Thread: Half of New Testamant forged, Scholar says

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by ENT

People lived well into their seventies 2,000 years ago in Greece, not an impossible age to achieve at all for the NT writers at the time.
Some Greek philosophers lived well into their eighties.

Perhaps, but it was not common. Do I need to look up the stats or can you google that yourself? Besides, the point is they were talking about Jesus coming to save them right now. Today...anytime. Why would the 12 chosen wait 40 years, from roughly 30 CE to 70 CE, to write it down.

Originally Posted by ENT

The NT gospels were first written in Greek by ex-pat Jews living in Greece.

Maybe so, but they weren't ex-pat Jews, they were Helenized and weren't Mathew Mark Luke or John.

Originally Posted by ENT

Mark may have been only 50 yo when Paul was at the height of his mission.

And...?

Originally Posted by ENT

Your view of history is that of an uncritical dimwit, one quite capable of throwing the baby out with the bath water.

I doubt that you have any idea what I believe.
Biblical history actually fascinates me and I was once lucky enough to be paid to do serious research into it the subject of the so-called "hidden years" of Jesus. I recently read Zealot, a scholarly look at the historical Jesus (not the spiritual one). Should read it if the topic interests you; a clear look at the players--Roman and the Jerusalem Temple Priests--and the balance of power between them. Without giving away the ending, Jesus was a pretty "Up yours" kinda guy, actually. Much to admire.

TD' a load pf shit.

I tried to communicate with you re differences, but was cut off by TD.

I love biblical and scriptographic research,......good luck jto you, brother.

U gotta load a good stuff, maybe,.... boss gonna cum............ok?

...and this Jesus figure.
How is it that he's always depicted as a fair-skinned European?

Have we got any actual church going, praying Christians on TD?

Originally Posted by thaimeme

depicted as a fair-skinned European?

It was aiming to target fair skinned Europeans. Good marketing strategy eh.
The blue eyes cracked it open.

Originally Posted by Cujo

Have we got any actual church going, praying Christians on TD?

Rpeter, I think. Maybe one or two others.

Originally Posted by thaimeme

More important should be asked as to how Christianity magically transformed itself as European and associated with things Eurocentric in nature.

Seems like all religions adopt the character of the local culture. Certainly has happened with Buddhism. Or maybe Thaimeme makes no distinction between Asian cultures?

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by thaimeme

More important should be asked as to how Christianity magically transformed itself as European and associated with things Eurocentric in nature.

Seems like all religions adopt the character of the local culture. Certainly has happened with Buddhism. Or maybe Thaimeme makes no distinction between Asian cultures?

There certainly are significant distinctions and depictions from [Asian] Buddhist cultures to the next, yet Siddhartha Gautama was Asian and the obvious related connections exist.

Whereas, your Jesus and Christianity has nothing whatsoever to do with Euro native culture or connections thereof......completely borrow, invented, and hoodwinked to be a Euro-based spiritual path.

Even Confucius, Abraham, and Mohammad [to name a couple] were native from their spiritual base that spread.

Your typical and predictable Eurocentic apologist stance and twisted delusions don't hold water - per usual.

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Your typical and predictable Eurocentic apologist stance and twisted delusions don't hold water - per usual.

You're shallow understanding of the history of Buddhism, Christianity, European and Middle Eastern and Asian cultures and religions cultures is apparent.
Try reading Joseph Campbell's scholarly writings on the history of religion.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Your typical and predictable Eurocentic apologist stance and twisted delusions don't hold water - per usual.

You're shallow understanding of the history of Buddhism, Christianity, European and Middle Eastern and Asian cultures and religions cultures is apparent.
Try reading Joseph Campbell's scholarly writings on the history of religion.

I'm familiar with Joseph Campbell's work - his deeper perspective and study, not the usual surface material and knowledge that most [such as yourself] have been exposed to.

Yet, the esteemed Mr. Campbell isn't the end all standard regarding these disciplines. You might expose yourself to other thought and "theories" from the diverse sources that exist as well....might be enlightening - or not.

It's quite apparent to me that you, like most here and ingrained culture, pretend to have acquired true knowledge of historic affairs [through blue eyes, of course], yet still are floundering on paths to nowhere.

Pathetic to imbibe the historic ignorance that situates itself here everyday.

Which half was forged?...

Originally Posted by Cujo

Have we got any actual church going, praying Christians on TD?

Praying not church going.

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Your typical and predictable Eurocentic apologist stance and twisted delusions don't hold water - per usual.

You're shallow understanding of the history of Buddhism, Christianity, European and Middle Eastern and Asian cultures and religions cultures is apparent.
Try reading Joseph Campbell's scholarly writings on the history of religion.

I'm familiar with Joseph Campbell's work - his deeper perspective and study, not the usual surface material and knowledge that most [such as yourself] have been exposed to.

Yet, the esteemed Mr. Campbell isn't the end all standard regarding these disciplines. You might expose yourself to other thought and "theories" from the diverse sources that exist as well....might be enlightening - or not.

It's quite apparent to me that you, like most here and ingrained culture, pretend to have acquired true knowledge of historic affairs [through blue eyes, of course], yet still are floundering on paths to nowhere.

Pathetic to imbibe the historic ignorance that situates itself here everyday.

What kind of drugs do you indulge in before your writings?

Originally Posted by Humbert

^Jeff you are guilty of the same bias toward Asian cultures and philosophies as you criticize others for being toward European ones. You base all your arguments on anectodal observation, and xenophobic bias.
Regarding Joseph Campbell you make an assumption on what I have been exposed to. How would you have any knowledge of that? You are just a fraud parading your ignorant fallacies around this forum.

I think to many drugs.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by Cujo

Have we got any actual church going, praying Christians on TD?

Praying not church going.

You should found a church in your village and start preaching .

Anyway, i think they may have chosen the wrong word.
Isn't forging creating an exact copy, in which case what would it matter (Not that it does anyway).
I think fictionalized is the word they're looking for, maybe dramatized.

Originally Posted by thaimeme

...and this Jesus figure.
How is it that he's always depicted as a fair-skinned European?

Plain ol' racism.

Jesus was a Semite from northern Judea/Armenia (spoke Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek), possibly fair skinned and red haired as a lot of folk are around there, but not yer average white man in appearance.



Apo Sahagian,

Armenian writer, musician

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by Cujo

Have we got any actual church going, praying Christians on TD?

Praying not church going.

What might you pray for, Pete?

A forced upon Christian/Western imperial world?



What would Jesus think of this?

Originally Posted by Cujo

I think fictionalized is the word they're looking for, maybe dramatized.

Bullshitalized.

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by Cujo

Have we got any actual church going, praying Christians on TD?

Praying not church going.

What might you pray for, Pete?

A forced upon Christian/Western imperial world?



What would Jesus think of this?

No.......

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by Cujo

Have we got any actual church going, praying Christians on TD?

Praying not church going.

What might you pray for, Pete?

A forced upon Christian/Western imperial world?



What would Jesus think of this?

What kind of drugs do you take before you post?

Onward Christian Soldiers....
Praying for victory.

Originally Posted by FlyFree

Originally Posted by Cujo

I think fictionalized is the word they're looking for, maybe dramatized.

Bullshitalized.

Even better.

Originally Posted by Cujo

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by Cujo

Have we got any actual church going, praying Christians on TD?

Praying not church going.

You should found a church in your village and start preaching .

Anyway, i think they may have chosen the wrong word.
Isn't forging creating an exact copy, in which case what would it matter (Not that it does anyway).
I think fictionalized is the word they're looking for, maybe dramatized.

Not my calling.