What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?

**OhOh** · 14-01-2016, 02:40 PM

There used to be terrorist, they were the bad guys. These were then split into good terrorists and bad terrorists, the distinction was somewhat undetermined. The current UKPM has now introduced yet another sub-group of terrorists, the "relatively hardline Islamist groups, not to be confused with the spice girl group.

He failed to inform the UK public whether they were more or less bad than the "moderate terrorists". He also included this new group, RH_ISIS, into the people who would flock to the aid of UK nationals if attacked by the real bad ISIS terrorists groups anywhere in the world, when asking parliament to vote for war in Syria.

The current UKPM himself appears to be confused with that statement in this picture, recently taken in between pig roastings at No 10.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...militants.html

"Mr Cameron published a 36-page dossier last monthdetailing a series of arguments as towhy it was militarily, legally and morally right to launch air strikes against Isil in Syria. He said then that the strikes would relieve pressure on the 70,000-strong Syrian opposition fighters who have shown themselves capable of “retaking and holding Isil territory”and “relieving the suffering of the civilian population” there.

However, questioned about the 70,000 'army', Mr Cameron said on Tuesday: “Are all of these people impeccable democrats who would share the view of democracy that you and I have? “No, some of them do belong to Islamist groups and some of them belong to relatively hardline Islamist groups but nonetheless that’s the best estimate of the peoplethat we have potentially to work with.”

An estimate of the potential numbers, of their morals or both which is it cameroon?It appears once again the UK Parliament have been sold a pup with regards to the reasons to fight yet another war at the behest of their masters.

**rickschoppers** · 14-01-2016, 05:07 PM

ISIS launches attack in Jakarta?

Jakarta attacks: Bombs and gunfire rock Indonesian capital - BBC News

**harrybarracuda** · 14-01-2016, 06:02 PM

More likely Jemaah Islamiyah, who are affiliated to Al Qaeda.

**Neo** · 24-01-2016, 04:52 PM

As I expected after recent Kurdish offers to be the boots on the ground after their success in northern Syria, they are now going to be hung out to dry by NATO. US inc have decided there's not enough profit in regional stabilisation and are backing military escalation in an alliance with Turkey. Such a mxed bag of messages in this BBC report, but reading between the lines it seems to say that any enemy of Turkey is a legitimate target.. well we know where that could lead.

The PKK "is a terror group plain and simple", Mr Biden said

US Vice-President Joe Biden has said the US and Turkey are prepared to seek a military solution against so-called Islamic State (IS) if a political agreement in Syria proves impossible.

Mr Biden said a political deal "would be better" but "if that's not possible" the US would pursue alternatives.
US officials said Mr Biden's remarks on a deal referred to planned peace talks between Syrian officials and rebels.

They said his comment on possible military action applied only to IS.

The US vice-president was speaking after meeting Turkish PM Ahmet Davutoglu in Istanbul.

Commenting on the chance of achieving a political settlement in Syria, Mr Biden said: "We are neither optimistic or pessimistic. We are determined."

Referring to possible military action, he said this would entail "taking out Daesh", using the Arabic acronym for IS.

Mr Biden said he and Mr Davutoglu had discussed how their countries could further support Sunni Arab rebels opposing Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

'Absolutely outrageous'

In other comments, Mr Biden said Washington recognised that the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), which is banned in Turkey, was as much of a threat to Ankara as IS.

"It is a terror group plain and simple and what they continue to do is absolutely outrageous," he said.

The PKK, which is listed as a terrorist group by Washington and the EU, has been accused of carrying out a number of deadly attacks on Turkish security forces since a truce collapsed in July.

The group, which has been fighting Turkey for an autonomous homeland for the Kurds for decades, has said the truce had "no meaning" after it faced assaults from Turkish forces.

Mr Biden, who also held talks with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan during his visit, on Friday strongly criticised restrictions on freedom of expression in Turkey.

He said that intimidating journalists, shutting down social media and accusing government critics of treason set a poor example to the region.

**OhOh** · 25-01-2016, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by Neo

He said that intimidating journalists, shutting down social media and accusing government critics of treason set a poor example to the region.

Pot and a black kettle there somewhere!

**rickschoppers** · 27-01-2016, 02:35 PM

Trump says he has a solution to get rid of ISIS, but he has to be elected as president before he will reveal it.

Donald Trump Has 'Foolproof' Plan to Defeat ISIS - But He Won't Share It (Video)

**harrybarracuda** · 27-01-2016, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Trump says he has a solution to get rid of ISIS, but he has to be elected as president before he will reveal it.

Donald Trump Has 'Foolproof' Plan to Defeat ISIS - But He Won't Share It (Video)

Absolutely fucking magic.

"And what is your fiscal policy going to be?"

"I'll tell you when I'm elected".

"And Defence?"

etc. etc.

Dump Trump the Chump!

**rickschoppers** · 27-01-2016, 02:39 PM

You catch on quickly Harry.

**harrybarracuda** · 27-01-2016, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

You catch on quickly Harry.

Well not really because he came out with that bollocks last year.

**rickschoppers** · 27-01-2016, 03:49 PM

And again you noticed a fine point Harry. You are two for two and on a roll.

**harrybarracuda** · 27-01-2016, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

And again you noticed a fine point Harry. You are two for two and on a roll.

I am infallible rick.

It doesn't matter if you post year old shit or breaking shit, it's still shit.

**OhOh** · 29-01-2016, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

shit or breaking shit, it's still shit.

You would know, strutting around the forum leaving shit all over it! Who has done a similar thing in the past?

**harrybarracuda** · 29-01-2016, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

shit or breaking shit, it's still shit.

You would know, strutting around the forum leaving shit all over it! Who has done a similar thing in the past?

Wow, really snappy comeback there OhOh.

**panama hat** · 30-01-2016, 03:11 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

You catch on quickly Harry.

Well not really because he came out with that bollocks last year.

I really do wonder how anyone can take this clown seriously as a presidential candidate - I understand he appeals to the mentally lightweight population, but can there really be that many in the US????
Having loved there often and long I know there are many, but not this cringeworthy-dumb

**Neo** · 30-01-2016, 03:57 AM

Originally Posted by panama hat

I understand he appeals to the mentally lightweight population, but can there really be that many in the US????

Intelligent life is becoming an endangered species in the US

**rickschoppers** · 30-01-2016, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

You catch on quickly Harry.

Well not really because he came out with that bollocks last year.

I really do wonder how anyone can take this clown seriously as a presidential candidate - I understand he appeals to the mentally lightweight population, but can there really be that many in the US????
Having loved there often and long I know there are many, but not this cringeworthy-dumb

PH, I did not know you loved often and long in the US. Were you there in the 60s?

As for the Donald, he knows what most Americans are saying under their breathe. Obviously you have not lived in America lately.

**panama hat** · 30-01-2016, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

PH, I did not know you loved often and long in the US

I did, actually . . . both quantitatively and qualitatively.

Ahem, back to the discussion at hand.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

As for the Donald, he knows what most Americans are saying under their breathe. Obviously you have not lived in America lately.

Perhaps the Americans YOU know, not the Americans I know.

I suggest that you and I travelled in different circles.

**HermantheGerman** · 30-01-2016, 02:31 PM

The Netherlands are joining the fun. Better late then never

Jeezus, are there any targets left at all ? Maybe they are practicing for their next target/country ? Ahh well, bombs away.

Islamic State: Netherlands to join US-led coalition air strikes in Syria

**HermantheGerman** · 30-01-2016, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by panama hat

I understand he appeals to the mentally lightweight population, but can there really be that many in the US????

Intelligent life is becoming an endangered species in the US

Have to be fair here, Great Britain is doesn't look much better !

**Neverna** · 30-01-2016, 03:13 PM

Four Dutch F-16 jet fighters

"We are going to deploy the F-16s above Syria, in particular to stop the pipeline leading from Syria into Iraq," Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte told reporters.

The four Dutch F-16 jet fighters which have been pounding IS targets in Iraq since October 2014 would "remain active until July 1 over the enlarged zone," the government statement said.

"We are convinced that only a consistent approach to bring back stability in Iraq and Syria," Foreign Minister Bert Koenders said.

Islamic State: Netherlands to join US-led coalition air strikes in Syria - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

**Neo** · 30-01-2016, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by panama hat

I understand he appeals to the mentally lightweight population, but can there really be that many in the US????

Intelligent life is becoming an endangered species in the US

Have to be fair here, Great Britain is doesn't look much better !

The UK hasn't yet got to the point where they cull the population at the point of education.

**HermantheGerman** · 30-01-2016, 07:39 PM

^ got me

**OhOh** · 31-01-2016, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by panama hat

I suggest that you and I travelled in different circles.

With friends like this I have no doubt.

Hey bitch, get your ass over here!

Originally Posted by Neverna

"We are going to deploy the F-16s above Syria, in particular to stop the pipeline leading from Syria into Iraq,

One wonders why a pipeline is still servicable after years of crusader coalition bombing?

**Neverna** · 31-01-2016, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by Neverna

"We are going to deploy the F-16s above Syria, in particular to stop the pipeline leading from Syria into Iraq,

One wonders why a pipeline is still servicable after years of crusader coalition bombing?

I think he might have meant a "pipeline" of IS troops, weapons and supplies rather than an oil pipeline. If that's the case, it means they want IS to remain in Syria and not in Iraq.

If he meant an oil pipeline from Syria into Iraq, blowing it up in Iraq would be just as effective as blowing it up in Syria.

**OhOh** · 01-02-2016, 10:35 AM

^Yes probably.

However, how can any pipeline of goods, people etc. be allowed to operate. Hasn't the crusader coalition blown up all the easy targets? Hasn't the crusader coalition have such overwhelming and exceptional technology that they can identify a terrorist from space satellites?

I thought the last few years of bombing had "significantly contained" the bad terrorists leaving only the moderately good terrorists, who we can sit down and talk of peace with?

Some people are being lied to here.

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