I like the "religion=diversionary claptrap" bit. Spot on.
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I like the "religion=diversionary claptrap" bit. Spot on.
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Problem is of fools like harry and snubb projecting their conspiracy nut image onto me with all the usual crap. However, as I tire of saying, nothing could be further from the truth. Lizards? Do me a favour. However, the world is under a concerted effort to put everything into the hands of a few with all power and control, a mass slaughter to reduce numbers, and a regime that if you take the pills you will be a mindless drone, or dead. This is a conspiracy, but I reckon it is a fact, not a theory. That sheet I put up was from 1974. The wall fell 15 years later. You can look at the order of of it, and see that almost exactly as is say, events and trends happened. Almost identically in order. Some coincidence heh? Problem is we are entering the end game. The 5 year transition period to hell on earth, and all the while, idiots ignore it, cheer on their favourite flag colour, and ridecule all before them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exit Strategy
Refreshing post. I didn't know you had it in you. KudosQuote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
I can see the pattern and I'm not the only one.
Also, it is not a Russian plan. The same plan has been worked in other countries and places before. Its not a push for communism, but a push for total control. Time to decide whether to live free or die a slave. They call it communism in some places, capitalism in others (strongest win...even if the dice is loaded)... all part of selling it to the dumb masses.
It's YOUR Russia, isn't itQuote:
Originally Posted by Exit Strategy
Syria crisis: 'Deadly air raids' against IS in Palmyra
Syrian government war planes have launched one of the heaviest bombardments yet on the city of Palmyra, which is held by Islamic State (IS) militants, activists say.
About 25 air strikes left at least 26 people dead, including 12 militants, the UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.
IS captured Palmyra, which includes a Unesco World Heritage site, in May.
Elsewhere, air strikes on Idlib killed 17 people, the Observatory said.
The city of Idlib is a stronghold of an alliance of jihadist and Islamist groups calling itself the Army of Conquest.
Syrian military sources quoted by Reuters have said Syria is using new types of very accurate weapons supplied by its ally, Russia.
The latest air strikes came a day after Syrian air force jets attacked Raqqa, the de facto capital of IS.
"In the past two days, the regime has intensified its air raids against areas controlled by the Islamic State group," Observatory spokesman Rami Abdel Rahman said.
Syria crisis: 'Deadly air raids' against IS in Palmyra - BBC News
The US Secretary of State John Kerry is to hold talks with Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond on the crisis in Syria during his visit to the UK.
Mr Kerry, who is on a three-day trip to the UK, is to discuss the fight against Islamic State militants.
Ahead of the meeting he said Russia and America "share the same goals" in the battle against the militant group.
John Kerry to hold talks on Syrian crisis on UK trip - BBC News
Except where Assad is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
4 Russian jets on Syrian soil now.
Doesn't look so straight forward now on the vote that Cameron was expecting
with Jeremy Corbyn in the mix also.
They "share the same goals" in the battle against Islamic State militants.Quote:
Originally Posted by billy the kid
I expect that includes all of Syria. Do you think differently?Quote:
Mr Kerry, who is on a three-day trip to the UK, is to discuss the fight against Islamic State militants.
Ahead of the meeting he said Russia and America "share the same goals" in the battle against the militant group.
The US says the fall of Assad will resolve the situation in Syria, no coincidence that's also ISIS's goal. The US may want to control ISIS, but doesn't have any interest in annihilating them.
same goals on isis maybe but what happens about Assad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
usa, uk want him out and are determined.
russia wants him to remain.
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Originally Posted by Neverna
Kerry is lying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
They do not share the same goals or methods of achieving those goals.
1. They want Assad removed from head of State.
2. They want to run a military campaign in a foreign country without the countries government willing agreement,
3. They want an illegal regime change.
None of these three points have been agreed by the Syrian Government or the Russian led coalition.
It is an illegal war and an illegal carving up of a sovereign country. Which would not get UN sanction.
The American, the British and the Germans now appear to agree with the CSTO (Collective Security Treaty Organisation) led by the Russians.
The question of the President of Syria, Assad's removal will be agreed "another day". It is not a precondition. They all state "He must go" but when, by what means and if the Syrian people wish it, points at a substantial climb down.
Kerry(London):
"With respect to Assad and longevity, what I said is consistent with what I’ve always said about Syria that I think the last year and a half we have said that Assad has to go. But how long, what the modality is, that’s a decision that has to be made in the context of the Geneva process and negotiations. We’ve said for some period of time that it doesn’t have to be on day one or month one or whatever. There is a process by which all the parties have to come together and reach an understanding of how this can best be achieved. Obviously, in the end, it is up to the people of Syria to decide."
Hammond:
"We’re completely aligned on this issue. Assad has to go. He can’t be part of Syria’s long-term future. But the modality and the timing has to be part of a discussion about a political solution that allows us to move forward and to avert further humanitarian suffering"
Frank-Walter Steinmeir:"Interestingly, a day later, on Sunday at a joint press conference in Berlin, where Kerry proceeded, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeir said, “I strongly welcome the fact — and we’ve had reports here in Germany — about the growing Russian military engagement of Russia in the region”."
Kerry(Germany):
"That is why we’ve also said that there could be no solution without a transition in power, as the Geneva process has affirmed and which Russia has signed up to. It would be delusional to believe that President Assad can ever unite or govern a peaceful Syria, and it would be just as impossible for Daesh or any other violent extremist group, it would be impossible for any of us to conceive of any way in which they should be allowed or possibly come close to governing."
The Geneva process has not finished, or has Kerry already predetermined the result, maybe he has "exceptional" powers or maybe he is the disillusioned one. He may not even be in his present post when the desision is made.
He may "remember" that Assad did rule Syria for years prior to the "Crusader Coalition's" meddling. There is no reason Assad shouldn't again, except for a little horse shit on some politician's face. So is it a politicians word, the expression of will by the Syrian people or another 3 or 4 million "refugees" Kerry.
Remarks With British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond After Their Meeting
http://www.state.gov/secretary/remar...5/09/index.htm
Europe nudges US, Russia to walk the talk on Syria ? Indian Punchline
Why don't you just top yourself pseudo, rather than posting irrational tin foil rants on obscure expat forums as if it will make a difference to your doom and gloom plan?Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
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Originally Posted by OhOh
1. So does most of Syria.
2. No, they want a stable country that doesn't incubate terrorists with global designs like IS.
3. The regime was already there illegally. Assad is a leader of a minority as was his father. When they tried to oppose his father, he killed 30,000. Assad Jr. easily beat that before IS became involved.
Why would you support a leaders who use lies, fixed elections, detention and murder to stay in power?
Do you think the majority Sunni population would elect a Shi'a (Awalite, which in this case means the same thing) government if there was a free and fair election?
If you do, you have absolutely no idea of what the Shi'a/Sunni divide means.
Given the death toll and the numbers of people fleeing Syria, I would think that most Syrians just want safety and the return of some 'normality' in their country. Going back to the stability of Assad's government with no IS in Syria and no civil war is better than what there is now, IMO.
They left long ago. This is just a red herring to justify the muslim migrant hoard. These people were fine in Turkey and Lebanon. When they realized that Mama Merkel would provide them shelter, medicine and a paycheck they swarmed. They should all be repatriated to Saudi Arabia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
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Originally Posted by Neverna
Here's something for all the flag waving, mainstream media addicts to do. Find a news article written before August 2013 that mentions ISIS or ISIL and supply the link. I've not searched myself, but the whole fake ISIS ruse only started a few months AFTER the UK parliament voted down blood thirsty banking shill pig fucker Camerons bill to bomb the civilians of Syria.
So come on - lets see it. Lets see some news about ISIS or ISIL from before August 2013.
....and another thing.... when are ISIS, the nasty muslim jihadists ..... going to attack ISrael? The one country that you might think would be their prime target.
In hindsight, perhaps yes, but they didn't think that way in Dara'a when Assad's forces opened up on unarmed protesters who had the temerity to complain about his representatives beating and torturing a few kids for writing a bit of anti-regime graffiti they'd seen on the telly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
They should have just jolly well gone back home and known their place eh?
:rolleyes:
Why do you think Syria has been run under "Emergency Law" for 50-odd years?
Think Article 44.
All have to go through processing to determine whether they are genuine refugees
or economic migrants.
Those who are economic migrants will be sent back when it's safe too i guess.
And the genuine refugees will be given permission to find work.
In the meantime they play footie all day.
Or check their mobile phones for info.
Winter on the way.
^ more freeloaders who do nothing and contribute nothing other than crime.
It is up to the Syrians what they do/did or what they think they should do, but they should have had an idea what might happen in their country. Think Hama in 1982. The recent armed uprising was an all or nothing affair. Once started, it would be dangerous to stop and dangerous to lose. The only real way out now is for outside powers to somehow persuade those involved to negotiate a peaceful ending. Tough, very tough, but the only real option now, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
The problem with some governments is that they are seen as illegitimate by large numbers of the population and those regimes have to use force or the threat of force to enable them to stay in power. Might is right sort of thing. The monopoly of force within sovereign countries usually lies with the state. Unfortunately, that is accepted by lots of folks and so long as it stays within certain (undefined) limits, that seems to be OK by the governments of the rest of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
in hindsight we should have let Saddam continue in Iraq as he controlled with iron fistQuote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
Gadaffy controlled Lybia
Mubarach Egypt
Assad Syria
Etc.
and when the carnage is done and dusted
there will still be the divide between shia and sunni
so they'll still want to kill each other or control the other.
the religio are a mad house.
In Jerusalem the Mussie, the Jew, the Christian are all scrapping to see who has the bigger God on their side to control some fucking Temple.
Yes a Madhouse. Insanity rules.
Oh let's pray for peace. ffs.
And there is your problem right there. They had seen and heard America and its puppies depose the "Evil regime" in Iraq, and assumed that they would do the same for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
Which is probably what would have happened if Putin hadn't thrown a spanner in the works.
It's not my problem. It's the Syrians' problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracudaAnd there is your problem right there. They had seen and heard America and its puppies depose the "Evil regime" in Iraq, and assumed that they would do the same for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
Which is probably what would have happened if Putin hadn't thrown a spanner in the works.
And who is to blame for Syrians assuming "America and its puppies" would do something but didn't?
Vladimir fucking Putin, how many times do I have to say it?Quote:
Originally Posted by NevernaIt's not my problem. It's the Syrians' problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracudaAnd there is your problem right there. They had seen and heard America and its puppies depose the "Evil regime" in Iraq, and assumed that they would do the same for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
Which is probably what would have happened if Putin hadn't thrown a spanner in the works.
And who is to blame for Syrians assuming "America and its puppies" would do something but didn't?
And how many times do I have to say: "You are wrong !".Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracudaVladimir fucking Putin, how many times do I have to say it?Quote:
Originally Posted by NevernaIt's not my problem. It's the Syrians' problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracudaAnd there is your problem right there. They had seen and heard America and its puppies depose the "Evil regime" in Iraq, and assumed that they would do the same for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
Which is probably what would have happened if Putin hadn't thrown a spanner in the works.
And who is to blame for Syrians assuming "America and its puppies" would do something but didn't?
Now its the U.S. fault again because some Syrian fortune teller assumed wrong ? Jeezuz !
https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2015/09/1799.jpg
So you are blaming Putin for Syrians making a wrong assumption about the USA and its "puppies"? Wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracudaVladimir fucking Putin, how many times do I have to say it?Quote:
Originally Posted by NevernaIt's not my problem. It's the Syrians' problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracudaAnd there is your problem right there. They had seen and heard America and its puppies depose the "Evil regime" in Iraq, and assumed that they would do the same for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
Which is probably what would have happened if Putin hadn't thrown a spanner in the works.
And who is to blame for Syrians assuming "America and its puppies" would do something but didn't?
By the way, when exactly did Putin throw a "spanner in the works"?
First he blames the U.S.,Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
then he blames Putin.
Preety soon he will dig out little ole Adolf.
Without Adolf's trained rocket scientists would America be a power at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by HermantheGerman
Adolf has a lot to answer for. As for the Vikings, don't get me started.
Same as a majority of welfare recipients in the U.S..Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
Iran Syria and Russia will sort them out pretty soon.
There appears to be some positioning of arms, trainers and support people who originated from outside Syria at one of it's airports.
The "evidence" that supports this are satellite photos. These photos are being interpreted as a Russian invasion. There are constant updates on a daily basis of these photographs.
I find it amazing that in the short time that the "Russians" have been improving the airbase we immediately see these photos. I wonder what happened to all the crusader coalition photos that the various countries have accumulated over the years of "dealing" with ISUSA.
Probably the monthly shots of ISUSA encampments/weapons stores/resupply convoys etc. are all available somewhere. Or would their release illustrate the lack of any indication of "incessant bombing" the crusader coalition has, allegedly, been doing?
Seems no-ones going to take you up on the challenge:)
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Originally Posted by pseudolusQuote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
Here's something for all the flag waving, mainstream media addicts to do. Find a news article written before August 2013 that mentions ISIS or ISIL and supply the link. I've not searched myself, but the whole fake ISIS ruse only started a few months AFTER the UK parliament voted down blood thirsty banking shill pig fucker Camerons bill to bomb the civilians of Syria.
So come on - lets see it. Lets see some news about ISIS or ISIL from before August 2013.
....and another thing.... when are ISIS, the nasty muslim jihadists ..... going to attack ISrael? The one country that you might think would be their prime target.
If you haven't done the research for your own theory, why should anyone else take on the job?Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
I have, flatearther man, hence why I am confident that it does not exist. Feel free to prove me wrong though, which of course you will and can not. Better you do not try, so then you can continue living in kansas la la land thinking that ISIS is real, nothing to do with the west and israel, and that everything in the world is a big coincidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrG
ISIS is Israel/US heading for a massive land-grab. Expect a brilliant climax.
:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolusI have, flatearther man, hence why I am confident that it does not exist. Feel free to prove me wrong though, which of course you will and can not. Better you do not try, so then you can continue living in kansas la la land thinking that ISIS is real, nothing to do with the west and israel, and that everything in the world is a big coincidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrG
Then why the ruse that you hadn't? Is this some double-bluff conspiracy theory: you're a plant by MSM to discredit conspiracy theorists so that the sheeple will believe the false flag info that they're being peddled?
Israel just announced that the oil firm Genie energy, heavily invested in by rupert murdoch, and whose board boast;
-- Richard Cheney: 46th Vice President of the United States, formerly
President and CEO of Halliburton Company and U.S. Secretary of Defense
from 1989 to 1993.
-- K. Rupert Murdoch: Founder and Executive Chairman of News Corporation,
one of the world's largest diversified media companies. News
Corporation's holdings include Fox Entertainment, Dow Jones and Company,
the New York Post, HarperCollins and significant media assets on six
continents.
-- Lord Jacob Rothschild, OM, GBE: Chairman of the J. Rothschild group of
companies and of RIT Capital Partners plc. Chairman of Five Arrows
Limited. Noted philanthropist and Chairman of the Rothschild Foundation.
-- Michael Steinhardt: Noted Wall Street investor and Principal Manager,
Steinhardt Management LLC. Founder Steinhardt, Fine, Berkowitz & Co.,
and noted philanthropist. Mr. Steinhardt serves as Chairman of the
Strategic Advisory Board.
.. have just found oil in the Golan Heights, the stolen land from Syria. Wonder why ISIS is targeting Syria so much, and not the radical islamist most hated opponents, Israel? Ohhh I wonder.
Bit like Ukraine with Joe Bidens son scooping millions from the dirty corrupt firm he works for there...
Not a ruse. A lot of people, yourself doubtless included, do not buy that pre 2013, ISIS / ISIL didn't exist. If I told you, you would not believe it, so I suggested people had a look for themselves. You have a lot of time on your hands, and as a self proclaimed lover of Snopes and like to pump out the phrase conspiracy theorist all the time, surely you would love to prove me wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by AntRobertson
Or, you can search for the names of the supposed leaders of ISIS pre 2013, and find that they are all best mates having met numerous times with big politicians like McCain, Biden etc? Hmmm no you wouldn't do that either because low betide any one having to confront the simple fact that the west axis of evil wants regime change in Syria, as per the PNAC document from Cheney et al, and that when they were not allowed their war in Syria, they created ISIL to get the people of the west wetting their bunched up panties and screaming to bomb and murder more innocent brown people in a distant land.
You didn't suggest: you stated you hadn't when you had.
And what's with people suddenly throwing around the term "self proclaimed"? Do you chaps not know what it means?
Anyway don't worry your secret life as a MSM shrill is safe with me (*taps nose*)
^ a little pathetic really Ant, but I come to expect that from the head in the ground corporate media devotees.