Thread: What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?

Originally Posted by piwanoi

H,It makes one wonder as to just what or whom could restore stability in Syria , maybe its just gone too far eh? Mind you I do not see a multitude of refugee's and Asylum seekers fleeing the Golan do you? Israel scorns UN stance on Golan: Should we negotiate with Islamic State? | The Times of Israel

Well given that they're doing their best to purge Israel of Arabs, that's hardly a surprise, is it?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by piwanoi

H,It makes one wonder as to just what or whom could restore stability in Syria , maybe its just gone too far eh? Mind you I do not see a multitude of refugee's and Asylum seekers fleeing the Golan do you? Israel scorns UN stance on Golan: Should we negotiate with Islamic State? | The Times of Israel

Well given that they're doing their best to purge Israel of Arabs, that's hardly a surprise, is it?

Well being that the Arab population is over 1,600,000 and comprises of slightly over 20% in Israel who appear to be happy there with full voting rights even for women ,I would suggest the Israeli's face a rather daunting task ahead of them eh?

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by piwanoi

H,It makes one wonder as to just what or whom could restore stability in Syria , maybe its just gone too far eh? Mind you I do not see a multitude of refugee's and Asylum seekers fleeing the Golan do you? Israel scorns UN stance on Golan: Should we negotiate with Islamic State? | The Times of Israel

Well given that they're doing their best to purge Israel of Arabs, that's hardly a surprise, is it?

Well being that the Arab population is over 1,600,000 and comprises of slightly over 20% in Israel who appear to be happy there with full voting rights even for women ,I would suggest the Israeli's face a rather daunting task ahead of them eh?

Watch that last with the Arab birth rate outstripping them year by year.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by jabir

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The breakup?

It's already a failed state; without Putin and Iran supporting him, Assad would be long gone.

As I said, it would be much worse than it is now. IS would be in charge of most of it, Kurds would want their own state, Turkey would get militarily involved (even more so than has been) to prevent any Kurdish state emerging, just for starters. Putin has said that supporting Assad is the best option of the poor options available.

That's just bullshit. The best option would have been to replace the government early on with a more inclusive one, but he fucked that up.

The Sunni will never, ever forgive Assad.

Of course they won't forgive him, he's not Sunni, or Shia, so they never forgave him for that anyway. But to say the region would be better off without Assad displays a typical clipped western view that if you continue making increasingly outlandish blunders eventually you'll end up making one small enough to hail as a success.

As Neverna said, create yet another vacuum and Turkey will use the opportunity to take on the Kurds under a false flag, Jordan becomes IS's next and only plausible direction for retreat giving the Israelis no choice but to get involved, and even a novice western mind should be able to figure out some of those implications. I don't think even a Clinton on her most vicious day could claim to find a bunch of 'friendly' rebels in that mix. And as that fun's taking our attention, Iran and Russian spheres reach right across Iraq and Syria to the Med with direct land threats to Kuwait and the Gulf states.

Could be you don't mind wild rides and hundreds of thousands more civilians killed under the pretext of saving them with another 6-8 million displaced, many of which will end up on heading for Europe, because then you could ease back in your armchair and dismiss it as another wog generated event.

And what do you suppose mad dog NATO's obligations would be if member Turkey takes on Turkish Kurdistan as a defensive engagement, or EU/US/Russian positions while the Israeli's are moving through Jordan (both non-NATO) to engage the IS with or without an invite?

What sort of fucking multinic moron thinks that Assad and Putin are ever going to restore stability in Syria when 70% of the population want him (well both of them) strung up?

Nobody is looking for stability in that region over the foreseeable future; that's gone, and now it's a question of the least terrible of some real terrible options.

Originally Posted by jabir

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by jabir

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Neverna

As I said, it would be much worse than it is now. IS would be in charge of most of it, Kurds would want their own state, Turkey would get militarily involved (even more so than has been) to prevent any Kurdish state emerging, just for starters. Putin has said that supporting Assad is the best option of the poor options available.

That's just bullshit. The best option would have been to replace the government early on with a more inclusive one, but he fucked that up.

The Sunni will never, ever forgive Assad.

Of course they won't forgive him, he's not Sunni, or Shia, so they never forgave him for that anyway. But to say the region would be better off without Assad displays a typical clipped western view that if you continue making increasingly outlandish blunders eventually you'll end up making one small enough to hail as a success.

As Neverna said, create yet another vacuum and Turkey will use the opportunity to take on the Kurds under a false flag, Jordan becomes IS's next and only plausible direction for retreat giving the Israelis no choice but to get involved, and even a novice western mind should be able to figure out some of those implications. I don't think even a Clinton on her most vicious day could claim to find a bunch of 'friendly' rebels in that mix. And as that fun's taking our attention, Iran and Russian spheres reach right across Iraq and Syria to the Med with direct land threats to Kuwait and the Gulf states.

Could be you don't mind wild rides and hundreds of thousands more civilians killed under the pretext of saving them with another 6-8 million displaced, many of which will end up on heading for Europe, because then you could ease back in your armchair and dismiss it as another wog generated event.

And what do you suppose mad dog NATO's obligations would be if member Turkey takes on Turkish Kurdistan as a defensive engagement, or EU/US/Russian positions while the Israeli's are moving through Jordan (both non-NATO) to engage the IS with or without an invite?

What sort of fucking multinic moron thinks that Assad and Putin are ever going to restore stability in Syria when 70% of the population want him (well both of them) strung up?

Nobody is looking for stability in that region over the foreseeable future; that's gone, and now it's a question of the least terrible of some real terrible options.

Just what are they looking for then, and what are the terrible options ?

Assad was following his dad's model, which was to keep killing people until you've wiped out your opposition.

30,000-40,000 did it for Dad.

This would be in the millions, even tens of millions.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Assad was following his dad's model, which was to keep killing people until you've wiped out your opposition.

30,000-40,000 did it for Dad.

This would be in the millions, even tens of millions.

You mean one Islamic sect wants to wipe out another Different Islamic sect ?

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Assad was following his dad's model, which was to keep killing people until you've wiped out your opposition.

30,000-40,000 did it for Dad.

This would be in the millions, even tens of millions.

You mean one Islamic sect wants to wipe out another Different Islamic sect ?

No, I mean one murderous dictator doesn't care how many he kills as long as he can hang onto power.

He learned it off his old man.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Assad was following his dad's model, which was to keep killing people until you've wiped out your opposition.

30,000-40,000 did it for Dad.

This would be in the millions, even tens of millions.

You mean one Islamic sect wants to wipe out another Different Islamic sect ?

No, I mean one murderous dictator doesn't care how many he kills as long as he can hang onto power.

He learned it off his old man.

I can understand were you are coming from H but that does not alter the fact that Assad and his old man have murdered countless thousands of fellow Muslims, and to a certain degree it appears he's getting plenty of assistance from Iran .

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Assad was following his dad's model, which was to keep killing people until you've wiped out your opposition.

30,000-40,000 did it for Dad.

This would be in the millions, even tens of millions.

You mean one Islamic sect wants to wipe out another Different Islamic sect ?

No, I mean one murderous dictator doesn't care how many he kills as long as he can hang onto power.

He learned it off his old man.

I can understand were you are coming from H but that does not alter the fact that Assad and his old man have murdered countless thousands of fellow Muslims, and to a certain degree it appears he's getting plenty of assistance from Iran .

Agreed, if they weren't a different sect, I doubt others would have got involved.

But Assad's motivation I doubt is sectarian, just a desire to stay in power.

Its a bit like the Chicken and egg ain't it H, they got rid of the Dictators Ghadaffi and Sadamm both having the blood of Countless thousands on their hands and what a fuck up they made ,as stated before OK they get rid of Assad just who or what is going to replace him? ,or maybe its as you say its gone too far now ,but for sure whoever deposes Assad by force of Arms there's gonna be an even bigger bloodbath , what a fuck up!!.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Assad was following his dad's model, which was to keep killing people until you've wiped out your opposition.

30,000-40,000 did it for Dad.

This would be in the millions, even tens of millions.

You mean one Islamic sect wants to wipe out another Different Islamic sect ?

No, I mean one murderous dictator doesn't care how many he kills as long as he can hang onto power.

He learned it off his old man.

I can understand were you are coming from H but that does not alter the fact that Assad and his old man have murdered countless thousands of fellow Muslims, and to a certain degree it appears he's getting plenty of assistance from Iran .

And the rebels who started the killing are getting plenty of assistance from the US, Saudis and others but you ignore that and blame Assad for every last death.
From : Syria: The story of the conflict - BBC News

A UN commission of inquiryhas evidence that all parties to the conflict have committed war crimes - including murder, torture, rape and enforced disappearances. They have also been accused of using civilian suffering - such as blocking access to food, water and health services through sieges - as a method of war.

Yes there have been war crimes committed but by all sides and the US is not helping by providing ever more lethal weapons :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3466590/The-moment-Syrian-rebels-fire-60-000-American-missile-4-5million-Russian-tank-missile-WINS.html

http://www.janes.com/article/59374/us-arms-shipment-to-syrian-rebels-detailed

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/04/14/wsj-u-s-plans-arm-syrian-rebels-fighting-assad-ceasefire-fails/

So the so called moderate opposition are going to get even more powerful weapons to be able to kill more people more efficiently.

Originally Posted by birding

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Assad was following his dad's model, which was to keep killing people until you've wiped out your opposition.

30,000-40,000 did it for Dad.

This would be in the millions, even tens of millions.

You mean one Islamic sect wants to wipe out another Different Islamic sect ?

No, I mean one murderous dictator doesn't care how many he kills as long as he can hang onto power.

He learned it off his old man.

I can understand were you are coming from H but that does not alter the fact that Assad and his old man have murdered countless thousands of fellow Muslims, and to a certain degree it appears he's getting plenty of assistance from Iran .

And the rebels who started the killing are getting plenty of assistance from the US, Saudis and others but you ignore that and blame Assad for every last death.
From : Syria: The story of the conflict - BBC News

A UN commission of inquiryhas evidence that all parties to the conflict have committed war crimes - including murder, torture, rape and enforced disappearances. They have also been accused of using civilian suffering - such as blocking access to food, water and health services through sieges - as a method of war.

Yes there have been war crimes committed but by all sides and the US is not helping by providing ever more lethal weapons :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3466590/The-moment-Syrian-rebels-fire-60-000-American-missile-4-5million-Russian-tank-missile-WINS.html

http://www.janes.com/article/59374/us-arms-shipment-to-syrian-rebels-detailed

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/04/14/wsj-u-s-plans-arm-syrian-rebels-fighting-assad-ceasefire-fails/

So the so called moderate opposition are going to get even more powerful weapons to be able to kill more people more efficiently.

Show me were I blamed Assad ? , I said if he is deposed it will be an even bigger bloodbath , try and follow what I posted , the thing is the Different Muslim sects cannot live in peace with each other, end of .

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I really don't see why folks are arguing the toss here.

Just like Vietnam and countless other places, leave the fukers alone, let them do what they want, it's their fuking country... &, we (us and America) always kill more folks than they manage to themselves so this humanitarian idea is inane; does anybody actually believe that? Iraq - humanitarian mission and they were an international threat. Afghanistan - humanitarian mission and they were an international threat. Libya - humanitarian mission and they were an international threat. Syria - humanitarian mission and they were an international threat.

You gotta be really really dumb to keep buying said propaganda, imho...

BB if you read my post 2188 I think we are more or less on common ground .

Originally Posted by birding

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Assad was following his dad's model, which was to keep killing people until you've wiped out your opposition.

30,000-40,000 did it for Dad.

This would be in the millions, even tens of millions.

You mean one Islamic sect wants to wipe out another Different Islamic sect ?

No, I mean one murderous dictator doesn't care how many he kills as long as he can hang onto power.

He learned it off his old man.

I can understand were you are coming from H but that does not alter the fact that Assad and his old man have murdered countless thousands of fellow Muslims, and to a certain degree it appears he's getting plenty of assistance from Iran .

And the rebels who started the killing are getting plenty of assistance from the US, Saudis and others but you ignore that and blame Assad for every last death.
From : Syria: The story of the conflict - BBC News

A UN commission of inquiryhas evidence that all parties to the conflict have committed war crimes - including murder, torture, rape and enforced disappearances. They have also been accused of using civilian suffering - such as blocking access to food, water and health services through sieges - as a method of war.

Yes there have been war crimes committed but by all sides and the US is not helping by providing ever more lethal weapons :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3466590/The-moment-Syrian-rebels-fire-60-000-American-missile-4-5million-Russian-tank-missile-WINS.html

http://www.janes.com/article/59374/us-arms-shipment-to-syrian-rebels-detailed

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/04/14/wsj-u-s-plans-arm-syrian-rebels-fighting-assad-ceasefire-fails/

So the so called moderate opposition are going to get even more powerful weapons to be able to kill more people more efficiently.

Yes we all know it's a shit storm now you fucking moron.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Hey H read this , it don't get any better does it? , what a fucking shambles Articles: What Outcome do we Seek in Syria? The comments on it are quite interesting too.

Yeah I stopped reading the comments at the first one:

The chief problem in Syria is the United States itself, along with its allies in the Sunni Arab world and Turkey - who persist in trying to topple the Assad government, which - by Middle Eastern standards - is reasonably tolerant.

I don't know any other Middle Eastern country currently bombing its own citizens.

Assad's been doing it for five years.

Unfortunately there are just too many of them to wipe out.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I don't know any other Middle Eastern country currently bombing its own citizens.

Bombing citizens of neighboring countries is ok though as long as it fits with the US world order.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I really don't see why folks are arguing the toss here.

Just like Vietnam and countless other places, leave the fukers alone, let them do what they want, it's their fuking country... &, we (us and America) always kill more folks than they manage to themselves so this humanitarian idea is inane; does anybody actually believe that? Iraq - humanitarian mission and they were an international threat. Afghanistan - humanitarian mission and they were an international threat. Libya - humanitarian mission and they were an international threat. Syria - humanitarian mission and they were an international threat.

You gotta be really really dumb to keep buying said propaganda, imho...

guess what ? the majority of people are dumb, and yes, they will fall into the same trap over and over again

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by birding

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by piwanoi

You mean one Islamic sect wants to wipe out another Different Islamic sect ?

No, I mean one murderous dictator doesn't care how many he kills as long as he can hang onto power.

He learned it off his old man.

I can understand were you are coming from H but that does not alter the fact that Assad and his old man have murdered countless thousands of fellow Muslims, and to a certain degree it appears he's getting plenty of assistance from Iran .

And the rebels who started the killing are getting plenty of assistance from the US, Saudis and others but you ignore that and blame Assad for every last death.
From : Syria: The story of the conflict - BBC News

A UN commission of inquiryhas evidence that all parties to the conflict have committed war crimes - including murder, torture, rape and enforced disappearances. They have also been accused of using civilian suffering - such as blocking access to food, water and health services through sieges - as a method of war.

Yes there have been war crimes committed but by all sides and the US is not helping by providing ever more lethal weapons :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3466590/The-moment-Syrian-rebels-fire-60-000-American-missile-4-5million-Russian-tank-missile-WINS.html

http://www.janes.com/article/59374/us-arms-shipment-to-syrian-rebels-detailed

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/04/14/wsj-u-s-plans-arm-syrian-rebels-fighting-assad-ceasefire-fails/

So the so called moderate opposition are going to get even more powerful weapons to be able to kill more people more efficiently.

Yes we all know it's a shit storm now you fucking moron.

And it wasn't a shit storm before, so instead of scratching our heads as to what created the shit storm let's do it through a process of elimination.

Easy; can't possibly be western mismanagement and corruption so it must be the wogs.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Hey H read this , it don't get any better does it? , what a fucking shambles Articles: What Outcome do we Seek in Syria? The comments on it are quite interesting too.

Yeah I stopped reading the comments at the first one:

The chief problem in Syria is the United States itself, along with its allies in the Sunni Arab world and Turkey - who persist in trying to topple the Assad government, which - by Middle Eastern standards - is reasonably tolerant.

I don't know any other Middle Eastern country currently bombing its own citizens.

Assad's been doing it for five years.

Unfortunately there are just too many of them to wipe out.

Yes, five years ago he just woke up one morning and decided to start bombing his own people.