What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?

**OhOh** · 19-08-2016, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by Humbert

A victim of a Russian airstrike. An airstrike targeting hospitals and aid centers. An airstrike in violation of the cease fire

I presume you have some proof and links to support your allegations.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Ones that are slaughtering their people like dogs with military weapons, just to stay in power, need to go. Need to go to The Hague actually.

One presumes you are talking about the head chopping terrorists, their weapons suppliers, their trainers, their technical advosors, their medical backup teams .....

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

See above.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Certainly. Start with Google and look for "Syrian Child Ambulance".

Ah, the old see which propaganda team can swamp the Ameristani propaganda source, Google. Good idea or not?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

That video is a U rated compared to the stuff that the boys circulate here.

One assumes all the multiple "reporters" were unable to assist in the recovery of the injured, thus allowing the trained medics to administer care to the "injured" child.

One assumes that all the medical team's normal language when dealing with emergencies is English, judging from the labeling of equipment in the ambulance.

One assumes you, harry, have taken your child to hospital at some time in the past and your child has sat there with blood pouring out of a head wound without a murmur.

One assumes the medical team have plenty of time to clean the debris from the ambulance in between the constant barrage of bombs.

One assumes the pleasantly tubby child has been eating well in the alleged starving city, which is undergoing horrific depravation both medically and nutritiously, according to the UN.

One assumes the action of the child when touching his head wound and not flinching in pain, as observed in your posted video, is because his head wound has been numbed, or it is a fake.

One assumes the child's clothes have been changed, due to the enormous loss of blood a head wound normally causes and would have spoilt the child's appeal.

One assumes the man staggering to the ambulance with the head wound, again showing little of the normal gushing of blood associated with the vast network of the blood supply to the brain, did not need a bandage to stop the "blood".

One assumes the medical team extracting the "survivors" from, alleged by some here, the Russian bombers, have time under the rubble to clean and bandage the wounds or is it standard practice in the "war zone" to make the wounded with blood pouring from head wounds to walk to an ambulance. Or is it for effect?

One assumes the they are not of the already discredited "White Helmet" type of "saviours" of the downtrodden and injured throughout, the terrorist and their masters caused, war zone.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

since you get your "news" from RT and similar whackjob propaganda sites

They actually have your "story" today, maybe they have accepted the "story" as fact after either checking it or being advised to print it. The LORD hasn't advised me of which to write, yet. He is a busy man though.

One wonders why the child and his family, given they have been warned and advised to leave Allepo, if this event is from there, did not take the opportunity to save them selves from injury. Opportunities have been given for their move out of the acknowledged war zone. Are they of the terrorist ilk, were they stopped from leaving and hence became human shields for the terrorist or is this event yet another shameful act by the Ameristani led crusader coalition?

Originally Posted by jabir

The Hague??

He probably meant to say that the current Hague bosses are all dictators.

Do you have any facts at all, except a yutub video and multiple google searches.

M'lud, I call for this case to be dismissed and damages awarded to my client.

**piwanoi** · 19-08-2016, 11:15 AM

^OH Oh Whilst in no way am I taking sides or even offering an opinion on this on going tragedy , never the less your post does have its merits without any doubt .

**OhOh** · 19-08-2016, 11:24 AM

^All I am saying

Is give me the .........

FACTS.

**piwanoi** · 19-08-2016, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by OhOh

^All I am saying

Is give me the .........

FACTS.

Yeah And that is EXACTLY why I say your post has its merits

**piwanoi** · 19-08-2016, 12:00 PM

Oh oh ,The whole World saw the photo of the little 3 year old boy dead on the Beach , and the whole World was conned as the real story was not revealed until later Migrant crisis: The truth about the boy on the beach Aylan Kurdi | Express Comment | Comment | Daily Express

**Humbert** · 19-08-2016, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

All I am saying

Is give me the .........

FACTS.

Fact: 4500 children killed in Aleppo by Assad since the civil war started.

**birding** · 19-08-2016, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by OhOh

All I am saying

Is give me the .........

FACTS.

Fact: 4500 children killed in Aleppo by Assad since the civil war started.

Assad has been a busy lad according to you.

No these children have not been killed by Assad but by the fact that rebel forces back and armed by the west and its allies have taken over the city and are fighting against the government forces.

Had the rebels not been there there would have been no deaths. They and their backers are solely responsible.

Read some facts : Here's what you need to know about 'The Great Battle of Aleppo'

If you dont want to believe that try the LA Times : Soldiers on both sides see the fight for Aleppo as a battle between jihadists - LA Times

A snip :

And even on the homefront, the rebel success has terrified the approximately 1.5 million people living in western, government-held Aleppo.

“Will the jihadists spare the Christians of Aleppo?” Aleppo resident Tony Sakkal asked in an interview with Lebanese newspaper L’Orient Le Jour last week. “Of course not. They’ll cut off our heads.”

**Humbert** · 19-08-2016, 12:56 PM

^Most of the deaths occured because of barrel bombs and shelling by government forces birdbrain. You are trying to peddle the ridiculous notion that 4500 children were killed in small arms crossfires.

**piwanoi** · 19-08-2016, 01:00 PM

^^ I was going to ask the question would the population of Syria be better off if Assad is deposed ? reading your links and remarks it would appear highly doubt full .

**OhOh** · 19-08-2016, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Fact: 4500 children killed in Aleppo by Assad since the civil war started.

Would you care to share your source of these alleged facts?

**harrybarracuda** · 19-08-2016, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by piwanoi

^^ I was going to ask the question would the population of Syria be better off if Assad is deposed ? reading your links and remarks it would appear highly doubt full .

No, it would have been had he been deposed early on.

Too late now.

**harrybarracuda** · 19-08-2016, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Certainly. Start with Google and look for "Syrian Child Ambulance".

Ah, the old see which propaganda team can swamp the Ameristani propaganda source, Google. Good idea or not?

You are such a tosser. First you refuse to believe this photograph and video is on newspapers and screens around the world.

Then when you're proven wrong yet again, you twist the narrative.

It's like listening to an angry 9-year-old.

**jabir** · 19-08-2016, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by OhOh

All I am saying

Is give me the .........

FACTS.

Fact: 4500 children killed in Aleppo by Assad since the civil war started.

Assuming that's true though highly unlikely, how many children did you people kill under the pretext of protecting them, before you started the Syrian civil war?

Don't be embarrassed to have a guess.

**jabir** · 19-08-2016, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by piwanoi

^^ I was going to ask the question would the population of Syria be better off if Assad is deposed ? reading your links and remarks it would appear highly doubt full .

Ask yourself the same question in relation to Libya and Iraq.

**OhOh** · 19-08-2016, 01:54 PM

No.1 source from harrys favourite goggle search engine.

CNN (No. 1 out of 111,000) repeats

Syria: Little boy in Aleppo a reminder of war's horror - CNN.com

"Thousands of people have been killed there, including 4,500 children, and many lives have been upended."

1. No attribution as to who killed them, where or source of numbers
2. No attribution as to where killed .
3. No attribution as to source of numbers

"4,557 Children killed," image attributed to Syrian Observatory for Human Rights*.

1. No attribution as to who killed them, where or source of numbers
2. No attribution as to where killed .
3. No attribution as to source of numbers

* Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (One British person working from a UK house allegedly "assisted by" MI6. His main source of the "facts" he accumulates is his telephone.)

Surely even you, the product of the great western education system, can see that your "evidence" or "facts" are little more, if that even, than propaganda.

**bsnub** · 19-08-2016, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by birding

Read some facts : Here's what you need to know about 'The Great Battle of Aleppo'

Why is it that you tin foil nutters dont vet your sources? This website that you claim has the "facts" is run by Alexander Mercouris a disbarred disgraced lawyer. It has no credibility other than it supports your narrative so it must be the "facts".

Who is Alexander Mercouris? Lets find out shall we?

Russian Media Columnist Alexander Mercouris struck off over claim that senior law lord had him kidnapped

Past comes back to haunt struck off barrister turned Russia commentator

So your website is just another propaganda arm of the Russian government. Nice try though.

**piwanoi** · 19-08-2016, 01:59 PM

Again not taking sides H as the who thing is a terrible tragedy and opinions and accusations as to who is responsible differ wildly , but the Problem is Photographs often do not tell the whole story and some times distort the truth , which was certainly the case of the little 3 year old boy who drowned and was found dead on the beach which was seen by the Worlds news media, the sad story is all there in my post 2130 , and this story was carried by all the leading newspapers and news agencys such as CNN,BBC and Reuters .

**OhOh** · 19-08-2016, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Then when you're proven wrong yet again, you twist the narrative.

When, or should I say if, you can show me proof I will gladly apologise to you for your brilliance in bringing to my attention the outcome of war. Not for utilising a child for propaganda.

Please, let it be more substantial than a video. Which, may or may not, be genuine. Or have you forgotten other "fake" videos purporting to show evil actions, which turned out to be, shall we say, fiction.

**bsnub** · 19-08-2016, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

can see that your "evidence" or "facts" are little more, if that even, than propaganda.

Of course you are right its all made up. Assad is a saint just like your gay fantasies Putin and Kim Jong-un.

**harrybarracuda** · 19-08-2016, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by OhOh

can see that your "evidence" or "facts" are little more, if that even, than propaganda.

Of course you are right its all made up. Assad is a saint just like your gay fantasies Putin and Kim Jong-un.

The ironic thing is that when he's wanking off to RT, which is essentially a mouthpiece for any piece of bullshit Putin wants to put out, he believes every word.

Let's face it, the bloke's a fucking idiot.

**OhOh** · 19-08-2016, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You are such a tosser. First you refuse to believe this photograph and video is on newspapers and screens around the world. Then when you're proven wrong yet again, you twist the narrative.

Read newspapers, c'mon harry. Screens around the world, no TV.

If you think I'm going to chase around searching for evidence to back up your assertions harry. You have forgotten the first law of the jungle, save your calories.

I became aware of the news items availability whilst checking some news sites. That of course doesn't mean because some news sites carry it, it's true in any way.

I have not "twisted" anything I have pointed out along with others here on this forum that one cannot just believe everything one sees or hears as the truth.

I was working for a major oil company. I was asked to "improve" their information system. Having assets throughout the world meant information was third or fourth hand at best. When an international news organisation headlined an explosion, deaths and ongoing fires at one of their overseas refineries what did you think was their main concern when head office saw the share price collapse, because of the headlined world news bulletin.

They needed facts. The telephone system was down, no internet connections. What they did have was maps and plans and local photographs around the site. Boxes and boxes of them. They themselves knew they were legit. How because they had checked the sources, they had audited their secure information system but they needed to get a "story" to the news media and hence bring the share price back up if possible.

They needed a system which allowed for searches for all information quickly and to be available in multiple locations, able to create an auditable/proven information pack and be passed quickly to those who needed it - like the companies PR group spokesman. Which luckily a system I knew about, did.

Money was handed over and the oil company was delivered an, at the time, excellent company asset/information mining system. Probably thrown away years ago. But you ride one wave, enjoy it and then wait for the next. C'est la vie.

The "FACTS" were that the "news" companies camera had used a certain position which although showing in the background one companies logoed fuel tanks safe. The tanks in the foreground, which were on fire, but were actually in another companies property. Being next door to each other, the companies fuel tanks, to an ignorant cameraman and his tame reporter assumed they belonged to the same company. Their news "story" named the wrong company.

The heat and smoke of a fire, not a war, not a battle did it matter to the reporter, probably not. They filed the story, London took the news and ran with it. Did they check the facts, maybe. Were they bothered, maybe. Did their lawyers warn them of the consequences, maybe.

Did the oil company sue the news company, maybe. The oil companies share price recovered and a few financial experts probably made or lost money. The oil companies subsequently had bunkers in a number of it's offices manned and primed to be able to respond appropriately for any future "incidents".

Word got out, more oil companies were interested, more money changed hand .............

As some say, "Time and money wait for no man".

**OhOh** · 19-08-2016, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The ironic thing is that when he's wanking off to RT, which is essentially a mouthpiece for any piece of bullshit Putin wants to put out, he believes every word.

Your choices of porn are always correct/non biased harry?

Wake up, clear that brain of yours and use it to your advantage. Don't stoop to amusing the ignorant and creating a harry team of serpents, let them slither around in their own faeces.

**bsnub** · 19-08-2016, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Let's face it, the bloke's a fucking idiot.

No doubt. That is why the entire forum has abandoned him. He is a laughable clown. A usable idiot of the Russian propaganda arm.

**Cold Pizza** · 19-08-2016, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Let's face it, the bloke's a fucking idiot.

No doubt. That is why the entire forum has abandoned him. He is a laughable clown. A usable idiot of the Russian propaganda arm.

Who are you guys referring to?

(Sorry I missed it.)

**piwanoi** · 19-08-2016, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by OhOh

can see that your "evidence" or "facts" are little more, if that even, than propaganda.

Of course you are right its all made up. Assad is a saint just like your gay fantasies Putin and Kim Jong-un.

Trying to look at this sensibly, one cannot base facts on a Photograph as was clearly shown with the so called facts of the article in my post 2130 , of course we all know of the horrendous things that are happening right now in Aleppo but IMHO to apportion blame and come out and say the Russians are deliberately bombing hospitals etc etc is at best rather unwise .

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