our trade deficit is not so good but services to EU more than make up for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by panama hat
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our trade deficit is not so good but services to EU more than make up for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by panama hat
If this doesn't raise a red flag, I don't know what will.
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The No campaign in full flow today on the BBC!!
I predict propaganda and lobbying to break record levels in the history of politics coming up to the 23rd of June.
Leading British companies and business leaders, including members of the prime minister’s business advisory group, have refused to sign a letter promising the business community’s support for the UK’s membership of the EU.
The letter, to be published in The Times on Tuesday, has attracted the signatures of 36 FTSE 100 companies, a significant show of support. But those who declined to sign include Barclays, the UK’s second-largest bank by assets, and its two biggest supermarket chains by sales, Tesco and J Sainsbury.
Pro-EU letter shows mixed business views - FT.com
And Boris is a big hitter, but his timing was a deliberate attempt to show him in a positive light come the Tory leadership battle. He would rather keep his powder dry until the next election but he had no choice.
I know Gove looks like plug from the Beano but he is as smart as a whip and will probably be the next Tory leader.
What happens over the next 4 months will be obfuscation, smoke and mirrors. Truth is, no one knows the outcome of the referendum or the impact it will have on the country.
Such a reputable bank...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chittychangchang
However, where there is pessimism there lurks opportunity...and it is knocking at everyone's door...where is the modern Hughie Green to find that talent to run the new, independent UK.
Who cares about risk, the UK is young, frivolous and happy...it wants to seek new avenues, new sights, new adventures and find entertainment outside of this boring family relationship with the EU (which was nothing more than an adoption anyway).
The UK wants to be free, to explore places it has never been before,,,to sample foods and spices and trade with unknown peoples of unknown worlds...
...hang on a mo...wasn't that Betty I....rather than Liz II? Didn't we do that already?
when UK joined the EU in 1975 things weren't looking very good for the economyQuote:
Originally Posted by greentea
and that was in better times.
we didn't have 1.5 trillion debt and 85 billion deficit.
western alliances have created the disaster in middle east forcing refugees and migrants to EU. the 99/95% are most certainly not in a better situation today.
it all looks a bit shakey to me.
Boris loves the the bankers, and knows some personally :) and thinks they are really nice people.
Doesn't matter what side you're on
you're still gonna get shafted.
one way or anotherrrrr.
All this poll shows is how many low life losers there are on TD...:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dapper
The UK will still be in the EU at the end of the year. Oil price and the poll will make for a high risk market ... perfect for a few short term gains by the pundits but not so good for those investing on principles.
Enjoy the thrill...earth will be waiting to catch your fall.
Brexit: for once it’s not about the economy, stupid.
If Britain leaves the EU, the impact will be “seismic”, said Neil Kinnock, a former EU commissioner, this week. Brexit would be “a jump off the edge of the cliff ... in which our economic stability is hugely put at risk”. The message couldn’t be clearer: leaving would be economic suicide. Over in the Eurosceptic camp, we’re told our liberation from the tyranny of Brussels will bring us a new era of prosperity, saving billions on payments into a wasteful and corrupt EU bureaucracy, slashing immigration and restoring the country’s economic independence.
The scaremongering on both sides of this debate becomes more preposterous by the day. Anyone keen that we have a reasoned national conversation about the merits of EU membership should welcome the intervention of asset manager Neil Woodford, the darling of small investors, whose giant funds have big stakes in lots of major British companies. His view is that both the pro- and anti-Europe camps are employing bogus arguments. The mundane reality is that a Brexit is likely to result in either a small net economic benefit or a small net economic loss. Nobody can know for sure which outcome we’ll see. But the least likely outcome is economic catastrophe if we leave, or if we remain.
Woodford’s analysis, supported by research from consultancy Capital Economics, ties in with a separate report from thinktank Open Europe. It said quitting the EU could cost the UK 2.2% of GDP by 2030 – or it could add 1.6% to GDP, depending on how the exit negotiations are handled. Neither sum justifies the frothing fulminations of Eurosceptics and Europhiles alike.
What will Brexit mean for the pound in your pocket? Like the economy, the boring answer is that it probably doesn’t mean much at all. Your pension, if you’re a private sector worker, is largely down to the performance of the stock market. Most of the big FTSE 100 companies are already fantastically globalised; the profits and dividends from the likes of BP or Glaxo have relatively little to do with the UK economy. Britain in or out of the EU will have a limited impact on their earnings.
There could be localised falls in rents following a Brexit, with a knock-on impact of reducing house prices. Buy-to-let landlords are probably most exposed. You only need to read how Britain’s biggest buy-to-let landlord, Fergus Wilson, relied on EU migrants to fill his property empire to know that if the door shuts to immigration, rents are likely to fall. But any impact is likely to be mild nationally.
Holidays could become pricier. Sterling has fallen a long way from its €1.44 peak, though that’s largely down to interest rate expectations. Add in uncertainty over the referendum and it will weaken further. That said, at €1.44, sterling was looking overvalued. At €1.25 to €1.30 it’s probably close to purchasing power parity.
Prices in the shops are likely to move little. But beef will be cheaper; just ask the Irish dairy farmers who are terrified about their key export market, Britain, being swamped by cheaper meat from Brazil.
Some of the important advances for consumers could be threatened by a British exit. It was the EU that ordered the giant telecoms companies to cut absurd data roaming and call charges. But it took Brussels far too long to tackle an obvious cross-border issue. It’s perhaps totemic of why so many left-leaning voters are uncomfortable with the EU. Too often it appears to be an institution run for the benefit of big business. The fact that the CBI is so ardent in its desire for Britain to remain in the EU says all you need to know about how Brussels works for it.
The next few months will see hysterical claims about the economic impact of a Brexit by both sides, and both can be safely ignored. My vote will come down to the pros and cons of the EU political project. This is one issue where it’s not about the economy, stupid.
Brexit: for once it?s not about the economy, stupid | Money | The Guardian
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If all the UKIP voters and Tory euro sceptic voters alongside the SNP vote to leave then it will be a landslide victory.:UK:
Let's face it, UKIP's votes are why we are having the referendum.
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Originally Posted by Chittychangchang
The SNP are pro EU and want to stay in Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chittychangchang
Good. Bye bye Scotland as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by chassamui
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Originally Posted by TroyAll this poll shows is how many low life losers there are on TD...:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dapper
The UK will still be in the EU at the end of the year. Oil price and the poll will make for a high risk market ... perfect for a few short term gains by the pundits but not so good for those investing on principles.
Enjoy the thrill...earth will be waiting to catch your fall.
I think European in general are just tired of too many Auslaender. (too many too fast)
And of course too many Asslaender (EU) telling them what to do. (too much no choice)
Have a Cup of Tea, and Wait for This Whole Thing to Blow ...
30 or 40 million people in the UK will be concerned about their economic situation whichever way it goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chittychangchang
The ONLY way the SNP will get true independence is to back the leave vote then once the UK are independent they can force another vote and rejoin the EU on their own terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by chassamui
BTW Did you note the percentage of UKIP votes in the last 2014 Euro elections in Scotland..
Party Votes % MEPs change +/-
Scottish National Party 389,503 28.99 (-0.07) 2 0
Labour 348,219 25.92 (+5.11) 2 0
Conservative 231,330 17.22 (0.40) 1 0
UK Independence Party 140,534 10.46 (+5.23) 1 +
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David Cameron boasts of 'brilliant' UK arms exports to Saudi Arabia
PM talks of government role in selling BAE defence equipment as EU parliament votes for arms embargo on country
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David Cameron boasts of 'brilliant' UK arms exports to Saudi Arabia | World news | The Guardian
The SNP is pro EU. They want to stay in the EU. If the UK as a whole votes to leave, The SNP have a reason to ask for a new referendum on independence for Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chittychangchang
MEP elections are farcical. Pitiful turn out because no one cares, and a chance for a protest vote (For UKIP) last time around.
protest vote...pretty big protest vote...
Vote 2014 Election Results for the EU Parliament UK regions - BBC News
Party Votes % MEPs change +/-
UK Independence Party 4,376,635 27.49 (+10.99) 24 +11
Labour 4,020,646 25.40 (+9.67) 20 +7
Conservative 3,792,549 23.93 (-3.80) 19 -7
Green 1,255,573 7.87 (-0.75) 3 +1
Scottish National Party 389,503 2.46 (0.34) 2 0
Liberal Democrat 1,087,633 6.87 (-6.87) 1 -10
Nice vid Harry. I do believe the EU project has moved on now. The British asking for changes is a decent start to reforming the EU agenda.
I have no doubt that many of the EU socialist leaders still want a federal Europe, but the British insistence on reform has woken a few others to the reality of the EU and demonstrated that reform can be made even if it starts on a small scale.
More serious and far reaching reforms can only come from within the union. Others will also insist on having their say and an EU collective can be made to work for the member nations, instead of for the federation.
The UK's long-term prospects could be "brighter" outside the EU, a business leader has said.
John Longworth, head of the British Chambers of Commerce, described the EU referendum as a choice between the "devil and the deep blue sea".
He told its annual conference that voters faced "undoubtedly a tough choice".
One option was staying in an "essentially unreformed EU", with the other being the uncertainty of leaving.
"The dynamism and resilience of the City of London and the UK business sector suggests to me that, in the long run, we have the capacity and capability to create a bright, if not brighter, economic future outside of the EU - just as we would have done had we had the opportunity to stay in a truly reformed Europe," Mr Longworth said.
He told the conference in London that his observation was based on key economic reports on the merits of staying in the EU and of leaving.
The BCC has said it was not aligned to either camp in the debate because its membership was split on the issue.
UK future 'may be brighter outside EU', says BCC boss - BBC News
Rush for Irish passports brought on by Brexit fears
Desire to remain an EU citizen after a possible leave vote is cited by many British-born applicants as motivating factor
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The number of British-born people applying for Irish passports on the basis of their ancestry has risen sharply in the past year.
Last weekend, shortly before he sat down to watch Ireland play England in the rugby Six Nations championship, Kevin Warnes posted the application form to renew his Irish passport. Though Warnes was born and has always lived in England and considers himself “completely English”, his mother is originally from Ireland, which allowed him to obtain dual citizenship as a young man in the 1980s when he was doing a lot of travelling in Europe.
A teacher from Shipley in West Yorkshire, he had allowed his Irish passport to lapse. But the prospect of Britain potentially voting to leave the EU in June “propelled me into action”, he says.
“I have two children and I want them to retain their EU citizenship. I want them to be able to travel, live and work freely in a Europe of open borders, to explore their near world with as much liberty as possible.” As soon as he gets his own passport back, Warnes will apply for Irish citizenship for his teenage daughters as well. “I certainly wouldn’t have done that if it wasn’t for Brexit.”
Figures obtained by the Guardian suggest he is far from alone. According to Ireland’s Department of Foreign Affairs, the number of British-born people applying for Irish passports on the basis of their ancestry has risen sharply in the past year, just as the debate over the UK’s potential withdrawal from the EU has intensified before June’s referendum.
Between 2014 and 2015, the number of adults born in England, Scotland or Wales applying for their first Irish passport on the basis of having an Irish-born grandparent increased by more than 33%, from 379 to 507. Applications from those with one or more Irish parent rose by 11% in the same period, from 3,376 to 3,736. In the previous year, the total applying in both categories fell slightly.
Ireland offers automatic citizenship to anyone with an Irish parent, regardless of where they were born, while the grandchildren of citizens are also entitled to claim a passport once their births have been recorded in the country’s foreign births register. Great-grandchildren may also be eligible if their parents had registered by the time of their birth. It has been estimated that as many as six million Britons can claim an Irish-born grandparent.
Northern Ireland is a special case, with anyone born north of the border having the same rights to claim Irish citizenship as elsewhere in the island. There, too, first-time adult applications for Irish passports rose by 14% from 10,672 to 12,159 between 2014 and 2015. Both Britain and Ireland allow citizens to hold dual citizenship.
An Irish government spokeswoman said applicants were not asked their reasons for applying for a passport and so the rise could not be attributed to a single cause.
But anecdotal evidence suggests that the risk of a British leave vote has been a decisive factor for many. Ireland is one of the most pro-European countries in the EU and would be highly unlikely to vote to leave, despite harsh austerity conditions imposed by Brussels as part of a multibillion-euro bailout in 2010.
Siobhan Mooney from London has never even been to Ireland but told the Guardian she decided to apply for citizenship through her Irish-born grandfather because she was getting “quite panicky” at the prospect of a British withdrawal. “I thought, well, if I get my Irish passport then at least if the UK is kicked out I’ve got some legal protection if I want to go and enjoy free movement in Europe.” She said she knew at least two other people who were considering doing the same thing.
Glen O’Hara, a professor of modern and contemporary history at Oxford Brookes University, said he hadn’t absolutely decided to claim citizenship through his Northern Irish-born grandfather “but it’s nice to know that there’s a fallback position in case Britons really do prove willing to give up their rights as European Union citizens”.
He said he was less concerned with the practicalities of free moment after a potential Brexit – “I should think we’ll join the EEA [European Economic Area] and there’ll be few if any more border controls anyway” – but with the principle of “maintaining my European-ness”.
“I am a European Union citizen as things stand, I regard myself as a European and I don’t see why anyone else has the right to drag me out of that. So I’m thinking of taking a relatively painless joint citizenship route to ensure that I can keep my EU identity and rights, whatever other UK citizens decide.”
Rush for Irish passports brought on by Brexit fears | Politics | The Guardian
Hey that's an added bonus, we can fuck off all the pikeys at last.
Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. :) Plato
You're from Belgium you [at][at][at][at].Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Erm....Quote:
Originally Posted by DapperYou're from Belgium you [at][at][at][at].Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Hit the chang a bit early today didn't we?
:rofl:
This short video is particularly entertaining, seems to parallel the Federal Reserve and then some...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUiFKMw92yA
So, it's real: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe...lity_Mechanism
& here are the dream team who run it: http://www.esm.europa.eu/about/organisation/index.htm
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Klaus P. Regling (born 3 October 1950 in Lübeck, West Germany) is a German.
Rolf Strauch, second in command is a German.
Ralf Jansen is a German.
Rolf Strauch is Dutch.
Christophe Frankel is French.
Françoise Blondeel is French.
All bankers...
Look at the power they have, and how they cannot be challenged or held accountable...
Anybody who wants to get further into Europe and join these maniacs or remain in the insane Federal Europe is crazy, imho.
Why wasn't Jesus born in Ireland?Quote:
Originally Posted by KEVIN2008
Because they couldn't find three wise men and a virgin.
^ the joke's so old, Plato probably wrote that too! :)
It turns out that backing Brexit really could cost you your job. Reports suggest that John Longworth, director-general of the British Chambers of Commerce (BCC), has been temporarily suspended for giving a very qualified endorsement of Leave. Speaking to the organisation’s annual conference, he said that it was a choice between “the devil and the deep blue sea” but that Britain was resilient enough to flourish outside the EU. Longworth’s suspension is apparently due to a breach of the BCC’s policy of neutrality.
On the substantive points, he’s absolutely right. Often we hear that leaving the EU would be a “leap in the dark”. Yes: a leap in the dark… from the dark. The choice to remain within the EU is as loaded with risk as the choice to leave. Do we really want to be tied to a political and economic structure that is moving closer to integration while, paradoxically, it is breaking apart? Would we want to be within an EU in which Marine Le Pen was a big player, riding high on a refugee crisis that could be the very undoing of Europe? And do we trust Europe’s statesmen to honour the agreement reached in Brussels despite the fact – and this is a fact – that it has no binding in law because it is not written into a treaty?
We are the world’s fifth largest economy, a phenomenal exporter with global clout. We are not, thank God, Belgium.:):UK:
By contrast, while there is undoubtedly an element of risk involved in exit, Longworth is also correct to note that the fundamentals of the British economy favour success. We are the world’s fifth largest economy, a phenomenal exporter with global clout. We are not, thank God, Belgium. The voters need to hear the good news about life in modern Britain as well as the dire warnings from the Remain campaign that the UK leaving the EU would be the equivalent of walking the plank – a giddy thrill followed by shark teeth.
If we are to hear the positive case for Leave then people have got to feel free to make it. And that’s the truly worrying part of this story: Longworth was allegedly sanctioned for speaking his mind. As I’ve argued before, the entire British establishment is in the tank for Remain. They regard the referendum itself as an act of insanity and will do anything to win. Expect them to pull rank. How many academics, civil servants, economists, lawyers, even journalists will keep their support of Brexit quiet for fear that it will lead to isolation within their trade?
Put aside high-minded notions of neutrality. There’s no such thing. This is a battle for the future of the country, its independence and its prosperity. There are good intentions on both sides, but the pro-EU side has the entire artillery of the establishment to support it. Ergo, the anti-EU campaigners have to be louder and more assertive if they are to be heard. They will have to show courage. They face the moribund, oppressive, conceited assumptions of a powerful elite.
EU referendum: back Brexit and the establishment will come down on you like a ton of bricks - Telegraph
Probably not, as his world view was quite isolated.....for a wise man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bettyboo
:)
And the Irish might get rid of the 600,000 Brit freeloaders living in the republic :) Me, I'm planning to buy up a bunch of cheap houses when all the English get deported from the Costa del Chav.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Anyway, Irish and British infesting each other's countries isn't an EU thing and won't be affected by any EU changes. As a product of the British educational system you won't be aware of the Law or the history of the United Kingdom so I guess your ignorance can be forgiven this time. Achtung and carrry on.
Indeed, the British educational system has other priorities..Quote:
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this is amazing, not only are the Eu offering visa free travel to Turks and lots of cash but this:
won't this just encourage Turkey to let more migrants cross to Greece, knowing it will help them get rid of the million Syrians in turkey ?Quote:
Migrant crisis: EU and Turkey plan one-in, one-out deal
Under the plan discussed in Brussels, all migrants arriving in Greece from Turkey would be returned.
For each Syrian sent back, a Syrian already in Turkey would be resettled in the EU.
However, the deal has not been finalised and talks will continue ahead of an EU meeting on 17-18 March.
They could even ferry the same ones back and forth..
And people in Uk are planning to vote to stay in the EU ?
they must have been told by the EU to ask for that date , just after the referendum, so them swarming in won't affect the vote .Quote:
Plans to ease access to the EU for Turkish citizens will be speeded up, with a view to allowing visa-free travel by June 2016
Migrant crisis: EU and Turkey plan one-in, one-out deal - BBC News
^This is what Turkey brings to the EU table, priceless.
Think Turkey has a bigger population than Germany.
Like the old Politburo of the USSR, the power-hungry Eurocrats loathe any dissent from their ruling orthodoxy, any challenge to the entrenched ideology.
That same authoritarian impulse can now be seen in the actions of the increasingly hysterical campaigners who want to keep Britain in the EU’s empire. Not content with peddling ever more lurid scare stories about Brexit, they aggressively seek to marginalise and silence their opponents.
I would think with the crazy proposal involving Turkey it has gotta be a vote to get out and close the borders , most people I know want out now
Think you are wrong there. Turkey is a much bigger country but population is less than Germany.Quote:
Originally Posted by billy the kid
just under 78 million in Turkey + refugees and migrants
Germany has about 83, 84 million.
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Historical population[5]
Year Pop. ±%
2007 70,586,256 —
2008 71,517,100 +1.3%
2009 72,561,312 +1.5%
2010 73,722,988 +1.6%
2011 74,724,269 +1.4%
2012 75,627,384 +1.2%
2013 76,667,864 +1.4%
2014 77,695,904 +1.3%
from wiki
turkeys population gone up 10 % in 7 years !