Thread: Mueller's Russian Interference investigation

Originally Posted by Humbert

Oh, now I see why you are an expert on US intel.

We are talking about your habit of drawing conclusions from cherry picked facts. Intel is never right all of the time but that is not a logical basis for concluding that since they were wrong in the past they will always be wrong. You fellows love to cite facts out of context, exaggerate their meaning and importance and jump to false conclusions. Of course because it works for the Orange [at][at][at][at] you simply ape the tactic.


Intel services are not the ones to blame entirely. Politicians and military leaders are the ones who make decisions based on intel. Intel deals in probabilities not certainties.

I can give you specifics or I can generalize. Specifically there are thousands if examples of intelligence failures in Vietnam in my own experience and they add up to a failed war effort in general. In my experience Korean intelligence was better and British intelligence in Malayan emergency not as good. I doubt if you have ever been involved in a war but some of us were in a position to evaluate the intelligence operations of our wartime governments.

Looking at the WMD fiasco or the Comey thing I believe we can draw the conclusion that at least the present day intelligence services have become politicized. Intelligence officers regularly make the rounds of CNN and the left wing TV shows and bash the commander and chief. Does this go on in MI5 or the Mossad?

Originally Posted by mark45y

Intelligence officers regularly make the rounds of CNN and the left wing TV shows and bash the commander and chief. Does this go on in MI5 or the Mossad?

Former ones do make the rounds, as they're considered subject experts. Currently employed intelligence officers are not allowed to talk with the press under any circumstances, it's up to the head of the agency to determine what's released to the press.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Well I’m starting to enjoy your stories.

Although I’m struggling to contextualize this one with your being a businessman, receiving citations from the Clintons, and a professor of economics at a black womens college.

Clinton wrote me to thank me for getting jobs for young black women. I didn't teach economics at the black school and never said I did. I said I was a professor and department head but I never talked about what I taught and it wasn't economics. In the Army I was a reference person at the daily staff briefings USARV Long Binh and traveled frequently to U-Tapao to coordinate search and rescue efforts. I was in country 1968 and 1969. Not a Rambo type. They took anyone with a masters and put them in administrative work when possible. WWII was fought with officers from Eastern hi so universities and Vietnam with guys from the Midwest. I never imagined I would have that much responsibility at 22 years of age.

Look, I’m not saying that you’re a troll and that you and your stories are full ‘o shite and riddled with inconsistencies.

Some people might though.

Originally Posted by CSFFan

Former ones do make the rounds, as they're considered subject experts. Currently employed intelligence officers are not allowed to talk with the press under any circumstances, it's up to the head of the agency to determine what's released to the press.

Ya sure. If the boss does it do your really have any confidence that all the flunkies don't?

• Former FBI Director James Comey leaked memos written shortly after his conversations with President Trump.
• The memos were released on Thursday by the Justice Department following requests from House Republican leaders.
• Two of the memos he shared with a friend are now considered classified, prompting the Justice Department's watchdog to review the matter

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/20/come...ation-wsj.html

You realize none of that actually supports your contention, right?

^ He is just a full stop liar and if he is not then he is brainwashed like repeater666.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

You realize none of that actually supports your contention, right?

The former Director of the FBI said on BBC that while he was director he leaked the memos because he knew better than the president what best for the country. Clapper and the other intelligence heads made the rounds of the news shows shortly after they resigned and time period was so short and their connections so current that it made no difference if they were technically employed by the intelligence community everyone knew they were speaking for the intelligence community.

Originally Posted by bsnub

^ He is just a full stop liar and if he is not then he is brainwashed like repeater666.

Call me a liar if you quote the lie. Comey leaked confidential memos to be shared with the media while he was director of the CIA. Clapper is on TV every day it is assumed he speaks for the intelligence community. Normally the Publications review board would check all information released to the media by past intelligence operatives. Now an exception is made if it is anti Trump in content (my conclusion).

The former director: emphasis added for your benefit. You claimed that intelligence officials regularly make the TV rounds and as CSS pointed out that’s not actually correct.

Comey, his memos, and the reasons for them being released has been covered ad nauseum and is not an example of what you claim it is. Total non sequitur. And even if it were it’s the exception and not the rule.

So again: what you claimed was incorrect and what you posted in support of it doesn’t actually support it.

Now you’re just shifting the posts.

You were incorrect on a relatively small and insignificant point. Why not just accept that and move on. All this obfuscation and logic gymnastics seems like wasted energy to me.

good point mark45, don't expect the anti-Trump snowflakes here to be honorable or logical in their arguments, they are simply blinded by their own kool aid propaganda, in particular bsnob, our resident liar and intellectual fraud, still living in his mum basement with his PS4 in hand

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Now you’re just shifting the posts.

You were incorrect on a relatively small and insignificant point. Why not just accept that and move on. All this obfuscation and logic gymnastics seems like wasted energy to me.

You are being pedantic. I was interviewed by the newspaper after I got out of the Army. They didn't want to interview me because I didn't know about Vietnam. The same is true with the intelligence officers they offer current intelligence information. In my way of thinking it should be 5 years at least before they get on TV.

I’m not the one being pedantic Mark. Anyways oh well, clearly you simply don’t llike to admit when you’re wrong. I shall just make a mental note for future reference that you lack intellectual honesty and integrity and move on.

Originally Posted by mark45y

Normally the Publications review board would check all information released to the media by past intelligence operatives.

They still do you numpty.

https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/publications-review-board

The instutitions you are trying to break down are still in place.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Now you’re just shifting the posts.

You were incorrect on a relatively small and insignificant point. Why not just accept that and move on. All this obfuscation and logic gymnastics seems like wasted energy to me.

DIRECTOR NSA JAMES R. CLAPPER INTERVIEW WITH

ANDREA MITCHELL, NBC NEWS CHIEF FOREIGN AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT

LIBERTY CROSSING, TYSONS CORNER, VA

JUNE 8, 2013

Sorry I was correct I should have known. Next time I'll look first before I let you guys talk me down.

Originally Posted by mark45y

Now, the Intel Committee’s report found that Clapper, quote, admitted to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence in private testimony that he briefed CNN’s Jake Tapper in early January of 2017. This was shortly before Trump’s inauguration. Tapper along with two other journalists, so-called journalists...

I don't know if the above is true or not. See, I tell you if I don't know. Might be one of those Russian troll things. Anyone know?

I've forgotten your point...could you please restate it please?

Originally Posted by mark45y

Intelligence officers regularly make the rounds of CNN and the left wing TV shows and bash the commander and chief.

Originally Posted by mark45y

DIRECTOR NSA JAMES R. CLAPPER INTERVIEW WITH

ANDREA MITCHELL, NBC NEWS CHIEF FOREIGN AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT

LIBERTY CROSSING, TYSONS CORNER, VA

JUNE 8, 2013

Sorry I was correct I should have known. Next time I'll look first before I let you guys talk me down.

And now the posts are shifted over ................. here.

Keep digging that hole buddy. It’s amusing the extent those lacking intellectual honesty and integrity will go just to avoid having to admit they are wrong.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

And now the posts are shifted over ................. here.

Keep digging that hole buddy. It’s amusing the extent those lacking intellectual honesty and integrity will go just to avoid having to admit they are wrong.

"Intelligence officers regularly make the rounds of CNN and the left wing TV shows and bash the commander and chief." That is a 100% accurate statement. I didn't say retired or fired or active or inactive now did I? (makes no difference as that's not my point) I had forgotten how pedantic internet posting with a bunch of pendants can be. My point was the intelligence community has been politicized. That it has is a matter of public record in varying degrees of Trump bashing before senate committees and the BBC and CNN.

Originally Posted by CSFFan

I've forgotten your point...could you please restate it please?

The intelligence community is no longer loyal to the commander and chief, they have become politicized and susceptible to bias. They never were to bright now we have to add bias to stupidity. Does MI5 and Mossad have these problems?

Originally Posted by mark45y

The intelligence community is no longer loyal to the commander and chief [sic], they have become politicized and susceptible to bias.

Commander-in-chief, you illiterate boob.

Originally Posted by happynz

Commander-in-chief, you illiterate boob.

That is a very important point and well worth insulting me for. You must not be very happy in NZ. I was watching Master and Commander and got carried away.