ISIS: all things ISIS thread

[ENT]

From its earliest days, Islam has possessed a tradition of revival and reform.

Where's that shown now?

[Black Heart]

Islam, without reform, simply never was, isn't and can never be a 'religion of peace'. And reform is nigh impossible because the Quran tried to cast itself in stone. Reform it and it will fall apart. Islam is inherently brittle. It cannot bend, it can only break, spectacularly and violently.

Great post.

Yes, reform and/or a reformation cannot really happen in Islam ...

With all due respect, you do not know what you are talking about. From its earliest days, Islam has possessed a tradition of revival and reform. The 19th century modernist movement, for example, wanted to confront the challenges of their day by reinterpreting Islam to meet modern needs. Do some research, and look up ijtihad (re-interpreting the sources of Islam in the modern context). Fatwas can also help adapt Islamic law to the spirit of the time using “the principle of maslaha (public interest) allowing the law to be changed according to modern requirements.

Neverna, I will look up the concepts you note. I'd like to see specific example of "ijtihad" and the "fatwa" accommodating to the changing world.

I don't see the Taliban, ISIS, and honor killings, beatings and killing of women, and acid attacks over not wearing veils, and applying these concepts you note.

[Black Heart]

Sickeningly and sadly, I expect more beheading and other killing videos to be released.

Islamic State in Syria abducts at least 150 Christians
BY SULEIMAN AL-KHALIDI
AMMAN Tue Feb 24, 2015

Islamic State in Syria abducts at least 150 Christians | Reuters

[spliff]

Arms are like toothbrushes, if people don't use them then the manufactures would go belly up. The smart move would be to back them. I think you can tell who the major backers are now.

[Black Heart]

Jihadi John, is now known world-wide. Does it matter? Maybe; maybe not.

National Security

‘Jihadi John’: Islamic State killer is identified as Londoner Mohammed Emwazi

?Jihadi John?: Islamic State killer is identified as Londoner Mohammed Emwazi - The Washington Post

[Chittychangchang]

[Boon Mee]

Muhammad's Sword Verse.



Ranting of a Criminal Mind - that's for sure

[Black Heart]

^ Boon,

Those factual versus in the Quran need to be read by the world.

These versus (and others) are the reasons that Islam will always bring a stone age mentality.

[PeeCoffee]

^^^ BH, 23% of the World is Islamic.
Over 1 Billion people (I'll exclude children) have heard or read those words.

[Horatio Hornblower]

Boon try the bible, its packed with such quotes.....

Because God liked Abel's animal sacrifice more than Cain's vegetables, Cain kills his brother Abel in a fit of religious jealousy. 4:8
"I will destroy ... both man and beast."
God is angry. He decides to destroy all humans, beasts, creeping things, fowls, and "all flesh wherein there is breath of life." He plans to drown them all. 6:7, 17
"Every living substance that I have made will I destroy."
God repeats his intention to kill "every living substance ... from off the face of the earth." But why does God kill all the innocent animals? What had they done to deserve his wrath? It seems God never gets his fill of tormenting animals. 7:4
"All flesh died that moved upon the earth."
God drowns everything that breathes air. From newborn babies to koala bears -- all creatures great and small, the Lord God drowned them all. 7:21-23
God sends a plague on the Pharaoh and his household because the Pharaoh believed Abram's lie. 12:17
God tells Abram to kill some animals for him. The needless slaughter makes God feel better. 15:9-10
Hagar conceives, making Sarai jealous. Abram tells Sarai to do to Hagar whatever she wants. "And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled." 16:6
"I will not destroy it for ten's sake."
I guess God couldn't find even ten good Sodomites because he decides to kill them all in Genesis 19. Too bad Abraham didn't ask God about the children. Why not save them? If Abraham could find 10 good children, toddlers, infants, or babies, would God spare the city? Apparently not. God doesn't give a damn about children. 18:32
Lot refuses to give up his angels to the perverted mob, offering his two "virgin daughters" instead. He tells the bunch of angel rapers to "do unto them [his daughters] as is good in your eyes." This is the same man that is called "just" and "righteous" in 2 Peter 2:7-8. 19:7-8
God kills everyone (men, women, children, infants, newborns) in Sodom and Gomorrah by raining "fire and brimstone from the Lord out of heaven." Well, almost everyone -- he spares the "just and righteous" Lot and his family. 19:24
Lot's nameless wife looks back, and God turns her into a pillar of salt. 19:26
God gets angry with king Abimelech, though the king hasn't even touched Sarah. He says to the king, "Behold, thou art but a dead man," and threatens to kill him and all of his people. To compensate for the crime he never committed, Abimelech gives Abraham sheep, oxen, slaves, silver, and land. Finally, after Abraham "prayed unto God," God lifts his punishment to Abimelech, "for the Lord had fast closed up all the wombs of the house of Abimelech, because of Sarah." 20:3-18
Sarah, after giving birth to Isaac, gets angry again at Hagar (see 16:5-6) and tells Abraham to 'cast out this bondwoman and her son." God commands Abraham to "hearken unto her voice." So Abraham abandons Hagar and Ishmael, casting them out into the wilderness to die. 21:10-14
God orders Abraham to kill Isaac as a burnt offering. Abraham shows his love for God by his willingness to murder his son. But finally, just before Isaac's throat is slit, God provides a goat to kill instead. 22:2-13
Abraham shows his willingness to kill his son for God. Only an evil God would ask a father to do that; only a bad father would be willing to do it. 22:10
"Because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son."
Why did God love Abraham so much? Because he was willing to murder his son for him. (Greater evil hath no man than this, that he is willing to kill his own son for God.) 22:16
Dinah, the daughter of Jacob, is "defiled" by a man who seems to love her dearly. Her brothers trick all of the men of the town and kill them (after first having them all circumcised), and then take their wives and children captive. 34:1-31
"The terror of God was upon the cities that were round about them." 35:5
"And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him." What did Er do to elicit God's wrath? The Bible doesn't say. Maybe he picked up some sticks on Saturday. 38:7
After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to "go in unto they brother's wife." But "Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and ... when he went in unto his brother's wife ... he spilled it on the ground.... And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also." This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is the basis of many Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of both masturbation and birth control. 38:8-10
After Judah pays Tamar for her services, he is told that she "played the harlot" and "is with child by whoredom." When Judah hears this, he says, "Bring her forth, and let her be burnt." 38:24
Joseph interprets the baker's dream. He says that the pharaoh will cut off the baker's head, and hang his headless body on a tree for the birds to eat. 40:19
God brought a seven year, "very grievous" famine on the whole earth for no apparent reason (except maybe to make Joseph wealthy). 41:25-32, 54
Exodus

Moses murders an Egyptian after making sure that no one is looking. 2:11-12
"I will ... smite Egypt with all my wonders." 3:20
God threatens to kill the Pharaoh's firstborn son. 4:23
God decides to kill Moses because his son had not yet been circumcised. 4:24-26
Moses and Aaron ask the Pharaoh to let all the Israelites go into the desert to pray for three days, or else God will kill them all "with pestilence, or with the sword." 5:3
"Now shalt thou see what I will do to Pharaoh." 6:1
God will make sure that Pharaoh does not listen to Moses, so that he can kill Egyptians with his armies. 7:4
"And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD." Who else could be so cruel and unjust? 7:5, 17
God tells Moses and Aaron to smite the river and turn it into blood. This is the first of the famous 10 plagues of Egypt. 7:17-24
The fifth plague: all cattle in Egypt die.
But a little later (9:19-20, 12:29), God kills them again a couple more times. 9:6
The sixth plague: boils and blains upon man and beast. 9:9-12
"For I will at this time send all my plagues upon thine heart, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like me in all the earth." Who else but the biblical god could be so cruel? 9:14
God gave power to the Pharaoh so that he could show off his own power by killing him. 9:15-16
The seventh plague is hail. "And the hail smote throughout the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast." 9:22-25
God wants to be remembered forever for the mass murder of little children. 10:2
These verses clearly show that the mass murder of innocent children by God was premeditated. (see 12:29-30) 11:4-6
God will kill the Egyptian children to show that he puts "a difference between the Egyptians and Israel." 11:7
God explains to Moses that he intends to "smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast. 12:12
After God has sufficiently hardened the Pharaoh's heart, he kills all the firstborn Egyptian children. When he was finished "there was not a house where there was not one dead." Finally, he runs out of little babies to kill, so he slaughters the firstborn cattle, too. 12:29
To commemorate the divine massacre of the Egyptian children, Moses instructs the Israelites to "sacrifice to the Lord all that openeth the matrix" -- all the males, that is. God has no use for dead, burnt female bodies. 13:2, 12, 15
"I will harden Pharaoh's heart." 14:4
After hardening Pharaoh's heart a few more times, God drowns Pharaoh's army in the sea. 14:4-28
The LORD shall fight for you. 14:14
"I will harden the hearts of the Egyptians, and they shall follow them: and I will get me honour." 14:17
"And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD, when I have gotten me honour upon Pharaoh, upon his chariots, and upon his horsemen." 14:18
"And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand over the sea, that the waters may come again upon the Egyptians." 14:26
"And Israel saw that great work which the LORD did upon the Egyptians." 14:31
Moses and the people sing praises to their murderous god. 15:1-19
"The Lord is a man of war." Indeed, judging from his acts in the Old Testament, he is a vicious warlike monster. 15:3
God's right hand dashes people in pieces. 15:6
"For the horse of Pharaoh went in with his chariots and with his horsemen into the sea, and the LORD brought again the waters of the sea upon them." 15:19
"Horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea." 15:21
If you do what God says, he won't send his diseases on you (like he did to the Egyptians). But otherwise.... 15:26
Joshua, with God's approval, kills the Amalekites "with the edge of the sword." 17:13
"I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven." 17:14
"The Lord has sworn [God swears!] that the Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation." So God is still fighting Amalek. I hope Moses can still keep his hand up. 17:14-16
Any person or animal that touches Mt. Sinai shall be stoned to death or "shot through." Did Moses impose such severe penalties because he feared that someone might see him fake his meeting with God? 19:12-13
Like the great and powerful Wizard of Oz, nobody can see God and live. 19:21
God gives instructions for killing and burning animals. He says that if we will make such "burnt offerings," he will bless us for it. What kind of mind would be pleased by the killing and burning of innocent animals? 20:24
A child who hits or curses his parents must be executed. 21:15, 17
It's okay to beat your slaves; even if they die you won't be punished, just as long as they survive a day or two after the beating (see verses 21:20-21). But avoid excessive damage to their eyes or teeth. Otherwise you may have to set them free. 21:26-27
An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. 21:24-25
If an ox gores someone, "then the ox shall surely be stoned." 21:28
If an ox gores someone due to the negligence of its owner, then "the ox shall be stoned, and his owner shall be put to death.". 21:29
If an ox gores a slave, the owner of the ox must pay the owner of the slave 30 shekels of silver, and "the ox shall be stoned." 21:32
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Thousands of innocent women have suffered excruciating deaths because of this verse. 22:18
"Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death." Is it really necessary to kill such people? Couldn't we just send them to counseling or something? 22:19
"He who sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed." If this commandment is obeyed, then the four billion people who do not believe in the biblical god must be killed. 22:20
If you make God angry enough, he will kill you and your family with his own sword. 22:24
"The firstborn of thy sons thou shalt give unto me." (As a burnt offering?) 22:29
God promises to "send his fear before the Israelites" and to kill everyone that they encounter when they enter the promised land. 23:27
God has hornets that bite and kill people. 23:28
Moses has some animals killed and their dead bodies burned for God. Then he sprinkles their blood on the altar and on the people. This makes God happy. 24:5-8
Get some animals, kill them, chop up their bodies, wave body parts in the air, burn the carcasses, and sprinkle the blood all around -- in precisely the way God tells you. It may well make you sick, but it makes God feel good. 29:11-37
Have your killed and offered your bullock for a sin offering today? How about the two lambs you are supposed to offer each day? 29:36-39
Wash up or die. This is a good verse to use when reminding the kiddies to wash their hands before supper. 30:20
Whoever puts holy oil on a stranger shall be "cut off from his people." 30:33
Those who break the Sabbath are to be executed. 31:14
God asks to be left alone so that his "wrath may wax hot" and he can "consume them. 32:10
Moses burned the golden calf, ground it into powder, and then forced it down the throats of all the people. 32:20
God orders the sons of Levi (Moses, Aaron, and the other members of their tribe that were "on the Lord's side") to kill "every man his neighbor." "And there fell of the people that day about 3000 men." 32:27-28
"Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book." 32:33
But God wasn't satisfied with the slaughter of the 3000, so he killed some more people with a plague. 32:35
If you can't redeem him, then just "break his neck." Hey, it's all for the glory of God. 34:20
Whoever works, or even kindles a fire, on the Sabbath "shall be put to death." 35:2-3
Leviticus

God gives detailed instructions for performing ritualistic animal sacrifices. such bloody rituals must be important to God, judging from the number of times that he repeats their instructions. Indeed the entire first nine chapters of Leviticus can be summarized as follows: Get an animal, kill it, sprinkle the blood around, cut the dead animal into pieces, and burn it for a "sweet savor unto the Lord." Chapters 1 - 9
"Kill the bullock before the LORD ... bring the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar." 1:5
"Flay the burnt offering; cut it into pieces." 1:6
Lay ... the head, and the fat ... on the fire which is upon the altar: But his inwards and his legs ... burn all on the altar, to be a burnt sacrifice ... a sweet savour unto the LORD." 1:8-9
"Kill ... before the Lord and ... sprinkle blood round about." 1:11
"Cut it into his pieces, with his head and his fat ... and burn it ... for a sweet savour unto the Lord." 1:12-13
"If the burnt sacrifice ... be of fowls ... wring off his head, and burn it ... and the blood thereof shall be wrung out." 1:14-15
"For a sweet savour unto the Lord." 1:17
"Part it in pieces... it is a meat offering." 2:6
"It is a thing most holy of the offerings of the LORD made by fire." 2:10
"He shall lay his hand upon the head of his offering, and kill it ... and .... sprinkle the blood ... round about." 3:2
"The fat that covereth the inwards ... and the two kidneys ... and the caul above the liver.... It is ... a sweet savour unto the Lord." 3:3-5
"He shall lay his hand upon the head of his offering, and kill it ... and .... sprinkle the blood ... round about." 3:8
"The fat ... the whole rump ... the inwards ... the two kidneys ... burn it upon the altar: it is the food of the offering made by fire unto the LORD." 3:9-11
"If his offering be a goat ... he shall lay his hand upon the head ... and kill it ... and ... sprinkle the blood ... round about." 3:12-13
"The fat that covereth the inwards ... the two kidneys ... and the caul above the liver ... burn them upon the altar; it is the food of the ooffering made by fire for a sweet savour." 3:14-16
"All the fat is the Lord's."
When you do your burnt offerings, remember that "all the fat is the Lord's." (And he doesn't like to share!) 3:16
"Kill the bullock before the Lord and take of the bullock's blood." 4:4
"The priest shall dip his finger in the blood and sprinkle the blood seven times before the Lord." 4:6
"Put some of the blood upon the horns of the altar ... and ... pour all the blood of the bullock at the bottom of the altar." 4:7
"Take ... all the fat of the bullock for the sin offering; the fat that covereth the inwards ... the two kidneys ... and the caul above the liver ... and ... burn them upon the altar of the burnt offering." 4:8-10
"And the skin of the bullock, and all his flesh, with his head, and with his legs, and his inwards, and his dung...."
What to do with the fat, kidneys, liver, skin, head, entrails, and dung from your burnt offerings. 4:11-12
"Offer a young bullock for the sin ... The bullock shall be killed before the Lord." 4:14-15
"Bring of the bullock's blood ... And the priest shall dip his finger in the blood and sprinkle the blood seven times before the Lord." 4:16-17
"Put some of the blood upon the horns of the altar ... and ... pour out all the blood ... and ... take all his fat from him, and burn it upon the altar." 4:18-19
"He shall lay his hand upon the head of the goat, and kill it." 4:24-25
"The priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out his blood ... and he shall burn all his fat upon the altar." 4:25-26
"Slay the sin offering ... and the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering ... and shall pour out all the blood." 4:29-30
"He shall take away all the fat ... and ... burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour unto the LORD." 4:31
"Slay the sin offering ... and the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering and shall pour out all the blood." 4:33-35
"He shall bring his trespass offering unto the LORD ... a female from the flock, a lamb or a kid of the goats."
If you touch an insect, dead animal, or "the uncleanness of man" or if you swear to do something good or bad (5:2-4), kill a female lamb or goat for God. (A female will do since it's a minor offense.) 5:6
"If he be not able to bring a lamb, then he shall bring ... two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, unto the LORD ... and wring off his head."
If you don't have a lamb to kill for God, then you can wring off the head of a pigeon or dove. 5:7
"And he shall sprinkle of the blood of the sin offering upon the side of the altar; and the rest of the blood shall be wrung out at the bottom of the altar: it is a sin offering." 5:9
"The Lord spake unto Moses, saying, If a soul ... sin through ignorance ... then he shall bring for his trespass unto the LORD a ram without blemish."
If you sin without knowing that you've done anything wrong, kill an unblemished ram for God. 5:14-15
"This is the law of the sin offering: the sin offering [shall] be killed before the LORD: it is most holy." 6:25
"The trespass offering: it is most holy"
The holy law of trespass offering: Find an animal; kill it; sprinkle the blood around; offer God the fat, rump, kidneys, and caul; burn and eat it in the holy place, for "it is most holy." 7:1-6
Kill the trespass offering: and the blood thereof shall he sprinkle round about upon the altar." 7:2
"Offer of it all the fat thereof; the rump, and the fat that covereth the inwards, and the two kidneys, and the fat that is on them ... and the caul that is above the liver." 7:3
"It shall be the priest's that sprinkleth the blood of the peace offerings." 7:14
Be careful what you eat during these animal sacrifices. Don't eat fat or blood -- these are for God. (And he doesn't like to share!) 7:18-27
"The fat with the breast, it shall he bring, that the breast may be waved for a wave offering before the LORD." Wave the fat and the breast for "a wave offering before the Lord." 7:30
"And the priest shall burn the fat upon the altar: but the breast shall be Aaron's and his sons'." 7:31
"And the right shoulder shall ye give unto the priest for an heave offering." 7:32
"He among the sons of Aaron, that offereth the blood of the peace offerings, and the fat, shall have the right shoulder for his part."
Aaron's sons get the right shoulder from all peace offerings. 7:33
"For the wave breast and the heave shoulder ... a statute for ever."
Be sure to do your wave breast or heave shoulder today. It is a statute forver. 7:34
Moses does it all for God. First he kills an animal; wipes the blood on Aaron's ears, thumbs, and big toes. Then he sprinkles blood round about and waves the guts before the Lord. Finally he burns the whole mess for "a sweet savour before the Lord." 8:14-32
"Aaron and his sons laid their hands upon the head of the bullock for the sin offering and he slew it." 8:14-15
"Moses took the blood, and put it upon the horns of the altar round about with his finger .. and poured the blood at the bottom of the altar." 8:15
"And he took all the fat that was upon the inwards, and the caul above the liver, and the two kidneys, and their fat, and Moses burned it upon the altar." 8:16
"But the bullock, and his hide, his flesh, and his dung, he burnt with fire without the camp; as the LORD commanded Moses." 8:17
"Aaron and his sons laid their hands upon the head of the ram. And he killed it." 8:18-19
"Moses sprinkled the blood upon the altar round about." 8:19
"And he cut the ram into pieces; and Moses burnt the head, and the pieces, and the fat." 8:20
"And he washed the inwards and the legs in water; and Moses burnt the whole ram upon the altar: it was a burnt sacrifice for a sweet savour, and an offering made by fire unto the LORD; as the LORD commanded Moses." 8:21
"Aaron and his sons laid their hands upon the head of the ram. And he slew it." 8:22-23
"Moses took of the blood of it, and put it upon the tip of Aaron's right ear, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot." 8:23
"And he brought Aaron's sons, and Moses put of the blood upon the tip of their right ear, and upon the thumbs of their right hands, and upon the great toes of their right feet: and Moses sprinkled the blood upon the altar round about." 8:24
"And he took the fat, and the rump, and all the fat that was upon the inwards, and the caul above the liver, and the two kidneys, and their fat, and the right shoulder." 8:25
"And he put all upon Aaron's hands, and upon his sons' hands, and waved them for a wave offering before the LORD." 8:27
"Moses ... burnt them ... for a sweet savour." 8:28
"And Moses took the breast, and waved it for a wave offering before the LORD." 8:29
"And Moses took ... of the blood which was upon the altar, and sprinkled it upon Aaron, and upon his garments, and upon his sons, and upon his sons' garments." 8:30
"Moses said unto Aaron and to his sons, Boil the flesh." 8:31
And that which remaineth of the flesh .... shall ye burn with fire." 8:32
More killing, sprinkling of blood, waiving animal parts, and burning carcasses "before the Lord." 9:2-21
"Take thee a young calf for a sin offering, and a ram for a burnt offering, without blemish, and offer them before the LORD." 9:2
"Take ye a kid of the goats for a sin offering; and a calf and a lamb, both of the first year, without blemish, for a burnt offering." 9:3
"Also a bullock and a ram for peace offerings, to sacrifice before the LORD; and a meat offering." 9:4
Kill the calf, dip your finger in the blood, sprinkle the blood round about, burn the fat and entrails, and wave the breast for a wave offering before the Lord. 9:8-21
"Aaron ... slew the calf of the sin offering." 9:8
"And the sons of Aaron brought the blood unto him: and he dipped his finger in the blood, and put it upon the horns of the altar, and poured out the blood at the bottom of the altar." 9:9
"But the fat, and the kidneys, and the caul above the liver of the sin offering, he burnt upon the altar; as the LORD commanded Moses." 9:10
"And the flesh and the hide he burnt with fire without the camp." 9:11
"And he slew the burnt offering; and Aaron's sons presented unto him the blood, which he sprinkled round about upon the altar." 9:12
"And they presented the burnt offering unto him, with the pieces thereof, and the head: and he burnt them upon the altar." 9:13
"And he did wash the inwards and the legs, and burnt them upon the burnt offering on the altar." 9:14
"And he ... took the goat ... the people, and slew it." 9:15
"He slew also the bullock and the ram ... and Aaron's sons presented unto him the blood, which he sprinkled upon the altar round about." 9:18
"And the fat of the bullock and of the ram, the rump, and that which covereth the inwards, and the kidneys, and the caul above the liver." 9:19
"And they put the fat upon the breasts, and he burnt the fat upon the altar." 9:20
"And the breasts and the right shoulder Aaron waved for a wave offering before the LORD; as Moses commanded." 9:21
Two of the sons of Aaron "offered strange fire before the Lord" and "there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord." 10:1-2
Moses tells Aaron that his sons were burned to death to sanctify and glorify God. 10:3
Moses tells Aaron's cousins to drag the burned bodies out of the camp, and he warns Aaron not to mourn the death of his sons or God will kill him too, along with everyone else. 10:4-6
If priests misbehave at the tabernacle by uncovering their heads, tearing their clothes, leaving with holy oil on them, or by drinking "wine or strong drink", then God will kill them and send his wrath on "all the people." 10:6-9
God will kill any priest that leaves the tabernacle. 10:7
If priests misbehave at the tabernacle by by drinking "wine or strong drink," then God will kill them and send his wrath on "all the people." "It shall be a statute for ever." 10:9
"And the wave breast and heave shoulder shall ye eat in a clean place." 10:14
"The heave shoulder and the wave breast ... bring with the offerings made by fire of the fat, to wave it for a wave offering before the LORD." 10:15
"She shall bring a lamb ... for a burnt offering, and... a young pigeon, or dove, for a sin offering."
After a woman gives birth, a priest must kill a lamb, pigeon, or dove as a sin offering. This is because having children is sinful and God likes it when things are killed for him. 12:6
"If she be not able to bring a lamb, then she shall bring two turtles, or two young pigeons ... and she shall be clean." 12:8
God's law for lepers: Get two birds. Kill one. Dip the live bird in the blood of the dead one. Sprinkle the blood on the leper seven times, and then let the blood-soaked bird fly off. Next find a lamb and kill it. Wipe some of its blood on the patient's right ear, thumb, and big toe. Sprinkle seven times with oil and wipe some of the oil on his right ear, thumb and big toe. Repeat. Finally kill a couple doves and offer one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. 14:2-32
"Then shall the priest command to take for him that is to be cleansed two birds alive and clean ... and the priest shall command that one of the birds be killed in an earthen vessel over running water." 14:4
"And on the eighth day he shall take two he lambs without blemish, and one ewe lamb of the first year without blemish ... And the priest shall take one he lamb, and offer him for a trespass offering ... and wave them for a wave offering before the LORD." 14:10-12
"And he shall slay the lamb ... in the holy place: ... it is most holy." 14:13
"And the priest shall take some of the blood of the trespass offering, and ... put it upon the tip of the right ear of him that is to be cleansed, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot." 14:14
"The priest shall offer the sin offering ... and afterward he shall kill the burnt offering." 14:19
"If he be poor, and cannot get so much; then he shall take one lamb for a trespass offering to be waved ... and two turtledoves, or two young pigeons ... and the one shall be a sin offering, and the other a burnt offering." 14:21-22
"And the priest shall take the lamb of the trespass offering ... and the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before the LORD:" 14:24
"And he shall kill the lamb of the trespass offering, and the priest shall take some of the blood of the trespass offering, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of him that is to be cleansed, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot." 14:25
"And he shall offer the one of the turtledoves, or of the young pigeons, such as he can get." 14:30
"Even such as he is able to get, the one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering, with the meat offering." 14:31
"When ye be come into the land of Canaan ... I put the plague of leprosy in ... the land of your possession."
God "put the plague of leprosy" on the Canaanites. 14:34
"He shall take to cleanse the house two birds ... And he shall kill the one of the birds ... And he shall take ... the living bird, and dip them in the blood of the slain bird ... and sprinkle the house seven times ... And he shall cleanse the house with the blood of the bird." 14:49-52
"On the eighth day he shall take to him two turtledoves, or two young pigeons ... and ... offer them, the one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering." 15:14-15
"On the eighth day she shall take unto her two turtles, or two young pigeons ... for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for her before the LORD for the issue of her uncleanness." 15:29-30
God warns Aaron that he might have to burn him to death like he did his sons. (10:1-2) 16:1-2
God explains the use of scapegoats. It goes like this: Get two goats. Kill one. Wipe, smear, and sprinkle the blood around seven times. Then take the other goat, give it the sins of all the people, and send it off into the wilderness. 16:8-28
"Kill the bullock of the sin offering." 16:11
"Take of the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it ... seven times." 16:14
"Kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood ... and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat." 16:15
"Take of the blood of the bullock, and of the blood of the goat, and put it upon the horns of the altar round about." 16:18
"He shall sprinkle of the blood upon it with his finger seven times." 16:19
Sprinkle the blood and burn the fat for a sweet savour unto the Lord. 17:6
If you upset God, he'll cause the land to vomit you out. 18:25
"Keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations ... that the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you." 18:26-28
"Whosoever shall commit any of these abominations ... shall be cut off from among their people." 18:29
Don't eat sacrifices on the third day or God will cut you off from among your people. 19:6-8
"Whosoever ... giveth ... his seed unto Molech ... the people ... shall stone him with stones." 20:2
If you refuse to kill someone who gives his seed to Molech, God set his face against you and your family. 20:4-5
"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall surely be put to death." Couldn't we try spanking first? 20:9
Both parties in adultery shall be executed. 20:10
If a man has sex with his father's wife, kill them both. 20:11
If a man "lies" with his daughter-in-law, then both must be killed. 20:12
If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13
If you "lie" with your wife and your mother-in-law (now that sounds fun!), then all three of you must be burned to death. 20:14
If a man or woman "lie with a beast" both the person and the poor animal are to be killed. 20:15-16
People with "familiar spirits" (witches, fortune tellers, etc.) are to be stoned to death. 20:27
A priest's daughter who "plays the whore" is to be burned to death. 21:9
"Ye shall offer ... a male without blemish ... Blind, or broken, or maimed, or having a wen, or scurvy, or scabbed, ye shall not offer these unto the LORD ... Ye shall not offer unto the LORD that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut."
God wants us to kill lots of animals for him. Not just any animals, though. God only wants dead, male animals without any blemishes. Don't kill any blind , broken, maimed, or scabbed, or female animials for him. 22:19-24
God gives us more instructions on killing and burning animals. I guess the first nine chapters of Leviticus wasn't enough. He says we must do this because he really likes the smell -- it is "a sweet savour unto the Lord." 23:12-14, 18
Don't do any work on the day of atonement or God will destroy you. 23:29-30
A man curses and blasphemes while disputing with another man. Moses asks God what to do about it. God says that the whole community must stone him to death. "And the children of Israel did as the Lord and Moses commanded." 24:10-23
Anyone who blasphemes or curses shall be stoned to death by the entire community. 24:16
"He that killeth any man shall surely be put to death." 24:17
"If a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him." 24:19
"Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again." 24:20
"He that killeth a man, he shall be put to death." 24:21
God tells the Israelites to make slaves out of their neighbors and their families. The "heathens" and "strangers" are to be their possessions forever. 25:44-46
God tells the Israelites to "chase" their enemies and make them "fall before you by the sword." He figures five of the Israelites will be able to "chase" a hundred of their enemies, and a hundred will be able to "put ten thousand to flight." 26:7-8
If you don't follow all of the laws in the Old Testament, God will shower you with all of the curses in the next 25 verses. 26:14-15
"I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it." 26:16
"I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies." 26:17
"I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins." 26:21
"I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle." 26:22
"I will bring a sword upon you ... I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy." 26:25
"And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat." 26:29
"I will ... cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you." 26:30
"And I will make your cities waste." 26:31
"And I will bring the land into desolation". 26:32
"And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste." 26:33
"And they shall fall one upon another, as it were before a sword, when none pursueth: and ye shall have no power to stand before your enemies." 26:37
"And ye shall perish among the heathen, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up." 26:38
All "devoted" things (both man and beast) "shall surely be put to death." 27:28-29
Numbers

God shows his hospitality with the admonition: "The stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death." 1:51, 3:10, 3:38
Two of Aaron's sons are killed by God for "offering strange fire before the Lord." 3:4
Don't touch or "go in to see when the holy things are covered." God kills people who touch or look at covered holy things. 4:15, 20
God tells the people to expel from camp "every leper, every one that hath an issue, and whoever is defiled by the dead." So by God's instructions, the sick are abandoned and left to suffer and die alone. 5:1-4
"He shall bring two turtles, or two young pigeons, to the priest ... and the priest shall offer the one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering." 6:10-11
"He ... shall bring a lamb of the first year for a trespass offering." 6:12
"He shall offer his offering unto the LORD, one he lamb of the first year without blemish for a burnt offering, and one ewe lamb of the first year without blemish for a sin offering, and one ram without blemish for peace offerings." 6:14
"The priest shall bring them before the LORD, and shall offer his sin offering, and his burnt offering." 616:
"The priest shall offer also his meat offering." 6:17
"And the priest shall take the sodden shoulder of the ram." 619:
"And the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before the LORD: this is holy for the priest, with the wave breast and heave shoulder." 6:20
When Moses set up the tabernacle, each of the twelve tribes kills a bullock, lamb, ram, and a kid, two oxen, and five rams, goats, and lambs for God, for a grand total of 240 animal sacrifices. 7:15-88
"The Levites shall lay their hands upon the heads of the bullocks: and thou shalt offer the one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering." 8:8-12
All firstborn Israelites, "both man and beast", belong to God. He got them the day that he killed every Egyptian firstborn child and animal. 8:17
"And when the people complained, it displeased the Lord: and the Lord heard it (He had his hearing aid on.) .... and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them."
God burned the complainers alive. That'll teach them! 11:1-2
"And while the flesh [of the quails] was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the Lord was kindled against the people, and the Lord smote the people with a very great plague. "The Bible isn't too clear about what these poor folks did to upset God so much; all it says is that they had "lusted." 11:33
Miriam and Aaron (Moses' brother and sister) criticize Moses for marrying an Ethiopian woman and thus breaking the law of God. But God makes it clear that his rules don't apply to his favorites, and he strikes Miriam with leprosy. Notice that only Miriam is punished, though both she and Aaron complained. 12:1, 9-10
God tells Moses that he is going to kill all of the Israelites -- every last whining one of the them, and then make a whole bunch of brand new Israelites. 14:12
God punishes the children for the failings of their great-great grandfathers. 14:18
So Moses talked God out of killing everyone. He'll just see to it that no one over 20 years old survives the trip to Israel. Their "carcases shall fall in the wilderness." 14:20-35
God killed the ten spies that gave a discouraging report with a plague. 14:36-37
To further punish the Israelites for whining and plotting against Moses, God will send the Amelekites and Canaanites to smite them. 14:43-45
God gives more instructions for the ritualistic killing of animals. The smell of burning flesh is "a sweet savour unto the Lord." 15:3, 13-14, 24
The Israelites find a man picking up sticks on the sabbath. God commands them to kill him by throwing rocks at him. 15:32-36
Korah, Dathan, and Abiram, the first freethought/democracy martyrs, refused to follow Moses blindly, saying that everyone is holy and should be free to think for him or herself. God killed them and their families for daring to challenge Moses. 16:1-35
Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment."
God warns everyone to get away; he's going to kill some more people. 16:20-21
"Hereby ye shall know that the LORD hath sent me ... if the LORD make ... the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down quick into the pit..."
Moses tells the people that if the ground opens up and swallows the rebels and their families, then you'll know that God's on his side. 16:28-30
"The earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah ... They ... went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them." 16:31-33
"And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense." 16:35
After God killed Korah, his family, and 250 innocent bystanders, the people complained saying, "ye have killed the people of the Lord." So God, who doesn't take kindly to criticism, sends a plague on the people. And "they that died in the plague were 14,700." 16:41-50
"Get you up from among this congregation, that I may consume them as in a moment."
God threatens (again) to kill everyone (but his special friends, Moses and Aaron). 16:44-45
"For there is wrath gone out from the LORD; the plague is begun ... they that died in the plague were fourteen thousand and seven hundred." 16:46-49
"Thou shalt quite take away their murmurings from me, that they die not." God threatens to kill those who murmur. 17:10
God threatens to kill those who murmur. To which the people reply, "Behold, we die, we perish, we all perish .... Shall we be consumed with dying?" 17:12-13
"They shall not come nigh the vessels of the sanctuary and the altar, that neither they, nor ye also, die."
Stay away from holy things and places -- like churches. God might have to kill you if you get too close. 18:3
God shows us how to make new friends by saying : "The stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death." 18:7
God describes once again the procedure for ritualistic animal sacrifices. such rituals must be extremely important to God, since he makes their performance a "statute" and "covenant" forever. Why, then don't Bible-believers perform these sacrifices anymore? Don't they realize how God must miss the "sweet savour" of burning flesh? Don't they believe God when he says "forever"? 18:17-19
"Neither must the children of Israel henceforth come nigh the tabernacle of the congregation, lest they bear sin, and die." 18:22
"Neither shall ye pollute the holy things of the children of Israel, lest ye die." 18:32
"This is the ordinance of the law which the LORD hath commanded."
These absurd rituals, cruel sacrifices, and unjust punishments are vitally important to God. They are to be "a perpetual statute" for everyone on earth. 19:1-22
"Take of her blood with his finger, and sprinkle ... seven times."
God's instructions for putting blood on fingers, sprinkling it around, and then burning the dung of sacrificial animals. This is something that everyone needs to know about. (That's why it's in the Bible!). 19:4-5
"And the Lord hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites; and they utterly destroyed them and their cities." This verse demonstrates the power of prayer: If you ask God, he will destroy entire cities for you. 21:3
God sends "fiery serpents" to bite his chosen people, and many of them die. 21:6
God delivers the Amorites into Moses' hands. (You're in God hands with Moses.) So Moses does the usual thing, killing everyone "until their was none left alive." 21:34-35
God's people will kill like a lion and then "drink the blood of the slain." 23:24
God, who is as strong as a unicorn, will eat up the nations, break their bones, and then pierce them through with his arrows. What a guy! 24:8
After the people "commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab," Moses has them all killed. Then God tells Moses to hang their dead bodies up in front of him; God says that this will satisfy him. 25:1-5
When one of the Israelite men brings home a foreign woman, "Phinehas (Aaron's grandson) sees them and throws a spear "through the man .. and the woman through her belly." This act pleases God so much that "the plague was stayed from the children of Israel." But not before 24,000 had died. 25:6-9
For impaling the interracial couple, God rewards Phinehas and his sons with the everlasting priesthood. 25:10-13
God tells Moses how to care for his neighbors by saying: "Vex the Midianites, and smite them." 25:16-17
The ground swallow Korah and his companions and a fire consumes 250 men. 26:10
"And Nadab and Abihu died when they offered strange fire before the Lord." When you go camping avoid making any unusual fires. 26:61
In these chapters (28, 29), God provides ridiculously detailed instructions for the ritualistic sacrifice of animals. The burning of their dead bodies smells great to God. Eleven times in these two chapters God says that they are to him a "sweet savour." 28-29
Under God's direction, Moses' army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: "Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." So they went back and did as Moses (and presumably God) instructed, killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way they got 32,000 virgins -- Wow! (Even God gets some of the booty -- including the virgins.) 31:1-54
"The prey that was taken, both of man and of beast" was offered as a "heave offering of the LORD." 31:26-29
"Every man armed for war, before the LORD to battle" 32:27
God killed all the Egyptian firstborn. 33:4
God tells Moses to exterminate the residents of Canaan and destroy all of their religious symbols and possessions. 33:50-52
But if the Israelites don't kill them all, then God will make them pricks in their eyes and thorns in their sides. And he will do unto the Israelites as he planned to do to the inhabitants of Canaan. 33:55-56
"The revenger of blood himself shall slay the murderer: when he meeteth him, he shall slay him." The "revenger of blood" (the victim's closest relative) must murder the murderer just as soon as he sees him. 35:19, 21
"But if the slayer shall at any time come without the border of the city of his refuge ... and the revenger of blood kill the slayer; he shall not be guilty of blood. Because he should have remained in the city of his refuge until the death of the high priest" If the accidental killer leaves the city of refuge and is caught by the revenger of blood, then the revenger can legally kill the accidental killer. 35:26-28
"Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be put to death." 35:30
"The land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it." 35:33

[panama hat]

Muhammad's Sword Verse.



Ranting of a Criminal Mind - that's for sure

You're an idiot

Those factual versus in the Quran need to be read by the world.

These versus (and others) are the reasons that Islam will always bring a stone age mentality.

You're an even bigger idiot

Leviticus 20:10 - 'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

Deuteronomy 20:10-15 – When you march up to attack a city, ...... and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies.

Deuteronomy 22:23-27 - If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife

Genesis 3:16 - "To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.""

Exodus 35:2 – " For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death."

Genesis 6:6-7 - "The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them."

Exodus 12:28-30 - "The Israelites did just what the LORD commanded Moses and Aaron. At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well. Pharaoh and all his officials and all the Egyptians got up during the night, and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead."

This one's a doozy:

Hosea 13:16 - "The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open."

. . . and this could go on and on and on and on for pages and pages and pages and pages . . . but to top it off for your amusement:

Deuteronomy 17:12 - "Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the Lord your God must die.

Exodus 22:20 - "Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed."

Quoting selected parts of anything to 'prove' your - bigoted - point while completely ignoring what is the basis of western civilisation is not only absurd and disingenuous, but simply stupid.

To think that 1.5 billion people cling on to selected passages without showing the exact contradictions in the same book makes you both utter fools and simpletons

Careful, BM . . .

[bsnub]

An Australian killed fighting for the Kurds against Islamic State in northern Syria - and thought to be the first Westerner to die in battle against IS – has been identified as 28 year-old Ashley Kent Johnston.
Mr Johnston, born in Maryborough, Queensland, is believed to have been a resident of the ACT before joining the fight against IS in Syria and Iraqi Kurdistan.
Australian Kurdish Association president Gulfer Olan confirmed Mr Johnston had died in the fighting and said she was trying to contact Mr Johnston's family to pass on the Kurdish community's condolences.
A man reported killed fighting against Islamic State in Syria, and identified as 28-year-old Australian Ashley Kent Johnston.

Fairfax Media has obtained an image of Mr Johnston's passport from Australian Kurdish representatives. He was born on April 15, 1986.
A Defence spokeswoman confirmed the dead man was a former Army Reservist but would not confirm his name.
Ms Olan said: "He was a hero. He went all the way from here to fight for humanity. We will have him in our hearts forever."
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which is based in London, announced on Thursday that an Australian man was killed in an IS assault against a position of the Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) near Tal Hamis in Hasakeh province.
The YPG posted a Facebook tribute to Mr Johnston, who they called "Heval Bagok Serhed".
"We the YPG regretfully inform you of the death of one of our bravest Western fighters Heval Bagok Serhed. He is the first Western fighter to be martyred fighting the evil of ISIS. Rest in peace our brother," the Facebook group "the Lions Of Rojava" said.
"Throughout his time in Kurdistan he had a positive impact on my people's lives though his humility and kindness to everyone he met. He was taken from us in a heroic assault on ISIS positions in a small village near Shingal. His squad of eight fighters were in a truck which had broken down and it was critical that they dislodge ISIS form their positions so they pushed on fearlessly with little regard for the own safety.
"They where massively outnumbered and outgunned but fearless in the face of this as they knew another ISIS death meant saving the lives of countless civilians. He was a fearless and exceptional soldier as well a great man.
"Please keep his family and loved ones in your prayers and remember him and his heroic actions, which saved his comrades."
It is believed that Mr Johnston was with Jordan Matson, an American volunteer who has criticised the Australian government for making it a jailable offence to fight for the YPG.
Fairfax Media also spoke to a Kurdish Syrian translator, Sabry Omar, who saw the Australian, who he named only as "Ashley", on Mount Sinjar in Iraqi Kurdistan last month.
"He was on the frontline when he was injured - I saw him in hospital, but he was not seriously hurt," he said. "A suicide bomber in a car exploded near him and his eyes were injured."
Mr Omar last saw Ashley on some social media sites, on January 28 or 29, he said.
"His nickname was Gabar - which is the name of a Kurdish mountain in Turkey.
"He had many tattoos ... I am sure he must have been a professional soldier in Australia from his level of experience [as a fighter] ..."
The news of the Australian's death travelled fast through Kurdistan and the Kurdish controlled enclave of Jazira in north-eastern Syria.
Mr Rahman said dozens of Westerners had joined the YPG's ranks.
"There are foreigners fighting on all sides of Syria's war ... They are volunteers, they don't get paid anything at all," he said.
"The YPG isn't actively recruiting foreigners, but people from countries like Canada, the United States, Britain, Spain, Australia, Holland, Austria and France have travelled to Syria to join their ranks," he said.
A spokeswoman for Foreign Minister Julie Bishop said the government could not confirm the man's name.
A Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade spokeswoman said: "We are aware of reports that an Australian male has reportedly been killed in northern Syria (on Tuesday 24 Feb).
"The Australian government's capacity to confirm reports of deaths in either Syria or Iraq is extremely limited. Due to the extremely dangerous security situation, consular assistance is no longer available within Syria. Australians who become involved in overseas conflicts are putting their own lives in mortal danger. Any Australians fighting with non-state militia in Syria or Iraq should end their involvement in the conflict now and leave the conflict zone. Australians are strongly advised not to travel to Syria or Iraq; any Australians in either country should leave immediately. For further information, please see www.smartraveller.gov.au."


DFAT has urged all Australians in the Middle East fighting IS to return home.
In October, Attorney-General George Brandis warned that any Australian fighting for the YPG would face prosecution under the Foreign Incursions and Recruitment Act and a possible jail sentence of up to 20 years. YPG has been linked to Kurdish group PKK, which is a proscribed terrorist organisation according to the Australian government.
In a message on Facebook, Jordan Matson said: "Ashley was a good man who never complained and was always positive. He came to defend his country even after his country labelled him a criminal for doing so."
A Twitter account called KurdishPhoto posted on Thursday: "Ashley from Australia. You are a freedom fighter, a martyr and will forever live in the hearts of the Kurdish people".


Australian killed fighting Islamic State named as Ashley Kent Johnston

[Neverna]

It seems to me that Ashley Johnston might have been breaking Australian anti-terror laws. That would make him a terrorist in the eyes of Australian law

The Senate has passed the controversial Foreign Fighters Bill, but the Federal Government is already planning to introduce further changes.

The new laws, which are designed to stop Australians fighting in overseas conflicts, make it easier for the Government to cancel passports and allow authorities to declare some conflicts as "no go" zones for Australian travellers.

Tony Abbott confirms legislation plan to tackle Australians fighting abroad | Australia news | The Guardian

[FlyFree]

Meanwhile, from the Bullshit Broadcasting Corporation:

"The recent abduction of dozens of Assyrian Christians and the mass beheading of Egyptian Copts at the hands of the Islamic State (IS) militant group raises questions about its stance on Christians, both in the Middle East and worldwide."



BBC News - Islamic State's position on Christians

[FlyFree]

Islam, without reform, simply never was, isn't and can never be a 'religion of peace'. And reform is nigh impossible because the Quran tried to cast itself in stone. Reform it and it will fall apart. Islam is inherently brittle. It cannot bend, it can only break, spectacularly and violently.

With all due respect, you do not know what you are talking about. From its earliest days, Islam has possessed a tradition of revival and reform. The 19th century modernist movement, for example, wanted to confront the challenges of their day by reinterpreting Islam to meet modern needs. Do some research, and look up ijtihad (re-interpreting the sources of Islam in the modern context). Fatwas can also help adapt Islamic law to the spirit of the time using “the principle of maslaha (public interest) allowing the law to be changed according to modern requirements.

Glad you at least have the honesty to state 'wanted to'. Care to elucidate what happened to those that wanted to? Pretty much what happens to the same types today.

A few facts, just to cut through the crap and add perspective. Rude and intolerant? Yes. That is what happens to attitudes when the same old tripe is dragged across debates ad nauseum.


A) There are a sickening number of religions and cults. All have one thing in common. Layer upon layer of the most ridiculous bullshit.

B) Islam is not the largest.

C) Islamic +- 1.8bn. Something many like to cite as if numbers give bullshit credence.

D) World population +- 7bn. Take note ffs.

E) Religion everyone has a problem with - Islam.

F) Islam has a problem with - everyone.

G) 2015. Time is better spent debating important things like climate change and solutions, where to go re genetic engineering etc. In other words, REAL issues.

Islam has overused it's bandwith allocation. Adapt or die. Stop forcing crap on educated, thinking people and expect them to 'debate' patiently forever whether Mohammed flew up to the heavens on a winged horse, and other cute fairy tales.

Debating religious nutters, of all stripes, is worse than useless, worse than debating a 10 yo. By a country mile.

The religion is stupid and aggressive. A really bad combo. For everyone, including it's deluded followers. Again, of all stripes.


Expect more derision and less tolerance the further this crap is pushed. As I said, it's abused it's bandwidth.

[Black Heart]

The 2 posters who posted the Bible to negate the passages in the Quran, have made a colossal mistake.

The Quran is the DIRECT WORD OF GOD.

The Bible is not.


For the record, I am not a christian nor never have been. I despise christianity - and Islam.

But Islam is far worse because of the rules of apostacy, the Quran being the direct word of god, and the Hadith, not allowed to be challenged.

By posting passages of the Bible - which is another fairy tale, violent, disturbing book - you - have proved your ignorance.

[Neverna]

Islam, without reform, simply never was, isn't and can never be a 'religion of peace'. And reform is nigh impossible because the Quran tried to cast itself in stone. Reform it and it will fall apart. Islam is inherently brittle. It cannot bend, it can only break, spectacularly and violently.

With all due respect, you do not know what you are talking about. From its earliest days, Islam has possessed a tradition of revival and reform. The 19th century modernist movement, for example, wanted to confront the challenges of their day by reinterpreting Islam to meet modern needs. Do some research, and look up ijtihad (re-interpreting the sources of Islam in the modern context). Fatwas can also help adapt Islamic law to the spirit of the time using “the principle of maslaha (public interest) allowing the law to be changed according to modern requirements.

Glad you at least have the honesty to state 'wanted to'. Care to elucidate what happened to those that wanted to?

Read for yourself. Here are a couple of names to get you started ...

Muhammad Abduh
Muhammad Abduh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Muhammad 'Abduh | biography - Egyptian scholar and jurist | Encyclopedia Britannica
Muhammad 'Abduh (1849-1905)

Jamal ad-Din al-Afghani
Jamal ad-Din al-Afghani - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jamal ad-Din al-Afghani
Afghani, Jamal al-Din al- - Oxford Islamic Studies Online

[Neverna]

... the Hadith, not allowed to be challenged.

Not true, Black Heart. There are different classifications of hadith based on how authentic they are believed to be. For example: sahih (sound), hasan (good), da'if (weak) or maudu' (fabricated, forged). See here: IslamBasics

Also, there are different 'schools' of Islamic jurisprudence. Different schools may use different hadith and may have differing opinions of the authenticity of particular hadith.
See here Fiqh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
here The Five Schools of Islamic Thought | Inquiries About Shi'a Islam | Books on Islam and Muslims | Al-Islam.org
and here: Institute of Islamic Banking and Insurance - Islamic Jurisprudence

[wasabi]

Jihadi John, is now known world-wide. Does it matter? Maybe; maybe not.

National Security

‘Jihadi John’: Islamic State killer is identified as Londoner Mohammed Emwazi

?Jihadi John?: Islamic State killer is identified as Londoner Mohammed Emwazi - The Washington Post

Already I knew the minute this information was released, that the BBC would blame the White Man.
So on the BBC 2 Vine show at 12, today Feb 27
What did we get, a charity called Cage.
A Muslim human rights organisation, and they blamed MI5 for radicalising Londoner, Brit Jehadi John.
Because MI5 tried to recruit him.

[Black Heart]

^^ Neverna,

Thank you for this information.

You seem to know a lot. Are you muzzie?

[panama hat]

The Quran is the DIRECT WORD OF GOD.

The Bible is not.

Who cares either way - and if by direct you mean through a human being . . .

the Quran being the direct word of god, and the Hadith, not allowed to be challenged.

Incorrect, as per Nirvana

By posting passages of the Bible - which is another fairy tale, violent, disturbing book - you - have proved your ignorance.

And you have proven nothing just by saying that

Not true, Black Heart. There are different classifications of hadith based on how authentic they are believed to be. For example: sahih (sound), hasan (good), da'if (weak) or maudu' (fabricated, forged). See here: IslamBasics

Also, there are different 'schools' of Islamic jurisprudence. Different schools may use different hadith and may have differing opinions of the authenticity of particular hadith.
See here Fiqh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
here The Five Schools of Islamic Thought | Inquiries About Shi'a Islam | Books on Islam and Muslims | Al-Islam.org
and here: Institute of Islamic Banking and Insurance - Islamic Jurisprudence

Quite . . . but now the guy has had a

You seem to know a lot. Are you muzzie?

Ah, nice comeback . . . a muzzie . . . flattering.

So, anyone who can find easily obtainable information and facts that contradict your bigoted ramblings is a 'muzzie'.

Nice

[Black Heart]

The term 'muzzie' is a slang word. I don't consider it bigoted.

I am still waiting for the two concepts you have noted above relating to Ijtihad and fatwa.

[Black Heart]

Once again, the pro-islamic groups and also the defenders of islam play the "bigot card."

That's all by design. Islamic groups in the US have been advocating the "racializing" of the term "islam" and "muslim" for years.

It's working. If you criticize the violence in the Quran and islamic groups that are labelled "extremist" you are called a bigot.

If christians and christian groups were doing what ISIS and the Taliban were doing I would be judge as negative towards them.

Nice try.....

[rickschoppers]

^
It worked for the blacks in the US, why wouldn't it work for the muslims?

[panama hat]

The term 'muzzie' is a slang word. I don't consider it bigoted.

It worked for the blacks in the US, why wouldn't it work for the muslims?

yea, 'coon', 'nigger', 'wetback', 'kikes' are all fine with you two as well . . . no surprise

It's working. If you criticize the violence in the Quran and islamic groups that are labelled "extremist" you are called a bigot.

Nope, only if you are disingenuous enough to highlight one and disregard the other, trying to make your point.

That is, by definition, bigotry.