Thread: Israel will never withdraw from Golan Heights - Netanyahu

Originally Posted by Neverna

Let me make it easier for you to comprehend, ENT.

Originally Posted by ENT

The remaining 23% of British mandate Palestine was then further divided by the UN (1947) to create the State of Israel,

The highlighted part = rubbish/nonsense/fiction.

No mate - you got that wrong there. ADL literature clearly states that that happened so it must have, because they never lie.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by Neverna

Let me make it easier for you to comprehend, ENT.

Originally Posted by ENT

The remaining 23% of British mandate Palestine was then further divided by the UN (1947) to create the State of Israel,

The highlighted part = rubbish/nonsense/fiction.

No mate - you got that wrong there. ADL literature clearly states that that happened so it must have, because they never lie.

And ENT posted it on the internet so that makes 2 different sources. Just shows how wonderful this interweb thingy is. Make "truth" from fiction.

This is the point where ENT just starts doubling-down on his dribble and obfuscating rather than admitting that he's wrong.

I'm calling this one... In the battle of the tin-foil nutters pseudo emerges victorious having easily dislodged ENT's foiled dome, reshaped it as a dunce cone, and wedged it back on his head.

Can't accept that - it would be like accepting a worlds brainiest bloke prize as judged by a fecking imbecile

Ok. It's a draw then.

Just a pile of scrumpled tinfoil lying on the ground.

Can't accept that. It's like accepting a equal first Fair Play award from Richie mccaw and tana omanga.

Shit analogy.

Can't accept that because McCheat and Omanga are a couple of grubs, so their ability to award a fair play award is tainted by the fact that they wouldn'tknow fair play if it bit them on their tattoo'd arse.

Your judgment is tainted by the fact you're English.

You don't know what world class rugby players are.

Originally Posted by sabang

I suppose that next you will try telling us "there is no such thing as a Palestinian". By way of interest, the word is derived from the Greek word for Philistine. It was first used in a regional, rather than tribal sense I believe, when Palestine ('Palastina') was part of the Roman Empire, during the reign of Augustus Caesar. About the time JC walked the earth.

Yes, correct. It was aptly named Judea by the Romans meaning the land of Jews.
That was prior to the Romans conquering that land and renaming it while outlawing the freedom of Jews to worship. History is funny that way.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Your judgment is tainted by the fact you're English.

You don't know what world class rugby players are.

Can't accept that. Rugby was invented by the English, and therefore only we can identify what world class players are like in the same way that only English people can comment on the English language.

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

It was aptly named Judea by the Romans meaning the land of Jews.

No it wasn't. Judea came from Kingdom of Judah, and Judah was a bloke not a group of people who followed the same religion.

The Palestine Mandate

The Council of the League of Nations:

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;

confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:

ARTICLE 1.

The Mandatory shall have full powers of legislation and of administration, save as they may be limited by the terms of this mandate.

ART. 2.

The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

ART. 3.

The Mandatory shall, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy.

ART. 4.

An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

ART. 5.

The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power.

ART. 6.

The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

ART. 7.

The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

ART. 8.

The privileges and immunities of foreigners, including the benefits of consular jurisdiction and protection as formerly enjoyed by Capitulation or usage in the Ottoman Empire, shall not be applicable in Palestine.

Unless the Powers whose nationals enjoyed the afore-mentioned privileges and immunities on August 1st, 1914, shall have previously renounced the right to their re-establishment, or shall have agreed to their non-application for a specified period, these privileges and immunities shall, at the expiration of the mandate, be immediately reestablished in their entirety or with such modifications as may have been agreed upon between the Powers concerned.

ART. 9.

The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that the judicial system established in Palestine shall assure to foreigners, as well as to natives, a complete guarantee of their rights.

Respect for the personal status of the various peoples and communities and for their religious interests shall be fully guaranteed. In particular, the control and administration of Wakfs shall be exercised in accordance with religious law and the dispositions of the founders.

ART. 10.

Pending the making of special extradition agreements relating to Palestine, the extradition treaties in force between the Mandatory and other foreign Powers shall apply to Palestine.

ART. 11.

The Administration of Palestine shall take all necessary measures to safeguard the interests of the community in connection with the development of the country, and, subject to any international obligations accepted by the Mandatory, shall have full power to provide for public ownership or control of any of the natural resources of the country or of the public works, services and utilities established or to be established therein. It shall introduce a land system appropriate to the needs of the country, having regard, among other things, to the desirability of promoting the close settlement and intensive cultivation of the land.

The Administration may arrange with the Jewish agency mentioned in Article 4 to construct or operate, upon fair and equitable terms, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration. Any such arrangements shall provide that no profits distributed by such agency, directly or indirectly, shall exceed a reasonable rate of interest on the capital, and any further profits shall be utilised by it for the benefit of the country in a manner approved by the Administration.

ART. 12.

The Mandatory shall be entrusted with the control of the foreign relations of Palestine and the right to issue exequaturs to consuls appointed by foreign Powers. He shall also be entitled to afford diplomatic and consular protection to citizens of Palestine when outside its territorial limits.

ART. 13.

All responsibility in connection with the Holy Places and religious buildings or sites in Palestine, including that of preserving existing rights and of securing free access to the Holy Places, religious buildings and sites and the free exercise of worship, while ensuring the requirements of public order and decorum, is assumed by the Mandatory, who shall be responsible solely to the League of Nations in all matters connected herewith, provided that nothing in this article shall prevent the Mandatory from entering into such arrangements as he may deem reasonable with the Administration for the purpose of carrying the provisions of this article into effect; and provided also that nothing in this mandate shall be construed as conferring upon the Mandatory authority to interfere with the fabric or the management of purely Moslem sacred shrines, the immunities of which are guaranteed.

ART. 14.

A special commission shall be appointed by the Mandatory to study, define and determine the rights and claims in connection with the Holy Places and the rights and claims relating to the different religious communities in Palestine. The method of nomination, the composition and the functions of this Commission shall be submitted to the Council of the League for its approval, and the Commission shall not be appointed or enter upon its functions without the approval of the Council.

ART. 15.

The Mandatory shall see that complete freedom of conscience and the free exercise of all forms of worship, subject only to the maintenance of public order and morals, are ensured to all. No discrimination of any kind shall be made between the inhabitants of Palestine on the ground of race, religion or language. No person shall be excluded from Palestine on the sole ground of his religious belief.

The right of each community to maintain its own schools for the education of its own members in its own language, while conforming to such educational requirements of a general nature as the Administration may impose, shall not be denied or impaired.

ART. 16.

The Mandatory shall be responsible for exercising such supervision over religious or eleemosynary bodies of all faiths in Palestine as may be required for the maintenance of public order and good government. Subject to such supervision, no measures shall be taken in Palestine to obstruct or interfere with the enterprise of such bodies or to discriminate against any representative or member of them on the ground of his religion or nationality.

ART. 17.

The Administration of Palestine may organist on a voluntary basis the forces necessary for the preservation of peace and order, and also for the defence of the country, subject, however, to the supervision of the Mandatory, but shall not use them for purposes other than those above specified save with the consent of the Mandatory. Except for such purposes, no military, naval or air forces shall be raised or maintained by the Administration of Palestine.

Nothing in this article shall preclude the Administration of Palestine from contributing to the cost of the maintenance of the forces of the Mandatory in Palestine.

The Mandatory shall be entitled at all times to use the roads, railways and ports of Palestine for the movement of armed forces and the carriage of fuel and supplies.

ART. 18.

The Mandatory shall see that there is no discrimination in Palestine against the nationals of any State Member of the League of Nations (including companies incorporated under its laws) as compared with those of the Mandatory or of any foreign State in matters concerning taxation, commerce or navigation, the exercise of industries or professions, or in the treatment of merchant vessels or civil aircraft. Similarly, there shall be no discrimination in Palestine against goods originating in or destined for any of the said States, and there shall be freedom of transit under equitable conditions across the mandated area.

Subject as aforesaid and to the other provisions of this mandate, the Administration of Palestine may, on the advice of the Mandatory, impose such taxes and customs duties as it may consider necessary, and take such steps as it may think best to promote the development of the natural resources of the country and to safeguard the interests of the population. It may also, on the advice of the Mandatory, conclude a special customs agreement with any State the territory of which in 1914 was wholly included in Asiatic Turkey or Arabia.

ART. 19.

The Mandatory shall adhere on behalf of the Administration of Palestine to any general international conventions already existing, or which may be concluded hereafter with the approval of the League of Nations, respecting the slave traffic, the traffic in arms and ammunition, or the traffic in drugs, or relating to commercial equality, freedom of transit and navigation, aerial navigation and postal, telegraphic and wireless communication or literary, artistic or industrial property.

ART. 20.

The Mandatory shall co-operate on behalf of the Administration of Palestine, so far as religious, social and other conditions may permit, in the execution of any common policy adopted by the League of Nations for preventing and combating disease, including diseases of plants and animals.

ART. 21.

The Mandatory shall secure the enactment within twelve months from this date, and shall ensure the execution of a Law of Antiquities based on the following rules. This law shall ensure equality of treatment in the matter of excavations and archaeological research to the nationals of all States Members of the League of Nations.

(1) "Antiquity" means any construction or any product of human activity earlier than the year 1700 A. D.

(2) The law for the protection of antiquities shall proceed by encouragement rather than by threat.

Any person who, having discovered an antiquity without being furnished with the authorization referred to in paragraph 5, reports the same to an official of the competent Department, shall be rewarded according to the value of the discovery.

(3) No antiquity may be disposed of except to the competent Department, unless this Department renounces the acquisition of any such antiquity.

No antiquity may leave the country without an export licence from the said Department.

(4) Any person who maliciously or negligently destroys or damages an antiquity shall be liable to a penalty to be fixed.

(5) No clearing of ground or digging with the object of finding antiquities shall be permitted, under penalty of fine, except to persons authorised by the competent Department.

(6) Equitable terms shall be fixed for expropriation, temporary or permanent, of lands which might be of historical or archaeological interest.

(7) Authorization to excavate shall only be granted to persons who show sufficient guarantees of archaeological experience. The Administration of Palestine shall not, in granting these authorizations, act in such a way as to exclude scholars of any nation without good grounds.

(8) The proceeds of excavations may be divided between the excavator and the competent Department in a proportion fixed by that Department. If division seems impossible for scientific reasons, the excavator shall receive a fair indemnity in lieu of a part of the find.

ART. 22.

English, Arabic and Hebrew shall be the official languages of Palestine. Any statement or inscription in Arabic on stamps or money in Palestine shall be repeated in Hebrew and any statement or inscription in Hebrew shall be repeated in Arabic.

ART. 23.

The Administration of Palestine shall recognise the holy days of the respective communities in Palestine as legal days of rest for the members of such communities.

ART. 24.

The Mandatory shall make to the Council of the League of Nations an annual report to the satisfaction of the Council as to the measures taken during the year to carry out the provisions of the mandate. Copies of all laws and regulations promulgated or issued during the year shall be communicated with the report.

ART. 25.

In the territories lying between the Jordan and the eastern boundary of Palestine as ultimately determined, the Mandatory shall be entitled, with the consent of the Council of the League of Nations, to postpone or withhold application of such provisions of this mandate as he may consider inapplicable to the existing local conditions, and to make such provision for the administration of the territories as he may consider suitable to those conditions, provided that no action shall be taken which is inconsistent with the provisions of Articles 15, 16 and 18.

ART. 26.

The Mandatory agrees that, if any dispute whatever should arise between the Mandatory and another member of the League of Nations relating to the interpretation or the application of the provisions of the mandate, such dispute, if it cannot be settled by negotiation, shall be submitted to the Permanent Court of International Justice provided for by Article 14 of the Covenant of the League of Nations.

ART. 27.

The consent of the Council of the League of Nations is required for any modification of the terms of this mandate.

ART. 28.

In the event of the termination of the mandate hereby conferred upon the Mandatory, the Council of the League of Nations shall make such arrangements as may be deemed necessary for safeguarding in perpetuity, under guarantee of the League, the rights secured by Articles 13 and 14, and shall use its influence for securing, under the guarantee of the League, that the Government of Palestine will fully honour the financial obligations legitimately incurred by the Administration of Palestine during the period of the mandate, including the rights of public servants to pensions or gratuities.

The present instrument shall be deposited in original in the archives of the League of Nations and certified copies shall be forwarded by the Secretary-General of the League of Nations to all members of the League.

Done at London the twenty-fourth day of July, one thousand nine hundred and twenty-two.

The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

Originally Posted by sabang

"The British mandate of Palestine" actually comprised the The Emirate of Transjordan, and Palestine. It was a British protectorate from 1921 to 1946. Transjordan became Jordan, Palestine became split into Palestine and Israel.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirat...ritish_control

During the period of the British protectorate, the British Army was required to conduct a regular census for the League of Nations- which included population figures for both the indigenous population, and Jews. There was no major pattern of Arab immigration to the region- this is one of the oldest (and most contemptible) zionist lies in the book. Population growth was entirely explained by internal factors, ie breeding. Except of course for Jewish immigration. Average life expectancy however rose considerably during the period, thanks no doubt to the introduction of western medicine and medical technology.

In early 1921, prior to the convening of the Cairo Conference, the Middle East Department of the Colonial Office set out the situation as follows:

Distinction to be drawn between Palestine and Trans-Jordan under the Mandate.

His Majesty's Government are responsible under the terms of the Mandate for establishing in Palestine a national home for the Jewish people.

They are also pledged by the assurances given to the Sherif of Mecca in 1915 to recognise and support the independence of the Arabs in those portions of the (Turkish) vilayet of Damascus in which they are free to act without detriment to French interests. The western boundary of the Turkish vilayet of Damascus before the war was the River Jordan.

Palestine and Trans-Jordan do not, therefore, stand upon quite the same footing. At the same time, the two areas are economically interdependent, and their development must be considered as a single problem. Further, His Majesty's Government have been entrusted with the Mandate for "Palestine."

If they wish to assert their claim to Trans-Jordan and to avoid raising with other Powers the legal status of that area, they can only do so by proceeding upon the assumption that Trans-Jordan forms part of the area covered by the Palestine Mandate.

In default of this assumption Trans-Jordan would be left, under article 132 of the Treaty of Sevres, to the disposal of the principal Allied Powers. Some means must be found of giving effect in Trans-Jordan to the terms of the Mandate consistently with "recognition and support of the independence of the Arabs".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britis..._Jewish_people

The British army census of Palestine was a farce with underestimations of illegal Arab Muslim immigrants abounding.

There are really no reliable figures from that period between 1922 and 1948, other than that there were 1.3 million Muslims and around 650,000 Jews in British mandate Palestine which includes Transjordan, in 1948, according to the British figures.

1914........94,000 Jews 70,000 Xtians 525,000 Muslims Total pop. = 689,000
1922........84,000 " 71,000 " 589,000 " " 752,000
1931......175,000 " 89,000 " 760,000 " " 1,033,000
1947......630,000 " 143,000 " 1,181,000 " " 1,970,000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...y_of_Palestine

Bear in mind that all the Jews in the above figures lived only in mandated Palestine west of the Jordan, while Arab/Muslims counted lived on both sides of the Jordan, as did Xtians.

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Under your supposition that the "Palestinians" should be bequethed the territory .

Bequeathed? What a funny way to put it. Almost surreal. If you were in your condo and a load of pakis moved in upstairs, then started knocking their way into your flat, raping your wife and kids along the way, killing your dog, so that you were eventually locked in the shower and couuld only survive on the pitiful calory counted rations pushed into the room, with daily beatings, no running water, no sanitation, no medication, no nothing.... how would you feel if some dick said that you getting your condo back was the pakis "Bequeathing it to you?

It is theirs. They are still there under brutal occupation. That occupation needs to end.


bequeathed - fucker swallowed a dictionary, but can't read or understand it because he is trying to see it by sticking his head up his arse.

Ahhh Coffee Coffee Coffee.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

It is theirs. They are still there under brutal occupation. That occupation needs to end.


bequeathed - fucker swallowed a dictionary, but can't read or understand it because he is trying to see it by sticking his head up his arse.

All pointless waffle pseudo.

And there's no brutal occupation going on in Israel, the little Arabs are well looked after there.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by pseudolus

It is theirs. They are still there under brutal occupation. That occupation needs to end.


bequeathed - fucker swallowed a dictionary, but can't read or understand it because he is trying to see it by sticking his head up his arse.

All pointless waffle pseudo.

And there's no brutal occupation going on in Israel, the little Arabs are well looked after there.

scary thing is that you probably believe that.

Nice peace loving lady protesting. What for? For peace? No, in her suppory for a brainwashed idf kiddie who murdered an injured man lying prostate on the ground, she demands that all Arabs are killed. She is the VIcTIM after all. Not that long ago that germans were holding similar signs up calling for the death of all jews - oh the irony, .

I suppose its safe to say that one could argue till the cows come home as to who signed what donkeys years ago and how the Israeli's acquired the Golon Heights and as to why they intend to keep it , however there is one simple fact that IMHO supersedes any notion that one could think of and that is the Israeli's and the West share a common enemy ,Islam , only the pathological haters of Jews such as a few choice members of TD cannot grasp this simple fact , the Word JIHAD means just the same to Israeli's as it does to the Western Infidels .

[QUOTE=pseudolus;3252940]
It is theirs. They are still there under brutal occupation. That occupation needs to end./QUOTE]

With your keen insight you've lost me.
Where exactly are you referring to...the Americas...Australia...New Zealand...Tibet...or Israel ?

Originally Posted by Neverna

Let me make it easier for you to comprehend, ENT.

Originally Posted by ENT

The remaining 23% of British mandate Palestine was then further divided by the UN (1947) to create the State of Israel,

The highlighted part = rubbish/nonsense/fiction.

I'll make it easier for you,.... you can read the pictures instead of trying to read.

So go look at the 1947 map of the UNO proposed state of Israel.

This article just adds credence to my opinion that the disputed land in the ME is just an excuse to keep the pot boiling with Islamic hatred for the Israeli's , when in essence what they really want is complete and total annihilation of the Jews ,one only has to read the Hamas Charter or covenant to figure that one out Articles: Why Muslims Must Hate Jews