Thread: Israel will never withdraw from Golan Heights - Netanyahu

Originally Posted by OhOh

-Why did the pipe break?
-Was it a deliberate act by "somebody", was is caused by lack of maintenance, was it planned maintenance that just happened to occur when the water was most needed?
-.... the local Palestinians actually agreed that it was fixed and the problem solved?
-Any video of delighted Palestinian citizens dancing with joy at the now flood of water casing flooding in the so called, Israel media, "territories"?
-Any statement from the Israeli-Palestinian Joint Water Committee to confirm the solution is now working?
-Or should one blindly parrot one biased publication?
-How does the 350L/day usage compare to other ME usage?

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Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Of course whatever those dirty stinging Jews say it is not to be believed ,whilst these days its very fashionable to take ever word the Pali's say as the gospel COGAT: West Bank water supply to Palestinians increased, not decreased - Arab-Israeli Conflict - Jerusalem Post

Yes it must be heartbreaking to belive anybody other than the jerusalem Post, such an unbiased publication.

Contrary to Indy charge, Israel INCREASED water supply to Palestinians during Ramadan (Updated)


The latest smear against Israel in the British media involves a distortion used repeatedly by mainstream media outlets, NGOs and pro-Palestinian propagandists: the charge that Israel cruelly uses water as a weapon against innocent Palestinian civilians, cruelly denying the population an adequate supply.

However, even by the levels of inaccuracy we’re accustomed to, the following headline and photo at The Independent represents an especially egregious example of agitprop being sold as ‘real news’:

Though there is much in the article (by Peter Yeung) that’s misleading or inaccurate, we’ll focus on the most sensational charges.

We’ll get to the charge in the headline soon, but, to start, here’s the broad charge in the opening sentence:

Israel has cut off the water supply to large areas of the West Bank, Palestinian authorities have claimed.

Though an updated Indy version of the story noted COGAT’s response regarding a temporary shortage (a couple of hours) due to a burst pipe line, COGAT (the Israeli authority in the territories) has informed us (in a series of emails) that the Indy did not publish the most relevant information. COGAT explained that, due to increased usage during the summer months, Mekorot (Israel’s water carrier) was forced to reduce the overall supply to ALL areas of the West Bank – including in Jewish communities.

We sent an email to Mekorot, who then confirmed to us the increased demand during the summer months has resulted in shortages in the West Bank “to Israeli settlements and Palestinian areas“. A resident in an Israeli community in Samaria who we spoke to confirmed that the shortages have indeed affected Jewish communities.

Now, here’s the charge in the article which was the basis of the headline:

Tens of thousands of Palestinians have reportedly been left without access to safe drinking water during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, a period of fasting, at a time when temperatures can exceed 35C.

This is, at best, extraordinarily misleading.

We’ve been in touch with COGAT, who told us that, in order to accommodate Palestinians during Ramadan, when Muslims can’t drink water during the day, “the water supply has been increased during night-time in order to meet the needs of the residents”.

COGAT additionally noted to us that, beginning at the start of Ramadan, on June 6-7, “the water supply to Hebron and Bethlehem [was] expanded [by] 5,000 cubic meters per day in order to meet the needs of the residents“.

So, to clarify, in summer months, the consumption of water naturally increases.

The water carrier can’t keep up with this increased consumption, so residents (both Muslims AND Jews) experience a shortage. Quite simply, the demand exceeds supply.

However, to make up for this shortage and, most importantly, to address the changing water needs of Palestinian Muslims during the holiday of Ramadan, Israel INCREASED the amount of available water to the Hebron and Bethlehem communities, and INCREASED the amount of available water during the night, the time when religious Muslims will need it the most.

So, the Indy’s charge that Israel malevolently “cut off water” to Palestinian Muslims during the month of Ramadan is pretty much the opposite of the truth.

Here’s an alternative Indy headline, one which would more accurately reflect the facts.

UPDATE:
Mekorot just replied to a specific follow-up question we asked late in the morning. As you can see, though it adds more details about the cause of the shortages, it’s fully consistent with the information we received from COGAT. The issue (affecting both Jews and Palestinians in the West Bank) is one of supply and demand, not an arbitrary decision by Israel to reduce the amount of water for Palestinians on Ramadan.

Water consumption in the area has greatly increased during this period of the year and the water sources have decreased this year compared to last year due to the declining water level in the mountain aquifer, and therefore we have been compelled to reduce the water supply to all consumers.https://ukmediawatch.org/2016/06/16/...uring-ramadan/

Originally Posted by ENT

“the water supply to Hebron and Bethlehem [was] expanded [by] 5,000 cubic meters per day in order to meet the needs of the residents“.

One needs to know how many people this supply is for. Do the Palestinians get 1ltr/person and the Jews 1,000 ltr/person?

Originally Posted by ENT

Israel INCREASED the amount of available water to the Hebron and Bethlehem communities, and INCREASED the amount of available water during the night, the time when religious Muslims will need it the most.

Do the palestionians live in the two named communities or was the increased supply for the Jews "beautiful parks"?

Originally Posted by ENT

The issue (affecting both Jews and Palestinians in the West Bank) is one of supply and demand, not an arbitrary decision by Israel

It appears to be an annual problem that the Jewish water supply company has not invested in a larger network or supply over the years. Or have the invested enough for the Jews to be able to live at one water usage level and the palestinians are reduced to standpipes and rationing.

Nowhere in the original article or your updates actually clarifies any of the above. As I posted there does appear to be a joint Jewish/Palestionian body tasked with this management. There doesn't appear to be any factual comments from them.

As such again the charge could be justified or, if not, be clarified by polling the Palestinians/Jews for their opinion, a comment from the joint management group or much much better reporting.

At the moment we have articles with too many weasel words to form a position of who is to blame. Most people just pay, in some way or another, for water to be supplied to their homes. When it doesn't appear they are rightly angry.

Or have you a way of providing your own water supply?

There's a joint Jewish-Palestinian water supply authority seemingly functioning.

How effective it is in achieving its goals I don't know, other than discussions currently are focused on repairing and upgrading a patchwork of pipes both sabotaged, illegally tapped and legally tacked together for generations.

The water supply is getting worse with diminishing clean water resources available as sewage and sea water penetrates what's left of the Palestine aquifers.

Desalination of sea water is probably the best option for coastal Israel including Gaza, but its going to take co-operation not rockets for Gazan's to get anything along those lines up and running.

After the Oslo accord which included water rights, 31 billion dollars donated to the PA has mostly just disappeared, unaccounted for, while developing a decent infrastructure has taken a back seat and Palestinians have, of course blamed Israel for their financial problems.

Where has all the money gone to?

There are more than 1700 millionaires in Gaza alone!

The richest man is of course, a Palestinian from a refugee camp.

When Muslims cease to be rogues and criminals ripping off their own people habitually, pigs will fly and the world will develop peacefully and fairly.

Originally Posted by ENT

We sent an email to Mekorot, who then confirmed to us the increased demand during the summer months has resulted in shortages in the West Bank “to Israeli settlements and Palestinian areas“. A resident in an Israeli community in Samaria who we spoke to confirmed that the shortages have indeed affected Jewish communities.

Maybe the truth. After all, water mains that feed Palestinian communities may also feed some Israeli settlements. Colateral damage. Did Mekorot happen to mention that the Jewish settlements affected were supplied by truck for free? Did Mekorot happen to mention that water mains that supplied Israeli settlements but not Palestinians were not rationed?


Then there's this, which sort of makes a lie of the whole water shortage claim:
How Israel became a water superpower | The Times of Israel

About 60% of Israel's natural water (as opposed to re-claimed water and desalinated water) is sourced from OCCUPIED territory. This is blatant theft and in contravention of the Geneva Convention.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

. Did Mekorot happen to mention that the Jewish settlements affected were supplied by truck for free? Did Mekorot happen to mention that water mains that supplied Israeli settlements but not Palestinians were not rationed?

Link?

Originally Posted by ENT

There are more than 1700 millionaires in Gaza alone!

Sheesh...there are, too !

https://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/2...ot-rich-quick/

Here is another report from RT, obviously suggesting other reasons like preferential Jewish supplies, increased volumes of water assigned to Jews as opposed to palestinians. Poor supply management ......

https://www.rt.com/news/347858-israe...st-bank-water/

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Maanaam

. Did Mekorot happen to mention that the Jewish settlements affected were supplied by truck for free? Did Mekorot happen to mention that water mains that supplied Israeli settlements but not Palestinians were not rationed?

Link?

If it's not in the JP it's lies eh?

No reference to that yet.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Here is another report from RT, obviously suggesting other reasons like preferential Jewish supplies, increased volumes of water assigned to Jews as opposed to palestinians. Poor supply management ......

https://www.rt.com/news/347858-israe...st-bank-water/

Poor supply management is so.

Sabotage of lines included.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by OhOh

Here is another report from RT, obviously suggesting other reasons like preferential Jewish supplies, increased volumes of water assigned to Jews as opposed to palestinians. Poor supply management ......

https://www.rt.com/news/347858-israe...st-bank-water/

Poor supply management is so.

Sabotage of lines included.

Send more money , send more money

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Maanaam

. Did Mekorot happen to mention that the Jewish settlements affected were supplied by truck for free? Did Mekorot happen to mention that water mains that supplied Israeli settlements but not Palestinians were not rationed?

Link?

If it's not in the JP it's lies eh?

No.

Just back up the claims.

Originally Posted by ENT

Poor supply management is so

Is "so" what? The jews are responsible for the supply.

Originally Posted by ENT

Sabotage of lines included.

Got a link to the event, the perpetrators and the outcome of the trial? Or just hearsay/prejudice?

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