Thread: The U.K and the E.U - In or out?

British expats living outside of UK for more than 15 years will not be able to vote in EU referendum, high court rules

The high court did not accept a challenge brought against the '15-year rule' that prevents British citizens who have lived abroad for more than 15 years from voting in the referendum on 23 June

British expats living outside of UK for more than 15 years will not be able to vote in EU referendum, high court rules | Home News | News | The Independent

A legal challenge was brought by 94-year-old Second World War veteran Harry Shindler, who lives in Italy, and Belgian resident Jacquelyn MacLennan

Mr Shindler and Ms MacLennan's lawyers confirmed they will now appeal directly to the UK's Supreme Court.

great news that those old farts cannot vote

Did Boris manage to explain?

At a glance | Who can vote in the EU referendum?


Anyone who would be entitled to vote in a parliamentary election in the UK has the right to participate in the in/out vote on the EU. This includes:

British citizens over 18 who are resident in the UK

Irish citizens over 18 who are resident in the UK (due to historically close Anglo-Irish links)

Maltese and Cypriots over 18 who are resident in the UK (other EU citizens will not)

Commonwealth-born citizens over 18 who are resident in the UK

British expats who have lived overseas for less than 15 years

Irish citizens who were born in Northern Ireland and have registered to vote in Northern Ireland in the last 15 years

Commonwealth citizens in Gibraltar over 18

Members of the House of Lords in Gibraltar will also be entitled to vote

''Irish citizens over 18 who are resident in the UK (due to historically close Anglo-Irish links)''
Amazing
What has it got to do with them ? they have been independent for almost a 100 years and yet still treated like they are a home nation people...I wonder how many there are, though ones too many.

700,000 British expats will not be able to vote in EU referendum, court rules

Originally Posted by blue

''Irish citizens over 18 who are resident in the UK (due to historically close Anglo-Irish links)''
Amazing
What has it got to do with them ? they have been independent for almost a 100 years and yet still treated like they are a home nation people...I wonder how many there are, though ones too many.

Goes both ways. Ireland is full of freeloading soap dodgers who are entitled to vote there. Weirdly, the paddies actually voted to allow that while the brits had us foisted on them. Som nam naa.

Originally Posted by Troy

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring
....

EU banks pull out of London and no one knows what will happen ....

Those that say trade doesn't matter need to look into what made London what it is today...why the UK had to join the EU in the first place.

The nobody knows answers I got from my questions are incredible...everyone knows the answers but they don't want to tell you because the unpalatable truth is that staying in the EU, like it or not, is the best alternative.

No-one has provided a better solution. They have made it an emotional conflict , blaming the EU for UK government errors. (IMO, The most blatant of these errors came from the Blair Labour government with the eu migration of Polish ahead of EU directives)

Talking of silly applications of eu directives, I can still ask for a pound of spuds in Germany and their bikes have 26 & 28 inch wheels...

The most controversial thing that needs to be changed in the UK is not leaving the EU but to change the NHS. Have a scheme where everyone pays into the NHS through contributions like the NIS and force EU migrants to pay into it the same way but higher...because it is based on a percentage of lifetime contributions. Itis possible to do this through current EU laws and would save the NHS and help with migration issues.

Last but not least, I speak English in Europe because English is a mix of German and French. English is the business language nowadays and leaving the EU will ruin that major influence amongst the peasants....

From an economic viewpoint the consequences are debatable. However from a national security point of view it would be folly to remain in the EU with Turkey about to get visa free access into the EU and a fast track to membership.

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Ameristan will suck you dry even quicker.
Eastwards you stupid country! Start kowtowing now. Cameroon is a master at offering a ring or two.

Do the sheep shearers on the Falklands get to vote?

Originally Posted by OhOh

Do the sheep shearers on the Falklands get to vote?

Can you read?

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Can you read?

Yes, Can123 can read. When are you going to learn to write ?

Originally Posted by longway

From an economic viewpoint the consequences are debatable. However from a national security point of view it would be folly to remain in the EU with Turkey about to get visa free access into the EU and a fast track to membership.

Turkey visa access to Schengen Countries, of which the UK opted out. Fast track membership of the EU? They have been an associate member for 50 years and applied 30 years ago. .... and their major supporter has been.........Yep! You guessed it....the UK.

Nationalism was on its deathbed after WWII, finally died in 1975 and does not need resurrection.

From The Guardian...about the Turkey deal: I always thought that Germany were the main opponents of Turkey entry....

Rights concerns put EU-Turkey deal in peril as MPs brawl in Ankara
Suspension of Turkish parliament halts passage of laws needed to win European support for visa-free travel for Turks
A key deadline looks increasingly likely to be missed in plans to grant Turkish citizens visa-free travel in the EU as part of a vital migration deal, after fighting in the parliament in Ankara and a stern warning of no special favours from Brussels. Brawling between ruling party and pro-Kurdish MPs late on Wednesday resulted in Turkey’s parliament being suspended until Monday, halting work on laws the country needs to pass if the European commission is to recommend the controversial visa-waiver scheme to member states in a decision due next Wednesday.

The deputy head of the commission, Frans Timmermans, reiterated on Thursday that the EU executive would not soften the 72 conditions Turkey must meet to ensure visa-free travel, a key part of the controversial agreement aiming to stem the flow of migrants into the union.
“We will not play around with those benchmarks; the onus is on Turkey. They say they can do it,” Timmermans told the European parliament, adding that recent curbs on media freedoms and human rights in Turkey did not necessarily bode well for fresh discussions on Turkey’s eventual membership of the EU – another component of the migrant deal.
“If they want to come close to the European Union so badly, let them prove that they can,” the former Dutch foreign minister said. “The distance between us and Turkey is not decreasing, it is increasing, because of human rights, the media and what is happening in civil society.”
The commission has said it will announce on 4 May whether it believes member states should agree to grant visa-free travel to Turkish citizens by the end of June as part of the deal under which Ankara has agreed to take back refugees and migrants who reach the Greek islands from Turkey.
But with governments under pressure to curb immigration, the prospect of lifting visa restrictions on 75 million Turks has aroused strong opposition in some member states.
Both France and Germany have reportedly proposed incorporating an “emergency brake” in the Turkish scheme – and in similar visa waiver schemes being discussed for Georgians and Ukrainians – to give the EU a quick and legal way to suspend them in the event of an unexpectedly large influx.
The EU has previously said Turkey fully meets only about half the 72 criteria, which include civil liberties guarantees. A report late last month by the European Stability Initiative, a thinktank monitoring Ankara’s progress, suggested there had been no movement at all on 12 of the conditions.

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Rights concerns put EU-Turkey deal in peril as MPs brawl in Ankara | World news | The Guardian

^ Thatcher gave support for Turkey's entry into the EU, as did every Government since...

Originally Posted by blue

Stop trying to justify your own fear with far fetched scenarios, Swiss banks seem to do ok .. just admit you have had the adventure and balls totally beaten out of you by the EU/PC grinder.. like a slave afraid to leave the plantation: oooooow the master won't provide me with a proper road map of whats around all those scary corners ... so I'm staying put and gonna pick cotton for another 40 years. Vote leave !!

I am not the one in fear Blue...I voted with my feet almost 15 years ago and am unlikely to be told to go back to the UK if Brexit wins the day. I have hedged my bets a little though by moving my savings into calmer water.

You need to think a little more rationally and a little less emotionally if you are to understand the reasons for staying in the EU.

Just like buying a house is all about location, location, and location....staying in the EU is all about trade, trade, and trade.

^ The problem is that they are bundling trade with a political union, so its not all trade trade trade is it?

As you brought Thatcher up I did a quick google.

Not that i am a fan of thatcher, quite the contrary, it looks like she would have backed brexit. and she was all about trade.

Sir Bill Cash MP has revealed the private correspondence he had with the former Prime Minister, in which she describes the EU project as "contrary to British interests and damaging to our Parliamentary democracy".
He says it is "inconceivable" Lady Thatcher would have supported David Cameron's current deal and that she gave him the letter to make public if there was ever any doubt over her views on the European Union.

A private letter written by Margaret Thatcher reveals she would have campaigned for Brexit, claims Eurosceptic MP - Telegraph

Originally Posted by Troy

Nationalism was on its deathbed after WWII, finally died in 1975 and does not need resurrection.

if you are into globalism and internationalism why would you want UK tied up in a little local group ?

Thatcher backing the brexit campaign is a tad contentious. She realised the dilemma of dismantling the NHS, to cope with being in the EU, versus public opinion. Perhaps if people had more faith in her the UK would be more suited to being within the EU.

If the UK bexit campaign had the same strength of leadership, together with a set of goals to aim for, I may be pursuaded ... but I see a rudderless ship, going nowhere.

OUT.

Then election to stop Boris and Gove who will sell of the NHS, the Schools, and sign up to TTIP in about a week.

Then the Hague for cameron for Libya.

There. I have spoken. The man who achieved 8 votes for best person on TD. So there.

Originally Posted by longway

^ Really? I have my doubts.

Based on what? You're wrong, as you are about most things, about Thatcher and Turkey. Why, ffs, do you not, instead of "having your doubts" and coming across as an ignorant tit, take the 5 seconds or so to check the facts and actually learn something? There's a first time for everything.

Another poll

Obama warning on the risks of Brexit 'failed' to boost the campaign to keep Britain in the EU.

he Leave campaign has narrowly edged ahead of its Remain rivals, according to the latest European Union referendum poll.

The survey, carried out by YouGov for The Times on Monday and Tuesday, puts Out on 51 per cent and In on 49 per cent, when non-voters and unsure voters are removed.

The warning from US President Barack Obama on the risks of Brexit has "failed" to boost the campaign to keep Britain in the EU, says The Times.

Other recent measures by the Remain camp include the publication by George Osborne of his Treasury analysis on long-term costs of leaving the EU and the first big pro-EU speech by Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, says the newspaper. "All, it seems, have failed to have an impact."

Meanwhile, the proportion of "don't knows" dropped three points to 13 per cent since a similar survey two weeks ago, while four per cent said they would not be voting, a drop of one point. With those figures included, Out was on 42 per cent and In was on 41 per cent.

Just one in five voters believe the UK will vote to leave the European Union in June, according to the latest referendum poll.

The survey, carried out by ORB for the Daily Telegraph, found that 57 per cent of voters expect the Remain camp to win, 21 per cent believe the Leave camp will triumph and 22 per cent are unsure.

"Expectations stay overwhelmingly in favour of an In vote come June," says political strategist Sir Lynton Crosby, in an analysis for the paper.

However, he warns that this "vast gap" means the Remain campaign is at risk of voter complacency.

"Many of their supporters will expect to win the referendum and thus fail to recognise the significance of their own vote," he says.

Meanwhile, bookmakers have "drastically" shortened the betting odds for a Remain vote.

EU referendum poll: Support for Brexit edges ahead of Remain | The Week UK

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Obama warning on the risks of Brexit 'failed' to boost the campaign to keep Britain in the EU.

His dad was a marxist pornographer. His mum was a porno slut. his grandad was a FBI mission chief. His mentor is Brzezinski. His first job was with a CIA front company. How many fucks do I, or should anyone else give what this puppet says or thinks?

None. Nada. Not one single one. Not even half of one. Not even one the size or a protazoa eating the shit on the arse of my dog. None at all.

^ But will leaving the EU stop the chemtrails?

Originally Posted by blue

Originally Posted by Troy

Nationalism was on its deathbed after WWII, finally died in 1975 and does not need resurrection.

if you are into globalism and internationalism why would you want UK tied up in a little local group ?

So now the World's largest economy is a little local group.

I see why DrBob runs out of patience so quickly....