamescollister** · 20-07-2018, 09:03 PM

Simple question for you anti Trump conspiracy nutters, if the intelligence agencies new about Russian interference in the election and Obama was aware, why did they do nothing about it.

Laws in most countries [USA] included, accessory before or after the fact, if they knew a crime was being committed, then they are as guilty as those that commit the crime.

Either, after spending billion on listening to, not only US citizen, but most of the world, they miss a few hackers, or they knew.

To me, they knew, Obama took no action, meaning he was anti Clinton.

Know the people suffering from anti Trump mental illness will respond with I'm a idiot etc, send reds with fuk you.

**Topper** · 20-07-2018, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by jamescollister

if the intelligence agencies new about Russian interference in the election and Obama was aware, why did they do nothing about it.

During the election....
Obama: Americans, I have to tell you that the Russians are engaging in cyberwar to get Donald Trump elected.

Could you explain how that would have worked out?

**Neverna** · 20-07-2018, 09:27 PM

of 4,085 items recently designated as privileged by Cohen, Trump, or the Trump Organisation, just 2,633 are either privileged or partially privileged. The remaining 1,452 were not, she ruled.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You have to wonder what is in them to make baldy orange cunto try to block them.

Possibly just a time and resource wasting trick. Keep them busy with as much as you can so they don't have time to look at other things that might have an impact.

A bit like trolls on forums who keep posting off topic stuff and trying to divert the conversation to something else.

**mark45y** · 20-07-2018, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by CSFFan

During the election....
Obama: Americans, I have to tell you that the Russians are engaging in cyberwar to get Donald Trump elected.

Could you explain how that would have worked out?

The Russians must have hired Comey because he is the reason Hillary thinks she lost. I don't think the Russians are bright enough or rich enough to affect an election except as a false flag operation by convincing the other side they were involved. It would have been easy enough to prove one way or the other by survey after the election but I don't think either side wanted to.

**Topper** · 20-07-2018, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by mark45y

The Russians must have hired Comey

Retard

**Dragonfly** · 20-07-2018, 09:56 PM

this is exactly like McCarthyism, mass hysteria by a small paranoid elite to influence a bigger group of idiots who fell for it,

this is clearly demonstrated here

how can anyone fall for the Russian thing is really disillusioning themselves,

to be expected from the like of Harry and bsnob, but some here have lost all their common sense and gone full moonbat

**Dragonfly** · 20-07-2018, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by CSFFan

Retard

actually you sound more retarded, but again you never been too bright

**sabang** · 20-07-2018, 10:01 PM

This article starts off very promising (the headline says it all) but ends up a bit of trumpaganda, which I would normally not disseminate. Nevertheless, some good points made:-

Trump is right about who’s to blame for bad relations with Russia

Washington’s naiveté regarding Moscow comes not from the current administration, but from previous presidents who foolishly designed to reshape Russia in America’s image

US President Donald Trump offended the entire political spectrum with a tweet this morning blaming Washington for poor relations with Russia. “Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of US foolishness and stupidity,” the president said, and he is entirely correct.
By this, I do not mean to say that Russia is a beneficent actor in world affairs or that Russian President Vladimir Putin is an admirable world leader. Nonetheless, the president displayed both perspicacity and political courage when he pointed the finger at the United States for mismanaging the relationship with Russia.

Full disclosure: I was a card-carrying member of the neoconservative cabal that planned to bring Western-style democracy and free markets to Russia after the fall of Communism. As chief economist for the supply-side consulting firm Polyconomics, I got an appointment as an adviser to Boris Yeltsin’s finance ministry and made several trips to Moscow.

Of course, the finance ministry really was a family office for Yeltsin’s oligarch friends, who were too busy stealing Russia’s economy to listen to advice. The experience cured me of the neoconservative delusion that democracy and free markets are the natural order of things.

Unfortunately, the delusion that the United States would remake Russia in its own image persisted through the Bush and Obama administrations. I have no reason to doubt the allegations that a dozen Russian intelligence officers meddled in the US elections of 2016, but this was equivalent of a fraternity prank compared to America’s longstanding efforts to intervene in Russian politics.

The United States supported the 2014 Maidan uprising in Ukraine and the overthrow of the Yanukovych government in the hope of repeating the exercise in Moscow sometime later. Then Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland pulled whatever strings America had to replace the feckless and corrupt Victor Yanukovych with a government hostile to the Kremlin. She didn’t say it in so many words, but she hoped the Ukraine coup would lead to the overthrow of Vladimir Putin.

Evidently, Nuland and her boss, Hillary Clinton, thought that the Ukraine coup would deprive Russia of its Black Sea naval base in Crimea, and did not anticipate that Russia simply would annex an old Russian province that belonged to Ukraine by historical accident.

At the time, liberal opinion evanesced with the notion that Moscow would follow Maidan. The Christian Science Monitor reported in February 2014, “Some in Russia’s liberal community see in the Maidan a hope that the Kremlin, no matter how solid it looks, could one day crack under similar popular pressure.

‘What we are seeing in Ukraine is the realization of the Ukrainian people’s aspiration for democracy, of the right to revolt,’ says Sergei Davidis, a board member of Solidarnost, a liberal opposition coalition. ‘It doesn’t mean we’re ready to follow that example. Russian conditions are different. But in the long run, as the contradictions pile up, we may well come to the same pass and find ourselves with no alternatives but the Ukrainian one.'” Of course, no such thing occurred.

The Maidan coup was the second American attempt to install a Ukrainian government hostile to Moscow; the first occurred in 2004, when Condoleezza Rice was Secretary of State rather than Hillary Clinton. As I wrote in Asia Times a decade ago, “On the night of November 22, 2004, then-Russian president – now premier – Vladimir Putin watched the television news in his dacha near Moscow. People who were with Putin that night report his anger and disbelief at the unfolding ‘Orange’ revolution in Ukraine. ‘They lied to me,’ Putin said bitterly of the United States. ‘I’ll never trust them again.’ The Russians still can’t fathom why the West threw over a potential strategic alliance for Ukraine. They underestimate the stupidity of the West.”

American efforts to promote a democratic opposition to Putin have failed miserably, and as John Lloyd wrote recently at Reuters, the Russian president remains genuinely popular. This remains a source of perpetual frustration for the neoconservatives, who cannot fathom why dictatorships still exist.

Russia is a brutal country that always has been governed by brutal men. No one talks about Ivan the Reasonable. Compared to Peter the Great or Alexander II, let alone Stalin or Ivan the Terrible, Putin is one of Russia’s gentler heads of state. I attempted to explain why in this 2016 essay for Asia Times.

Thanks to President Trump, Russia (as well as China) now understands that America’s intervention in Iraq was not a deliberate effort to destabilize the region, and that its support for Sunni jihadists in Syria was not a deliberate effort to create an Islamist monster with which to destabilize Russia. Under the headline “They’ll never believe we’re that stupid,” I wrote in May 2015:

“Beijing and Moscow made up their minds some time ago that the United States had deliberately unleashed chaos on the Levant as part of a malevolent plan of some kind. The Chinese and Russians (and most of the rest of the world) simply cannot process the notion that the United States is run by clueless amateurs who stumble from one half-baked initiative to another, with no overall plan (except, of course, to persuade the Persians to become America’s friends rather than enemies).

Incompetence has consequences. One of the consequences will be that our competitors and adversaries will take us for knaves instead of fools, or even worse, will recognize that we are fools after all.”

Russia is in crisis, but Russia always is in crisis. Russia has a brutal government, but Russia always has had a brutal government, and by every indication, the people of Russia nonetheless seem to like their government. If they want a different sort of government, let them establish one; what sort of government they prefer is not the business of the United States. America’s attempt to shape Russia’s destiny, starting with the Clinton Administration’s sponsorship of the feckless, drunk and corrupt Boris Yeltsin, had baleful results. So did the State Department’s attempt to manipulate events in Ukraine in 2004 and 2014.

That’s why President Trump’s tweet this morning is entirely correct. Once again, it is refreshing to hear an American president cut through the cant and tell the unvarnished truth.
Trump is right about who?s to blame for bad relations with Russia | Asia Times

It's just all finger pointing, and no self reflection that is coming from the 'Libbie elite' and the self proclaimed 'Establishment'. Reap what you have sown.

**Topper** · 20-07-2018, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

actually you sound more retarded, but again you never been too bright

Ah...you can do better than that butters.....

**Dragonfly** · 20-07-2018, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by CSFFan

Ah...you can do better than that butters.....

you are not worth it

**AntRobertson** · 20-07-2018, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Simple question for you anti Trump conspiracy nutters, if the intelligence agencies new about Russian interference in the election and Obama was aware, why did they do nothing about it.

Simple answer: they did.

The Obama administration became aware and levied sanctions against Russia. Russian officials met with Trump transition people to discuss these. That’s part of Mueller’s investigation.

How can you not be aware of these basic facts.

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