Thread: The U.K and the E.U - In or out?

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by longway

^ not the whole truth though, so its a threat.

Odd definition of a threat you have there. He's merely saying what the rest of the world already knows. Britain has no power outside the EU and if it leaves nobody has any reason to arrange favorable trade with Britain. Seriously, I think a large number of people here are in the grip of a collective hallucination. It's a really odd thing to watch a nation attempt to commit economic suicide. Still, I think there are still enough sane people here to prevent that.

Your posts are filled with massive and unsubstantiated assumptions. Get a grip.

The only UK entities that have real power through the EU are our banks and corporations; the ordinary citizen's power to have his interests represented are vastly reduced.

On one hand we are too small to go it alone and on the other if we leave it will imperil the world economy according to the IMF. Both ludicrous and contradictory statements.

You add that to the unfolding disaster taking place in the EU from uncontrolled illegal immigration. and the threat posed to national security when the turks are given free access to the EU. ISIS will have a mainline all over europe and turkey will use every trick to harrass the kurds into flee into the EU; its going to be an explosive mix.

In terms of 'economic suicide', the government's own estimate is that we will grow 8% less by 2030 out of the EU, as compared to in it. The benefits of EU membership are marginal.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04...brexit-report/

His chosen date is 2030. By then, the UK economy is expected to have grown by around 37 per cent, but the HM Treasury document claims that this would be closer to about 29 per cent growth after Brexit.
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If you assume that disposable income grows in line with GDP then he’d be arguing that there would be a £5,400 rise outside the EU by 2030 instead of £6,880 inside the EU – so the ‘cost’ of spurning EU membership would be £1,480 (per household). Which could be alleviated with a modest tax cut.

That is why odrama is making veiled threats, as there is no reason to remain in it. Its nonsensical to ever think that the USA cannot negotiate with the UK and the EU concurrently, and we can be far more flexible within our negotiations and looks for deals of our own, nor do many countries do that badly negotiating on their own. Nor does it mean we will be excluded entirely from the EU.

The EU is not even a stable entity and has brought instability and strife into europe on and unprecedented scale since the war and even compared to the issues in eastern europe. The eu we see today may not even be around in 5-10 years.

The only people in the grip of delusion are those like you, who believe the nonsense spouted by our government. Its just scaremongering. whatever your choice in the end, one thing is unequivocal the UK government is lying to us on a massive scale.