Thread: Israel will never withdraw from Golan Heights - Netanyahu

Originally Posted by sabang

Palestinians are the descendants of the Canaanites,

Absolute nonesense!

There are no descendants of the Canaanites.

They died out or were assimilated more than 2,500 years ago.

Canaan included what today are Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, northwestern Jordan, and some western areas of Syria. According to archaeologist Jonathan N. Tubb, "Ammonites, Moabites, Israelites and Phoenicians undoubtedly achieved their own cultural identities, and yet ethnically they were all Canaanites", "the same people who settled in farming villages in the region in the 8th millennium BC."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan#Later_sources

Originally Posted by sabang

Canaan included what today are Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, northwestern Jordan, and some western areas of Syria. According to archaeologist Jonathan N. Tubb, "Ammonites, Moabites, Israelites and Phoenicians undoubtedly achieved their own cultural identities, and yet ethnically they were all Canaanites", "the same people who settled in farming villages in the region in the 8th millennium BC."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan#Later_sources

All past tense.

So no Canaanites exist today....

Other than 'Israelites',.......

Palestinians, Lebanese, Jordanians, Syrians, Israelites- all are at least partially descended from Canaanites.

Aramaic survived to become the dominant language of the middle east during the time of jesus. There are even more aramaic words in the new testament than hebrew. Many palestinian customs and costumes can be traced to the Canaanites genetic sampling has shown that most of the population of palestine and israel are of western semitic origin ( J1) which is shared with jews.

in a way , the Canaanites adopted the dominant hebrew form of the culture, then switched to Aramaic during greco roman times and then Arabic after the Arab conquest.
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...0145013AACuHXy

Oh yeh, but there's no such thing as a Palestinian right? Scoff. Closer to the truth to say there is no such thing as an Israeli- because the diaspora Jews interbred with the various dominant cultures they migrated to or the tribes they converted (eg Kazars), while the Jews that remained in Palestine interbred with the other natives, apart from a tiny rump that remained distinctly Hebrew.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by Fluke

Palestinians going to live on traditional Jewish land .

Ohh fooking hell another one spreading the lie.

Why do you idiots conflate religion with nationality and race?

If you are going to be abusive , I have no interest in conversing with you

Remember Fluke - there is "No flaming or abuse allowed" in Speakers Corner.

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Remember Fluke - there is "No flaming or abuse allowed" in Speakers Corner.

Yeah but that does not apply to left wing Jew hating Islamic arse kissers

The Phoenicians, the Hebrew tribes of Dan and Mannaseh who stayed up in Tyre and Sydon, Lebanon, were Canaanites and referred to themselves as Kananim

Originally Posted by ENT

The Phoenicians, the Hebrew tribes of Dan and Mannaseh who stayed up in Tyre and Sydon, Lebanon, were Canaanites and referred to themselves as Kananim

I thought that this thread was about why those dirty stinking thieving Jews are holding on to land they took took off the Arabs who sought to wipe them of the face of the Earth ,Sabang will talk about anyting rather than give a reason why the combined Arab Armys fought the 6 day war with Israel , you said it before ,the Arabs wanted to annihilate the Israeli's its that fucking simple .

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Hey Sabang , Wtf has all that bollox got to do as to the real reason why Israel took over territory previously held by their Arab adversary's

When France took over Alsace Lorraine after WW2, the residents automatically became French citizens.
When Czech took over the Sudeten after WW2, the residents became Czech citizens.
When Poland was granted large parts of Silesia after WW2, the residents became Polish citizens.
When Jordan annexed the West Bank of Palestine, the residents became Jordanian citizens.
American Indians, Australian Aboriginals, Canadian Innuit- all citizens of their respective countries. With all of the Rights and obligations that entails.

But Israel has been illegally occupying Palestine, and systematically colonising it, for 50 years- and, what? One State, or Two? Wake up, quit dreaming.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Hey Sabang , Wtf has all that bollox got to do as to the real reason why Israel took over territory previously held by their Arab adversary's

When France took over Alsace Lorraine after WW2, the residents automatically became French citizens.
When Czech took over the Sudeten after WW2, the residents became Czech citizens.
When Poland was granted large parts of Silesia after WW2, the residents became Polish citizens.
When Jordan annexed the West Bank of Palestine, the residents became Jordanian citizens.
American Indians, Australian Aboriginals, Canadian Innuit- all citizens of their respective countries. With all of the Rights and obligations that entails.

But Israel has been illegally occupying Palestine, and systematically colonising it, for 50 years- and, what? One State, or Two? Wake up, quit dreaming.

You left out this bit.

Israel gives all it's residents, citizens or not, the freedom to live there peacefully and to be themselves, if they support the society they live in, namely Israel.

Israeli citizenship, upon application and approval, is awarded to any resident of Israel who supports Israel and abides peacefully by its laws.

If some Arabs (usually Muslims), or others insist on living in Israel without supporting it, but disrupting it instead, they can expect to be prosecuted by the state or moved on.

I'd be kicked out of Thailand if I so much as raised a peep against its rulers.

Oh,...mistah bleeding heart...by the way....

China's been illegally occupying Tibet and Xinchiang for more than 50 years, massacred thousands there and continually represses the ethnic peoples there, committing genocide as it clears out whole villages and districts of people to make way for Han expansion, but not a whimper from the likes of you Jew bashers, eh.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Hey Sabang , Wtf has all that bollox got to do as to the real reason why Israel took over territory previously held by their Arab adversary's

When France took over Alsace Lorraine after WW2, the residents automatically became French citizens.
When Czech took over the Sudeten after WW2, the residents became Czech citizens.
When Poland was granted large parts of Silesia after WW2, the residents became Polish citizens.
When Jordan annexed the West Bank of Palestine, the residents became Jordanian citizens.
American Indians, Australian Aboriginals, Canadian Innuit- all citizens of their respective countries. With all of the Rights and obligations that entails.

But Israel has been illegally occupying Palestine, and systematically colonising it, for 50 years- and, what? One State, or Two? Wake up, quit dreaming.

You are still evading the the simple question , What was the combined Arab Army's intentions, not just in the 6 day war but in the Yom Kippur one too? ,There is so much overwhelming evidence out there as to just what they had in mind, and that was to commit genocide ,you talk about right's ,do you really in your wildest dreams think the the Israeli's would have been afforded any if the Arabs under Nasser had won? "the sand red with blood" and all the other quotes coming from them which you steadfastly refuse to look at or even mention , when you get 3 year old Hamas kids watching Micky mouse cartoons on TV saying all Jews are apes and pigs and young 6/7 year old Hamas kids marching round with paramilitary uniforms on and wearing fake suicide belts on saying they want to be a martyr and kill Jews looked on by their proud doting parents ,or Hezbollah or the crackpot rulers of Iran ,or the Oil rich Arab states handing out Millions to any group that will take it up against Israel you should get the feeling that its not just about land , nah far from that ,its their pathological hatred for the Jewish people , and frankly any one thinking any different is sadly deluded .

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Psue...there are no Americans...just citizens of America , correct ?

I made the point because in israel there is a distinct barely surprising difference. If you can drag yourself away from a Murdoch media outlet go and have a look.

Originally Posted by Fluke

interest in conversing with you

Cheer up Flake - I wasn't being rude, but treating your comment with the complete and utter disdain that it deserves. If you are going to spout 100% debunked lies and expect to be taken seriously than you will be sorely mistaken.

This is an excellent article by the bible of the left "The Guardian" (which I read every day) it just confirms my opinion that this perpetual struggle is not really about land at all, cos that is just window dressing for the deluded masses and sells newspaper's ,do you out there think in your wildest dreams if the Israelis gave in to the PA's demands that the whole Arab world and Iran would stop hating them? its a fucking joke , here is the article for the likes of Sabang to completely ignore ,as he does everything else he himself does not agree with The Israel-Palestine conflict is not just about land. It?s a bitter religious war | Anshel Pfeffer | Opinion | The Guardian

Originally Posted by piwanoi

The Israel-Palestine conflict is not just about land. It?s a bitter religious war

Of course it is, always has been.

If ya wanna go really trendy lefty about it all quote Zapata;

"The land belongs to those who work it with their hands."

One only has to look at the perpetual "Struggle" between the different Islamic sects in indifferent Muslim Countries ,Hey Sabang is that about land too?, FFS get a grip

^^^ Great quote, ENT !

Originally Posted by sabang

It's actually a decent article. Of course it is about land- I mean d'ohh, if it isn't then why is the Israeli government systematically colonising Palestine with illegal settlers? But for several people it is also about religion (as the article states, 'hopefully a minority'). As the article also points out, there has been an increase in this sort of religious nutcase rhetoric, from both sides. This is entirely in accord with what I have stated in this very thread- the nutters are stealing the discourse, on both sides.

It is not the nutters who will make peace- it is the silent majority, the reasonable people. At this point, whether that consists of a one or two state solution I would suggest Israel decide for itself in a democratic fashion- ie by holding a national Referendum. That is a lot better than what is happening now, whereby the Israeli government and illegal settler movement is creating the facts on the ground, thereby systematically eliminating any realistic possibility of a two state solution. This, with effectively no consultation with the Israeli people (or obviously, the Palestinian). Only nutcases believe that the ethnic cleansing of Palestine &/or the genocide of Palestinians is a realistic option, and only loonies believe that the destruction of Israel is. Neither of them is going anywhere.

Worth a read.

So the headline is a load of Bollox eh ,and Religion does not come into it ,its just about land!!! and The Silent Majority? the Israeli Govt has been elected , Check out how long is it since the silent majority in Gaza have had a democratic vote , and its now been shelved indefinitely ,when peace comes to Gaza and Hamas the Arab gravy train to them will hit the buffers its that simple .

Originally Posted by piwanoi

So the headline is a load of Bollox eh ,and Religion does not come into it ,its just about land!!!

No, but you are a senile load of bollox. Considering that you have quoted my post in your own, and I very obviously did not state that at all, you are obviously not interested in hiding the fact either.

But lets get to the bottom line. Are you stating that you believe that the ethnic cleansing of Palestine of it's indigenous people &/or the genocide of the Palestinians is a realistic option? A simple yes or no will suffice. I assume that you believe the destruction of Israel isn't.

And what is your objection to Israel holding a national Referendum on the matter? Something against democracy?