What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?

**OhOh** · 22-03-2015, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by pompeysbroke

Anyway, ISIS eradication...has to be big fuk off bombs dropped on their bonces imho

So many targets though, DC, NY, LA, London, Brussels, Berlin, Jerusalem........ The Russians would want a UNSC resolution and you know that's not going to be passed.

**rickschoppers** · 22-03-2015, 11:27 AM

Seeing how collateral damage has become less and less a concern, nukes might be the answer.

But then there would be general world sentiment to contend with.

**Neverna** · 22-03-2015, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by pompeysbroke

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

plus opium sales all add up to a pretty good chunk of change.

Where's the proof of income from drug sales?

Ya mean like a receipt?

T'was funny. Type of question an idiot would ask.

Or a card carrying EDL supporter. Muslamic Rayguns

**Boon Mee** · 22-03-2015, 12:37 PM

Petraeus Sides With Netanyahu Against Obama: Iran, Not ISIS, Is The Real Enemy.

It's a no-brainer, man

So now you know why Petraeus really got the boot, he suffers from “truthfulness”, a fatal flaw for staying in the world of Barack Obama.

"Don’t just rely on Benjamin Netanyahu’s passionate advice to Congress on his way to reelection that Iran is our arch enemy. Now we have the counsel of retired general David Petraeus, who gave a remarkable interview this week to the Washington Post. Petraeus agrees with Netanyahu: Iran, not ISIS, is the real enemy.

His message: “I would argue that the foremost threat to Iraq’s long-term stability and the broader regional equilibrium is not the Islamic State; rather, it is Shiite militias, many backed by — and some guided by — Iran.” The general adds, “Longer-term, Iranian-backed Shia militia could emerge as the preeminent power in the country, one that is outside the control of the government and instead answerable to Tehran.” (Italics mine.)

Netanyahu is arguing against a bad U.S.-Iran deal that might end the economic sanctions and permit Iranian nuclear development after ten years. (Of course, nobody believes Iran will wait for, or permit, true verification.) But the thrust of the Petraeus interview is that unless U.S. military strategy completely changes, Iran is going to take over Iraq."

National Review

**Neverna** · 22-03-2015, 05:06 PM

Iraq's population is majority Shia. The Iraqi government is mainly Shia. The Iraqi government backed Shia militias were a problem for some Iraqi Sunnis when Nouri al-Malaki was PM. That was why he was pushed out. But those militias were Iraqi backed Shia militias.

Anyway, Petraeus is speculating that if the situation changes and something happens in the future, that something will be worse for Iraq and the region than ISIS. In other words, an imaginary future situation would be worse for Iraq than Islamic State. I wonder how he came to that conclusion! It's an opinion but not one based on fact.

In my opinion, the longer ISIS is in Iraq, the more the Iraqi government will feel the need for militias and foreign military support. So, Iraq’s long-term stability is very much dependent on solving the problem of IS in Iraq. It also seems to me that the long-term stability of other countries in the region will also be affected by the future of IS.

**koman** · 22-03-2015, 05:44 PM

I believe that if the British government just offered them all amnesty; free housing in Luton; citizenship, and a little bit of sharia law so they can abuse their women, this whole affair would be over in short order. Serious lack of understand about what these people really want.....Caliphate my ass......

**Boon Mee** · 22-03-2015, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by koman

I believe that if the British government just offered them all amnesty; free housing in Luton; citizenship, and a little bit of sharia law so they can abuse their women, this whole affair would be over in short order. Serious lack of understand about what these people really want.....Caliphate my ass......

Put 'em in Skegness.

Would improve the local population.

**rickschoppers** · 22-03-2015, 05:49 PM

I went to Skegness in the 1960s and thought it rather nice. It must have changed since then, like everything else.

**ENT** · 22-03-2015, 08:58 PM

With Muslim violence against each other and others, Sunni Moslems instigate most of it.

ISIS are Sunni.

They are killing all apostates, Shia, Kurds, Sufi, any non-Sunni.

They follow the Sunnah, reputedly stories of Mohammed, their interpretations and their application to daily life, the basis of Sharia law and second in importance to the Koran.

Shia don't follow that particular set of rules, neither do other Muslim sects, relying more on the Koran and the mullah's fatwahs concerning its application to daily life.

Probably more progressive.

Given that Sunni doctrine and Shariah law go hand in hand with ISIS and most other radical Islamic jihadist groups, as self declared, also given that the majority of Muslims are Sunni, it might be expedient to support the Shia in their fight against Sunni.
That was the kick off point in Iraq, Where Saddam Hussein , a Sunni (minority in Iraq) was ousted by US backed Shia, the majority there then, with turmoil ever since as Shia started to leverage against the rest, Iran sitting quietly in the background supporting the deal, brokering oil and opium between ME oil states, its own oil supplies and China.

The entire world Sunni Muslim population is susceptible to manipulation and mind control through the Sunnah, dictated to them every Friday prayers by the then local imam, fierbrand, peacenick, jew-hugger or what, as Muslims can do whatever it takes to save their skins (as dictated to them through the Sunnah, tell lies, anything, as long as they're only deceiving kaffur, the non-Muslim, it's OK, in their book.

So this latest round of Sunni/Shia conflict, led by Sunni threatens others, who have no choice but to defend themselves.

It's not going to stop until the Sunnah is proven to be a load of bollocks and an instigator of conflict and repression, for that is what it is,

How to stop ISIS?

The Ummah is the consensus of Muslim doctrine.

If the Muslim consensus moves that way, extremism prevails.

Who's controlling ISIS, tacitly or openly?

The Ummah, the great Sunni consensus.

Contol the Ummah, or better yet, get the Ummah to direct itself to better endeavors, there may be peace, but I doubt that'll happen.

The Ummah is dictated to by the Imam, networking with all other Imams, globally, so a consensus move would mean shifting the mindset of every Imam around to stop ISIS.

**Neverna** · 23-03-2015, 02:17 AM

According to this video, the USA already has a plan to deal with IS. They are just waiting for the right time to start.

The author of the video also proposes his own solutions to stop ISIS.

(Video published on August 29, 2014)

**billy the kid** · 23-03-2015, 04:39 AM

i would say to eradicate this evil IS
has to begin with education in the classroom when they are young
getting rid of the imams who preach hate to kids
it's gonna take years, maybe decades to clean it up.
there is no other way
as it's too deeply ingrained in their minds.
but what to do with Israel ? their no.1 enemy.
poverty is another massive obstacle.

**Black Heart** · 23-03-2015, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by billy the kid

i would say to eradicate this evil IS
has to begin with education in the classroom when they are young
getting rid of the imams who preach hate to kids
it's gonna take years, maybe decades to clean it up.

This is NOT going to happen.

**panama hat** · 23-03-2015, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by billy the kid

it's gonna take years, maybe decades to clean it up.

You certainly make a lot of sense, more than the 'bomb-em' rent-a-crowd, wo don't seem to understand that by simply bombing people - with more and more civilian casualties you are creating further generations of radicals

**ENT** · 23-03-2015, 09:52 AM

That's so.

It's up to the Muslim clerics and scholars to stop authorizing xenophobic directives and suggestions to their followers, at both school and mosque.

Teaching kids from day one that Jews are monkeys and that Xtians and all others are to be slaughtered or enslaved in the name of a god is part of the root cause of Muslim conflict with all other creeds, religions and beliefs/doctrines.

Tolerance is essential for de-escalation of any conflict, a tolerance of differing views, but not a tolerance of violence in asserting one's views.

Triumphalism, an in-yer-face form of assertion of a group's validity and assumed legitimacy only creates a challenge to others and resentment from them.

The Orange Day marches in N.Ireland/Eire and UK stoked hugely violent reactions from Catholic/Republicans, and only more recently have less antagonistic expressions of beliefs been adopted.

So with Islam.

Peaceful religious expression is socially acceptable.

Arrogance and violence is not.

**rickschoppers** · 23-03-2015, 11:26 AM

ENT, that is a good idea, but I think we all know it will not happen. Everyone would prefer a peaceful solution, but ISIS has ruled that out for the moment because of their violent actions and mindset.

It is next to impossible to change the Arab mind once they get going. I have tried in the past while working in Saudi and learned it is best to make things seem like their idea. The challenge is to make ISIS believe they are the ones deciding to be peaceful. What are the odds of that happening, and how does one accomplish that?

Many thoughts here about how to stop ISIS, but very few plans on how to accomplish those thoughts.

**Boon Mee** · 23-03-2015, 11:42 AM

60 Minutes: Lone vet returns to Iraq to fight ISIS. “I’m not here serving my country — I’m here serving Christians.”

Onward Christian Soldiers.

Lone vet returns to Iraq to fight ISIS - CBS News

**OhOh** · 23-03-2015, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by billy the kid

i would say to eradicate this evil IS has to begin with education in the classroom when they are young getting rid of the imams who preach hate to kids

Yeah the religion is one thing we could use to identify ISIS killers by, ISIS supporters by, ISIS arms suppliers by .........

How long have the Catholics, The Protestants, the Buddhists, the Jews .......... been preaching love thy neighbour, do not covet thy neighbours ..., Thou shall not kill......

Doesn't seem to have helped anyone so far.

**OhOh** · 23-03-2015, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

ENT, that is a good idea, but I think we all know it will not happen. Everyone would prefer a peaceful solution, but the crusader coalition has ruled that out for the moment because of their violent actions and mindset. It is next to impossible to change the crusader coalition mind once they get going. I have tried in the past while working in Western Countries and learned it is best to make things seem like their idea. The challenge is to make crusader coalition believe they are the ones deciding to be peaceful. What are the odds of that happening, and how does one accomplish that?

Hope the changes help.

I felt an urge to

**ENT** · 23-03-2015, 12:36 PM

There's a wee bit more moderation going down in the UK Muslim community of late.

Moderate imams are starting to speak out increasingly, not hordes of them, not even the majority of UK Muslim clerics, but the ones who do speak out, urging tolerance and a re-think of Islamic values as applied in UK, are a growing minority (only to be expected) of clerics are actually trying to make sense of the Sunnah and how it may be applied in non-Muslim lands.

They're brave, as some Sunni factions would regard the moderate Imams as apostates by not following strict Sharia guidelines.

Still, further steps to safeguard Muslim kids from xenophobic indoctrination in Muslim schools in Europe can only come about through cooperation between the Ummah consensus as expressed by the clerics and the relevant state education guidelines.

The same applies to any religion running their own schools, the kids there mustn't be radicalized through early childhood indoctrination as they are at an early age in Islam.

That's gonna be the tough one to monitor, as Muslim kids learn all their religion through repeated recitation and memorization of the Koran, with no discussion or questioning of principles and directives are tolerated.

Another problem in Islam is that a Muslim has to be fluent in Arabic to be able to read and study the Koran, let alone debate or explain it.

This problem was obvious in the Catholic church until a couple of decades or so ago when Mass and much of Catholicism was only available in Latin, meaningless except to the well educated, the rich and powerful.

**ENT** · 23-03-2015, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

ENT, that is a good idea, but I think we all know it will not happen. Everyone would prefer a peaceful solution, but the crusader coalition has ruled that out for the moment because of their violent actions and mindset. It is next to impossible to change the crusader coalition mind once they get going. I have tried in the past while working in Western Countries and learned it is best to make things seem like their idea. The challenge is to make crusader coalition believe they are the ones deciding to be peaceful. What are the odds of that happening, and how does one accomplish that?

You and a couple of others on this forum insist on referring to the crusaders as though they are a reality, which they aren't. You're either living in the past or trying to resurrect worn out grievances to further justify yet another program of bullying and beheading of non-Sunni.

The smacking Islam got from the crusaders in medieval times has never lost its sting, something Muslims have never got over.

**OhOh** · 23-03-2015, 02:33 PM

Whilst ever the main focus of identifying these people is their religion, how else do you differentiate from the "worlds saviours" except in a similar way.

**ENT** · 23-03-2015, 05:07 PM

Meaning?

**koman** · 23-03-2015, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by ENT

The smacking Islam got from the crusaders in medieval times has never lost its sting, something Muslims have never got over

I still think the grand prize for smacking Muslims around has to go to.......The Mongols.....

**billy the kid** · 23-03-2015, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

How long have the Catholics, The Protestants, the Buddhists, the Jews .......... been preaching love thy neighbour, do not covet thy neighbours ..., Thou shall not kill......

Right, we seem to do the opposite to what is preached.
Dr,Timothy Leary gave me an idea that eventually led to a barn door opening for me.
J. Krisnamurti clarified and opened the barn door even further for me.
Showing me that all religions were manufactured and made the person 2nd. hand.
That it is all propaganda.
Dumping all man-made organised religions requires Doubt about it all, to begin with.
It will never be a mass movement because it has no leaders.
It is only something that a person can sort on their own.
The religious mind does exist in everyone but organised religio prevents that happening.
Org. Reli. are a controlling mechanism created by thought which in itself is a controlling mechanism.
which has got out of hand and has saturated everyday life for most people.
Yes control has its place but today we are bombarded with it from all corners.
If you wanna be free in this world then you gotta drop all the reli. systems.
And clear the mind.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Doesn't seem to have helped anyone so far.

Yes that is right,,, and it never will.
Growing up in N. Ireland taught me that.
People like to have the security that the propaganda offers.
That there is an afterlife and everything is gonna be honky dory if we all tow the party line.
Which for me is BS.
Just look at the mess we have created today with Judao, Christian and Islam.
We're all building Walls to protect ourselves from each other and the hate is everywhere. Occupying our minds for evermore.
So, it's up to you alone to make up your mind.
Stay with it or dump the lot in the bin.

**bsnub** · 23-03-2015, 05:27 PM

Saudi Arabia is the heart of evil.

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