Influx into the US

**panama hat** · 27-08-2015, 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by misskit

Why not go after the business owners in big way?

But, but, but they are THE Job Creators

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

I do not need to explain my comment Ant. Americans understand what I am saying.

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**rickschoppers** · 27-08-2015, 05:14 AM

^
You are a non-American PH, so that puts you in the undebatable category.

**Boon Mee** · 27-08-2015, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

^
You are a non-American PH, so that puts you in the undebatable category.

Love it when these ferriners stick their collective (pun intended) noses into a US topic.

**S Landreth** · 27-08-2015, 07:09 AM

Nice article,……..

just highlights,…..

Take, for instance, the phenomenon of Chinese women coming to the US on tourist visas while pregnant and then staying just long enough to give birth here — thus ensuring those babies get US citizenship and a US passport. This is often referred to as "birth tourism," but this week Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush appeared to include them within the "anchor babies" category.

Simply by virtue of being born here, these new US citizens will be required to pay US taxes for their entire income-earning lives. That's true even if they leave immediately after birth and never come back. The United States has an exceptionally aggressive policy on taxing its citizens: If you're an American, you have to pay US taxes, even if you live and work outside the United States.

And, indeed, being a taxpayer is the only relationship that many of these babies will likely have with the United States. Their mothers typically aren't planning to stay in the US after giving birth (a process which in and of itself brings a lot of hard currency into the US economy). They just want their kids to have the option of studying or living in the US when they're older. And that might never actually happen — it's entirely possible that these tiny citizens will leave as babies and then never come back.

But in fact, that is not how birthright citizenship and immigration work at all: The government can and does deport immigrants whose kids are US citizens. And having a US citizen child isn't a particularly efficient route to legal status, either: US citizens can't sponsor their parents' green card applications until they turn 21, which means that after factoring in the immigration system's molasses-slow processing time, you’re looking at a conservative estimate of 22 years before your child can help you get legal permanent resident status, and maybe longer. As in, more than two decades. As in, a really, really long time. And even then, not all parents are eligible for green cards.

In short: The children GOP candidates like to deride as "anchor babies" are really little cooing bundles of future tax-and-productivity joy. What's not to love?

____________

By the way, the GOP led House should pass the Immigration Reform Bill that the Senate passed years ago to help cut down on illegal immigrants working in the states.

Employers with more than 5,000 employees must begin using the EEVS, for newly hired employees and employees with expiring work-authorization documents, within 2 years after the regulations are published. Similarly, employers with more than 500 employees must begin using the EEVS within 3 years, and agricultural employers and all other employers must begin using the EEVS within 4 years.

Enhanced penalties. The bill enhances civil penalties for employers who violate immigration law and creates a lien structure for collection of employer-owed monetary penalties. file:///C:/Users/ON/Downloads/imm-reform-senate-bill-title3-2013-06-22%20(1).pdf

**AntRobertson** · 27-08-2015, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Love it when these ferriners stick their collective (pun intended) noses into a US topic.

A U.S. topic on a Thai forum you mean?

Am I also to take it you'll no longer be commenting on Middle East/World/non-U.S. topics?

**panama hat** · 27-08-2015, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

You are a non-American PH

Where did you learn English? Rhetorical, really.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

You are a non-American PH, so that puts you in the undebatable category.

Ok, 'non-American' and 'undebatable' . . . Yup, seppo education

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Love it when these ferriners stick their collective (pun intended) noses into a US topic.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

A U.S. topic on a Thai forum you mean?

Am I also to take it you'll no longer be commenting on Middle East/World/non-U.S. topics?

Well, you have to understand that he's found someone as intellectually challenged as himself - - - bonding time for him. At least with this guy he doesn't have to keep creating Nics to support him . . . and whose first posts are "Boon Mee seems the only smart poster here"

**harrybarracuda** · 28-08-2015, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Love it when these ferriners stick their collective (pun intended) noses into a US topic.

A U.S. topic on a Thai forum you mean?

Am I also to take it you'll no longer be commenting on Middle East/World/non-U.S. topics?

That would be wonderful. But he spouts bollocks about the US, so you can't really expect anything different on other threads.

**Boon Mee** · 29-08-2015, 10:45 AM

U.S. grads settle for lower pay amid influx of foreign tech workers...

San Diegans already know full well that foreigners are competing for their jobs. They don’t need national politicians from Donald Trump to Bernie Sanders telling them to worry.

Consider the recent blowback from layoff decisions of two prominent regional companies, Qualcomm and Southern California Edison.

The layoffs highlighted a controversial corner of immigration policy occupied by H-1B visas, which allow companies to hire foreign workers for up to six years in “specialty” occupations such as software, engineering, biotech or even fashion modeling.

Early this year, Edison began displacing about 500 information technology workers, about 100 voluntarily and 400 through layoffs. But their functions were outsourced to Infosys and Tata Consultancy Services, two giant firms based in India.

Before they left, some workers were compelled to train their replacements, and some of them were foreign nationals working in the U.S.

The H-1B program “was supposed to be for projects and jobs that American workers could not fill,” one Edison worker told Computerworld, an IT news magazine. “But we’re doing our job. It’s not like they are bringing in these guys for new positions that nobody can fill. Not one of these jobs being filled by India was a job that an Edison employee wasn’t already performing.”

In response, 10 federal lawmakers asked the Department of Labor to investigate whether the H-1B program can be used to directly replace American workers.

'Send them all back': Layoffs provoke H-1B visa blowback | SanDiegoUnionTribune.com

But all this is OK with some posters aboard here. Open Borders, man!

**misskit** · 29-08-2015, 12:07 PM

^ Unfettered capitalism is what it is. No regulations. Lobbyist working for the corporate giants to get all the low pay workers they need imported.

But that's all right with some of the posters here. Hail the American corporations. They can do no wrong.

BTW, who are the posters who thinks the U.S. needs open borders?

And why would anyone who wanted more "freedom" think a damn wall around the country would give them that?

**panama hat** · 29-08-2015, 12:14 PM

I do question why BM and his ilk would love the competition - after all, it makes for a more productive economy . . . doesn't it?

**Stumpy** · 29-08-2015, 11:53 PM

Lets revisit this thread 4 years from now after the "New" President and his/her appointed knuckleheads have set up camp . We should be able to save a lot of time and effort by just changing the dates and a few names on all the previous posts. The bottom-line, the new office monkeys are not going to change a thing. They won the election. Their minimum job expectation is do not make it worse. It doesn't have to get better. Same job expectations exist with CEO's. Don't let the stock go down or you will get fired. Keeping it the same is a job well done. All a bunch of under performers as I see it. It takes too much work and effort to make a change. Cut a check and go home.

**panama hat** · 30-08-2015, 03:41 AM

^ Immigrants taking jobs?

**Norton** · 30-08-2015, 07:23 AM

Cause and effect!

Cause = Labor Unions killed off via combined effort of our elected officials and the monied business enterprises that got them elected.

Effect =

Originally Posted by misskit

Unfettered capitalism. No regulations.

resulting in workers (we the people) taking it up the ass.

Now the "conservatives" most responsible for ridding the nation of those pesky evil unions are the ones loudly decrying the effect.

Amazing.

**misskit** · 30-08-2015, 07:35 AM

^ It certainly is. Just a couple of years ago, on other threads where the loss of American jobs and joblessness was being discussed, one poster in particular denied there was a problem at all. Said all the unemployed had to do was move to the Dakotas and get a job in gas and oil.

Now the conservatives are turning a bit more socialist since Trump has taken up the mantle of American jobs.

**misskit** · 30-08-2015, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by JPPR2

Lets revisit this thread 4 years from now after the "New" President and his/her appointed knuckleheads have set up camp . We should be able to save a lot of time and effort by just changing the dates and a few names on all the previous posts. The bottom-line, the new office monkeys are not going to change a thing. They won the election. Their minimum job expectation is do not make it worse. It doesn't have to get better. Same job expectations exist with CEO's. Don't let the stock go down or you will get fired. Keeping it the same is a job well done. All a bunch of under performers as I see it. It takes too much work and effort to make a change. Cut a check and go home.

Can't say I find much of anything to disagree with here except this: there is one politician who understands this problem, has not been bought off by big business, and will work for Americans. Bernie Sanders the Democratic-Socialist.

Getting Big Money Out of Politics
https://berniesanders.com/issues/money-in-politics/

Creating Decent Paying Jobs
https://berniesanders.com/issues/cre...t-paying-jobs/

Spells out on the website what actions he will take to correct the problems.

**misskit** · 30-08-2015, 10:08 AM

The Daily Beast had a story about the similarities between Trump and Sanders when it comes to immigrants. Acknowledges that neither will become president.

The Pissed-Off Primary: Bernie Sanders Vs. Donald Trump

The socialist and the billionaire agree on what’s ailing America—and that’s a notion that should scare all of us.

Apart from surprising popularity, weird hair, and zero chance at actually becoming president, Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders could hardly seem more different.

One’s a socialist-hating billionaire and the other is a billionaire-hating socialist, right? Yet there they are, delivering boffo poll numbers long after everyone in the smart set had written them off as flashes in the pan.

Perhaps, like Austin Powers and Dr. Evil, they’re not so different after all. Indeed, the unanticipated appeal of Trump and Sanders to Republican and Democratic primary voters comes from the same psychological wellspring. They represent, in the words of Pittsburgh Tribune-Review columnist Salena Zito, “populism born of frustration.” They are angry candidates, bitching and moaning about the sorry shape of the United States and they are unabashedly protectionist. Each identifies immigrants and overseas competition as the root cause of most if not all of our problems. They both believe that if only we can wall off the country—literally in The Donald’s case and figuratively in Sanders’—we could “Make America Great Again!” (as Trump puts it in his campaign slogan).

Trump notoriously looks at Mexicans sneaking across the border and sees crime lords, drug dealers, and rapists, though he has magnamimously granted that “some, I assume, are good people.” Sanders, for his part, looks at the same hard cases and sees a reserve army of future wages slaves for the Koch brothers.

In an interview with Vox, Sanders was asked what he thought about increasing immigration in order to help poor foreigners increase their standard of living. “That’s a Koch brothers proposal,” he huffed, “That’s a right-wing proposal, which says essentially there is no United States.” So much for the internationalism and universal brotherhood on which socialism once prided itself.

Being anti-immigrant isn’t a new position for Sanders. As Politico noted earlier this year, Sanders’s loyalty to the AFL-CIO and other labor unions undergirds his consistent opposition to opening up borders and his contempt for free-trade agreements.

In regularly complaining about China, Sanders sounds just like…Donald Trump. Riffing in post-industrial Michigan on August 11, Trump noted China’s currency devaluation and announced, “Devalue means, suck the blood out of the United States!”

For good measure, Trump also attacked Sanders as a weakling even as he saluted him as a brother in spirit. Commenting on how the Vermont senator lost the microphone to a Black Lives Matter activist at a recent event in Seattle, Trump said, “I felt badly for him, but it showed that he was weak. You know what? He’s getting the biggest crowds, and we’re getting the biggest crowds. We’re the ones getting the crowds.”

What’s most worrisome is that other candidates who are more likely to actually succeed in 2016 will try to win over Trump’s or Sanders’s supporters by co-opting their Fortress America mentality.

Indeed, they are. Even after gracelessly implying Fox News moderator Megyn Kelly suffered from PMS during the first Republican candidates’ debate, Trump leads among GOP voters with 23 percent and Sanders has “surged” ahead of Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire polls.

Despite this, there’s no chance either will win his party’s nomination, much less become president. As Jack Shafer has noted, they are less candidates and more demagogues, who trade in “anger and resentment to attract supporters.” Such intensity can get you a hard-core band of supporters—just ask George Wallace or Ross Perot—but it also ultimately limits the broad-based support necessary to pull enough votes even in hotly contested three-way elections.

Which isn’t to say that Trump and Sanders haven’t already had a major impact. In the early stages of the campaign, they are tapping into immense voter dissatisfaction with not just the Republican and Democratic Party establishments but a 21st-century status quo that is in many ways genuinely depressing and disappointing. Trump and Sanders offer seemingly authentic responses to and truly simplistic solutions for what ails us. Close the borders! Fuck the Chinese!

What’s most worrisome is that other candidates who are more likely to actually succeed in 2016 will try to win over Trump’s or Sanders’s supporters by co-opting their Fortress America mentality. All of the GOP contenders except Jeb Bush have called for some type of impenetrable border with Mexico as a precondition for discussing any changes in immigration numbers. By and large, they have also signed on to mandatory use of E-Verify, a national database that would effectively turn work into a government-granted privilege while increasing the reach of the surveillance state.

Though she pushed for President Obama’s Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal while secretary of state, Hillary Clinton has flip-flopped and now is a critic of the deal. If Sanders continues to eat her lunch or even nibble around its edges through the end of the year, look for her to rethink her generally positive position on immigration too.

Trump’s and Sanders’s appeal isn’t hard to dope out.Twice as many of us—60 percent—think the country is headed in the wrong direction as think it’s going in the right direction. Trust in government has been skidding since the 1960s and the general loss of faith has accelerated since the 9/11 attacks. Trump and Sanders speak to our anxieties with a mix of shouty slogans, moral certitude, and magical policies on everything from health care to the minimum wage to ISIS.

In the current moment, it’s the billionaire and the socialist who feel our pain. But if their Republican and Democratic opponents adopt their xenophobia and protectionist ideas, they will have helped increase our pain long after they’ve inevitability sunk in the polls.

The Pissed-Off Primary: Bernie Sanders Vs. Donald Trump - The Daily Beast

**Boon Mee** · 30-08-2015, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by misskit

^ It certainly is. Just a couple of years ago, on other threads where the loss of American jobs and joblessness was being discussed, one poster in particular denied there was a problem at all. Said all the unemployed had to do was move to the Dakotas and get a job in gas and oil.

And what's wrong with that? Move to where the jobs are is where it's at instead of sitting on your ass and collecting food stamps and expecting the world to come to your doorstep?

**panama hat** · 30-08-2015, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by misskit

^ It certainly is. Just a couple of years ago, on other threads where the loss of American jobs and joblessness was being discussed, one poster in particular denied there was a problem at all. Said all the unemployed had to do was move to the Dakotas and get a job in gas and oil.

And what's wrong with that? Move to where the jobs are is where it's at instead of sitting on your ass and collecting food stamps and expecting the world to come to your doorstep?

Right, because only a fool would think anyone going to Dakota will have their jobs matched . . .

**Boon Mee** · 30-08-2015, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by misskit

^ It certainly is. Just a couple of years ago, on other threads where the loss of American jobs and joblessness was being discussed, one poster in particular denied there was a problem at all. Said all the unemployed had to do was move to the Dakotas and get a job in gas and oil.

And what's wrong with that? Move to where the jobs are is where it's at instead of sitting on your ass and collecting food stamps and expecting the world to come to your doorstep?

Right, because only a fool would think anyone going to Dakota will have their jobs matched . . .

Jobs matched???

**harrybarracuda** · 30-08-2015, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by misskit

^ It certainly is. Just a couple of years ago, on other threads where the loss of American jobs and joblessness was being discussed, one poster in particular denied there was a problem at all. Said all the unemployed had to do was move to the Dakotas and get a job in gas and oil.

And what's wrong with that? Move to where the jobs are is where it's at instead of sitting on your ass and collecting food stamps and expecting the world to come to your doorstep?

Right, because only a fool would think anyone going to Dakota will have their jobs matched . . .

Jobs matched???

It's an English word Booners. Haven't got a dictionary handy?

**Boon Mee** · 30-08-2015, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by misskit

^ It certainly is. Just a couple of years ago, on other threads where the loss of American jobs and joblessness was being discussed, one poster in particular denied there was a problem at all. Said all the unemployed had to do was move to the Dakotas and get a job in gas and oil.

And what's wrong with that? Move to where the jobs are is where it's at instead of sitting on your ass and collecting food stamps and expecting the world to come to your doorstep?

Right, because only a fool would think anyone going to Dakota will have their jobs matched . . .

Jobs matched???

It's an English word Booners. Haven't got a dictionary handy?

I know Poke Mah Hone.

That's Gaelic/Irish word we're sure you're familiar with!

**misskit** · 30-08-2015, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by misskit

^ It certainly is. Just a couple of years ago, on other threads where the loss of American jobs and joblessness was being discussed, one poster in particular denied there was a problem at all. Said all the unemployed had to do was move to the Dakotas and get a job in gas and oil.

And what's wrong with that? Move to where the jobs are is where it's at instead of sitting on your ass and collecting food stamps and expecting the world to come to your doorstep?

So why are you posting a story sympathetic to people whos jobs in San Diego are going to foreigners? Why aren't you complaining the San Diegoans they don't get off their asses and move to the Dakotas where all the jobs are instead of collecting food stamps along side of the veterans on the street?

**Norton** · 30-08-2015, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Poke Mah Hone

You've spelt it wrong. It's Póg mo thóin and it means kiss my bum

**Boon Mee** · 30-08-2015, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Poke Mah Hone

You've spelt it wrong. It's Póg mo thóin and it means kiss my bum

I'm aware of what it means, Norts - just spelled it phonetically.

**Boon Mee** · 30-08-2015, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by misskit

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by misskit

^ It certainly is. Just a couple of years ago, on other threads where the loss of American jobs and joblessness was being discussed, one poster in particular denied there was a problem at all. Said all the unemployed had to do was move to the Dakotas and get a job in gas and oil.

And what's wrong with that? Move to where the jobs are is where it's at instead of sitting on your ass and collecting food stamps and expecting the world to come to your doorstep?

So why are you posting a story sympathetic to people whos jobs in San Diego are going to foreigners? Why aren't you complaining the San Diegoans they don't get off their asses and move to the Dakotas where all the jobs are instead of collecting food stamps along side of the veterans on the street?

Well, with the collapse of oil prices, the numbers of those high-paying jobs in the Dakotas are not what they used to be. Point is, if one wants to work, they can find it or get some retraining.

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