MInd you the old Russkies were a bit special when they caught the Germans.
Some very nasty stuff indeed, IS maybe even saw some of the videos.
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MInd you the old Russkies were a bit special when they caught the Germans.
Some very nasty stuff indeed, IS maybe even saw some of the videos.
Who could blame them, considering? After what the Krauts did it must have taken some pretty excessive generosity on the part of good old Ivan to leave a single one of the Herrenvolk alive and in any condition to breed. And, of course, unlike the Boche, who are all mouth, beer, and wind when it comes to ISIS, the Russkis are getting stuck in there and slaughtering a few thousand of the swine every day.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Seems to be some disagreement with the Putin Plan. The refugee crisis doesn't seem to be hurting Russia, but who wants to go there.
Syrian rebels decry Russian airstrikes: 'we have not had Isis here in over a year' | World news | The GuardianQuote:
Syrian rebels decry Russian airstrikes: 'we have not had Isis here in over a year'
Bunkered down in his base just north of Hama, Captain Mustafa of the Free Syria Army (FSA) is getting used to the Russian airstrikes. And he is growing just as accustomed to the assurances of his American backers: “We can have most of the weapons we want,” he says. “But nothing to shoot down the planes.”
More than a week since the Russian strikes began targeting them, and days after the US announced an end to its efforts to train forces to fight Isis, the original anti-Assad rebels of Syria’s north-west remain entrenched, though battered, in the towns and villages of their heartland.
Nearby, Syrian forces, which had barely moved for the past year, are trying to advance from the south, said Mustafa, the military spokesman of an FSA unit, Tajamul Ala’Azza. Further away in the north-east, Isis has made its strongest gains in many months, advancing across the top of Aleppo, while a mix of opposition groups clash nearby with Russian jets and artillery.
“The Russians have given them a boost, which is what they wanted to do by attacking the Syrian people,” said Mustafa. “The biggest disaster for them would be to acknowledge that a real opposition remains defiant and strong.
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Rebels in the vicinity of the regime strongholds of Tartous and Latakia, and the nearby Alawite hinterland, have been hit especially hard in the Russian offensive which was touted as a campaign against Isis, but which the US, Nato, and rebel groups claim has almost exclusively targeted non-jihadi opposition groups.
Other rebel groups in Idlib province have also been pounded and fear that Russia’s strategy is to destroy the opposition, leaving only the regime army and Isis standing. The Russian offensive west of Aleppo has stymied an opposition squeeze on the city. Meanwhile, Isis’s moves since Thursday have seen the terror group gain more ground than it had in many months.
“While the Russians were busy attacking us, they left [Isis] completely alone. Do I really need to spell out what’s behind all that?” asked Abu Saleh, a commander of an Islamist group near the town of Hreitan.
Over the past two years, the US has tried to vet rebel groups in the Mediterranean heartland and along the Jordanian border, where Isis has been unable to establish a foothold. It has frequently been at odds with Turkey, Qatar, the UAE and Saudi Arabia, who have all urged that battle-changing weapons, such as anti-aircraft rockets be handed over. Washington has consistently refused their introduction, fearing that they could instead be used to attack civilian aircraft in Syria, and elsewhere.
As the Russian attacks continue, new waves of refugees are on the move in Syria’s north. “Our families are trapped and there is nowhere to go to apart from hiding under the trees by the Turkish borders,” said al-Majad. “We prefer to die with dignity in our towns than dying in shame under the trees.”
Residents in the areas hit by Moscow late last week described widespread destruction of houses and buildings. “The destruction is incredible, and all of them are civilian homes,” said Adnan Kanjo, the head of the local council in Derrat al-Izza in western Aleppo. “This is the first time we see destruction at this scale. There is intense fear and terror – we can’t even open our schools.”
“The regime’s planes could bomb maybe one or two buildings, but now a whole district is destroyed. There is no specific time and we can’t take any more precautions. If you are destined to get killed you will get killed.
“These Russian warplanes say they are targeting Daesh [Isis],” he added. “Well, we have not had Daesh here in over a year. Marea [which Isis is besieging] is 60km away. And al-Bab [which it controls] is over 100km away. The bombing is targeting civilians. And where are the people going to go? I leave this question to be answered by the people who still have a conscience.”
“The main thing the regime has achieved is displacing civilians, and this trend will grow and these people will reach the border and try to leave Syria for Europe and other places, because there is no safe place for them or their children, and civil society cannot provide for their needs.”
With little access to opposition areas of Syria, aid agencies say it is next to impossible to quantify how many civilians have been displaced by the intensified fighting. Civic leaders in Idlib and Hama say thousands of families have left for the Turkish border, intending to join the migration route to Europe.
“They are not running from [Isis],” said Mahmoud Qubaisi, a resident of the Hama countryside. They stayed because there is no Isis here. We’re the ones who chased the terrorists away more than a year and a half ago. Not the Russians.”
Who backs whom in the Syrian conflict
Russia’s intervention has made the complex pattern of alliances and enmities in Syria still more intricate. The Assad regime and its local opponents are backed to differing degrees and in different configurations by military powers from near and far
Friday 9 October 2015 04.00 EDT Last modified on Friday 9 October 2015 09.35 EDT
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Russia recently launched airstrikes against groups fighting Assad after building a military presence in his western strongholds. Since June 2014 a US-led coalition has used regional bases to launch its own airstrikes against predominantly Islamic State targets. Syria is roughly divided between four groups: regime forces supported by Hezbollah; Isis; other Islamist groups; and more moderate opposition groups. Kurdish militias separately control areas in the north of the country.
(a good graph here but I can't make it copy...ed)
Russia
Russia's initial claim that it was only striking Isis positions was contradicted by multiple reports from the ground and it later admitted targeting other anti-regime groups. Moscow is a long-term supporter of the Syrian state and now appears willing to hit any faction, Islamist or secular, fighting its beleaguered army. This includes groups operating under the banner of the Free Syrian Army, which have received some training and equipment from the US.
US
Washington opposes the Syrian regime but has taken very limited steps to ensure its downfall and has recently signalled it may even consider a transitional role for Assad. A US programme provided small numbers of moderate rebels with ammunition and training to fight Isis on the ground but this was paused after a series of embarrassing setbacks. The US continues to head up an international coalition which is bombing targets in Syria belonging to Isis and occasionally the Islamist group Jabhat al-Nusra, as well as supporting Kurdish forces fighting Isis in the north.
UK
Britain is using its strategically important base in Cyprus to bomb Isis in Iraq but has not officially joined the US-led coalition's efforts in Syria. The prime minister, David Cameron, is believed to favour doing so but Russia's intervention has complicated matters. The British government opposes the Assad regime and has been a significant backer of moderate Syrian opposition groups.
Turkey
Nato member Turkey strongly opposes Assad and has voiced concern over Russian incursions into its airspace. Ankara backs a range of Islamist and moderate anti-regime fighters, including Jabhat al-Nusra despite its proscription by Washington. Turkey has been criticised for turning a blind eye to jihadis crossing its border with Syria but has also opened airbases to the anti-Isis coalition and launched its own airstrikes.
Iran
Tehran rejects any suggestion that its staunch ally, Assad, steps down and is a significant military backer of his regime. Iran has provided the Syrian government with military equipment, advisers and Revolutionary Guards commanders to train and assist its armed forces. Its Lebanese ally and proxy, Hezbollah, is actively fighting alongside the regime's forces, as are Iran-backed Shia militias from Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Saudi Arabia
Insists that Assad must depart for there to be a solution to the crisis, backs a range of Islamist and moderate Syrian opposition fighters and has also carried out airstrikes as part of the US-led coaliton against Isis. Has allegedly helped provide anti-tank missiles to rebels fighting the regime in the north, particularly in Idlib.
Qatar
The Gulf state's Al-Udeid airbase is a major operations hub for US forces and Qatar has also bombed Isis targets in Syria as part of the coalition. Doha backs a range of Islamist and moderate rebel fighters, occasionally negotiating on their behalf and had previously agreed to open a training centre for rebels recruited by the US.
Jordan
Opposes Assad and backs rebels fighting in the southern front near the provinces of Daraa and Suweida, offering logistic support and training as well as hosting a joint operations room for the south. Has taken part in anti-Isis coalition airstrikes.
.... and people still believe that their are friendly Islamic Rebels?
:rofl:
Washington will be having a fit right about now. Syrian forces are closing in on Aleppo. The people there must be relieved - in the other towns that Assad has retaken from the US, UK and Saudi backed ISIS, he has been quick to rebuild the civilian infrastructure that the US has been bombing relentlessly, as well as housing which should please all the people hating those refugees flooding into Europe... as they can go home now.
If you are quoting Wiki as a reliable source, look further. Even wiki states the Russian Army was invited in and the two countries signed a "Taraki signed a Twenty-Year Treaty of Friendship with the Soviet Union on 5 December 1978". I am not sure who else, globally, recognised his government or the following ones but the facts are the Government of Afghanistan requested USSR assistance and the USSR set off on a road to disaster. If only "unexceptional" countries followed the same legal route maybe the world wouldn't be in such a mess.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrG
But I do accept your post. :)
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Originally Posted by MrG
It would make sense for the "rebels" and the Syrian government and army to come to some sort of truce so they could both focus on eliminating IS in Syria. Perhaps after their "truce" they would be able to work out something diplomatically/politically for the future of Syria.
See Mick, this is just too much for you to comprehend.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
Wounds heal quickly providing that Islam has not brainwashed your head. :rolleyes:
Amazing how those babaric germans can travel freely (and are welcomed) throughout Europe after what they have done. Maybe its those blue eyes or blond hair ? Try to figure it out without failing again (like so many of your projects).
Claiming to hold a book that is supposedly the direkt word of God, or calling yourself a Dr when you are not, is preety arrogant. Are you a muslim by any chance ?
^
With an avatar named "Herman the German" brings out the best/truth in people. Right Mick ? :rolleyes:
I don't believe the Syrian terrorists accept the Syrian Government as legitimate. That makes it difficult to discuss and agree a "truce". The Russian Foreign Minister is talking to their "handlers" and the terrorist's air force commanders but the POTUSE appears to not want closure just more civilian deaths, hospitals bombed back to the stone age. You know just being exceptional.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
Or are they losing so badly they now want to sue for peace? I would suggest only an outright unconditional surrender to their unrecognised Syrian Government, headed by President Assad, by the terrorists and their handlers would be acceptable.
They need to start with a clean sheet and dismiss any pre-conditions. Maybe when the terorirsts have obliterated/slaughtered/beheaded a few more thousand Syrians they will see the light.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
Jacqueline Anne Sutton 'found hanged in toilets of Istanbul airport' | Daily Mail Online
wonder what she found out then?
Conspiracy theories aside, it does make one wonder.
It would make perfect sense, but it won't happen while Assad is in charge of the Syrian government. The "rebels" hate him because of his genocide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
Well the seppos normally do reporters on the ground and call it "friendly fire".Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
Doing it in an airport bog sounds like something the KGB or Mossad would do.
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Or it could be the Turks. Both them and the Russians reported that she did it because she was broke.
The Turks have been sending money and weapons to ISIS from day 1.... .yet the EU want to bring them into Europe :)
Assad isn't going to step aside while there's still a war going on in his country so the "rebels" can choose to fight it out against Syrian forces, IS forces, and dodge Russian bombs and missiles. Up to them. IS is the greater threat to Syria and the Syrian population, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracudaIt would make perfect sense, but it won't happen while Assad is in charge of the Syrian government. The "rebels" hate him because of his genocide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
That's all you needed there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
^ And the "rebels" ain't gonna win. A truce is their last best bet.
Assad needs to stay, he is the only force that can stabilize that country
do we need another Iraq ?
Fruitcake.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
the US and their silly coalition are going to fail, once again
some people never learn, or are just plain stupid
Right... But who owns the world? Plain stupid people?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonfly
WTF?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonfly
Have you even studied the history of the Syrian conflict since the Arab spring?
Assad can *never* stabilise Syria.
A stable Syria requires all parties to reach agreement, and moderate Syrian rebels will never forgive him for his genocide.
Say what you like about the Arabs, but boy do they know how to bear a grudge.
Not so - if this were the case you'd be someone important, not some German gay guy's leftoversQuote:
Originally Posted by Exit Strategy
They're legendary in that respect . . . in the end it all comes down to them being a very tribal bunchQuote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Asians?Quote:
Originally Posted by Exit StrategyRight... But who owns the world?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonfly
Not yet, but I get your point and thank you for intelligent conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by thaimemeAsians?Quote:
Originally Posted by Exit StrategyRight... But who owns the world?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonfly
I thought it was the baby jesus.Quote:
Originally Posted by thaimemeAsians?Quote:
Originally Posted by Exit StrategyRight... But who owns the world?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonfly
Love and forgiveness.... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
You're confusing religion and ethnicity again Herman - do try a bit harder not to come across as a total bigot at every turn
^It's suggesting not ALL arabs are rag headed, Herman, and that's the confusing bit for you,
Yet islamophobia is greeted with accusations of 'racism', and not awareness of the sick, evil occult that it is
Condescendingly hypocritical, isn't it
^ Well said, as every religion, cult or whatever bunch of nutters has their bad people and some have good people. But then, what about those of their people who do nothing while knowing about what is going to happen. Rapes, terrorist attacks... "I was just following orders" we heard in Nuremberg, but legally speaking, sharia law is not recognized as legal in the UK, US, Australia or NZ, and I'm pretty sure not in China or Russia either. Euroshite can sink.
And was it neverlad or one of his 2 mates who called me a racist, wtf, following what I said I didn't care if I was a white man or a black man. Go figure, white or black is all the same when you are infidel. OK You Neverlad have your camels, we have satellites and drones. We can see you...
Allegedly the Russians and the Americans have signed a memorandum. Note no other countries have signed it so there is still room for "accidents". Or are Russia and the Americans acting as proxies for their respective "partners"?
https://www.rt.com/news/319198-russi...ria-agreement/
http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/count...2061345@egNews
"The agreement, whose full name is "The Memorandum of Mutual Understanding between the Defense Ministries of Russia and the United States on preventing incidents and providing for aviation flights during operations in Syria" is hailed as a 'positive step', the Russian Defense Ministry said in a press release.The document "has important practical value. It regulates the actions of manned and unmanned aircraft in the airspace above Syria. The Memorandum contains a set of rules and limitations aimed at preventing incidents between the air forces of Russia and the US," the Defense Ministry says."
One response states that,
"#SYRIA The document is expected to cover air activities of all the anti-ISIS coalition: American party committed to notifying their partners"
Whether the Americans actually do action the agreed commitment and their partners accept the word from the POTUSE, requires a little knowledge of when the parties have renaged on thier "commitments".
What do you mean by "rag headed"?Quote:
Originally Posted by pompeysbroke
You are saying not all Arabs wear a ghutra?
That's true.
Apparently Her Majesty Elizabeth II's current government does not wish to participate with the P4+1 coalition. It has turned down an offer to share terrorist targeting or weapons supply drops.
https://teakdoor.com/images/smilies1/You_Rock_Emoticon.gif
https://www.rt.com/news/319318-russi...k-cooperation/
As the Americans have now instituted a "Results" orientated reward scheme (lethal weapons if you slaughter Syrian Government, Iranian or Hezbollah troops. Double points if you shoot down a Syrian or Russian plane) with it's proxy terrorists in Syria and Iraq. The P4+1 could offer a deal with Her Majesty Elizabeth II's current government.
Tell us how many sorties you have, how many ground attacks you achieve and how many terrorist resupply missions you achieve. All locations, mission videos and weapons used or supplied to be shared on an "after the event" basis.
This would achieve two things. The first, the numbers of terrorists attacked and the mission objective and result, the second the arms supplied their recipients and the agreed targets of the terrorists upon which the weapons will be utilised.
All aircraft from countries which agree to the Memorandum would be free to operate within Syrian airspace. Those that refuse will be targeted and fired upon unless the run back to, in the UK's case, mummy Liz.
This would demonstrate to the world what exactly their "brave boys" are doing and achieving when spending thier taxpayers money blowing things up.
Canada has notified Obama that it will be withdrawing military assets from the "war on terror" too.
Canada to end airstrikes in Syria and Iraq, new prime minister Trudeau says | World news | The Guardian
President Xi came to town... told her madge who the daddy is now ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Chinese President Xi Jinping arrives in UK - BBC News
But on the bright side, sales of Burberry, Whisky and Shortbread biscuits will grow exponentially.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoPresident Xi came to town... told her madge who the daddy is now ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Chinese President Xi Jinping arrives in UK - BBC News
All made in a factory just outside Shanghai, probably. Still they will collect some royalties for Madge.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
It looks like Russia and Syria read my posts on Teak Door. :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
Syria war: Lavrov seeks talks with 'full spectrum' of opposition - BBC News
Syria war: Lavrov seeks talks with 'full spectrum' of opposition
Syria's ally Russia says there should be talks between the Syrian government and the "full spectrum" of opposition.
Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov also urged an intensification of efforts to find a political solution to the war.
Mr Lavrov was speaking after meeting his counterparts from Saudi Arabia, Turkey and the US.
On Thursday, President Putin suggested the Syrian regime could be ready to work with some rebel groups against the so-called Islamic State.
Mr Putin said President Assad had agreed to the idea on a recent visit to Moscow.
Again, the majority of Syrians will never accept Assad remaining in power. He has murdered too many people in cold blood.
If Russia is serious about peace talks, it needs to tell him to go to his retirement estate outside Teheran and find someone acceptable to both Sunni and Alawite.