Thread: How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

RT says Vlad is goody two shoes.

Now there's a fucking shocker.

Wow It's useless to even bring points up which is true to your attention as I can see you are so narrow minded or bought by some elite news media or Soros (no I take that back you not that valuable) You act like you are def or blind to all the facts which are known to the whole world except you? It's great to live in dark and for sure in your beliefs and never have to adventure out to the true world. You deserve no freedom because you do not need one. Ignorance is a bliss for sure. Why are you here at all? What would be the reason for you to be involved with this debate? Other than being a troll. You have no knowledge of anything just saying the same thing all over and over and over again you are just here without any facts to back it up!

Originally Posted by global

Wow It's useless to even bring points up which is true to your attention as I can see you are so narrow minded or bought by some elite news media or Soros (no I take that back you not that valuable) You act like you are def or blind to all the facts which are known to the whole world except you? It's great to live in dark and for sure in your beliefs and never have to adventure out to the true world. You deserve no freedom because you do not need one. Ignorance is a bliss for sure. Why are you here at all? What would be the reason for you to be involved with this debate? Other than being a troll. You have no knowledge of anything just saying the same thing all over and over and over again you are just here without any facts to back it up!

Oooo another one who likes jerking off over vlad's topless pics.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Oooo another one who likes jerking off over vlad's topless pics.

How wholehearted from Harry to mourn a death of crook after some 10 years....

Originally Posted by Klondyke

How wholehearted from Harry to mourn a death of crook after some 10 years....

Has your village noticed its idiot is missing?

Perhaps the righteous Harry is not aware of the fact that the many investigations brought no evidence for his (and others) insinuation (but who cares?)

Similarly, also the death of dr. David Kelly - who wanted avert the Iraq war - was never clarified. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_...eapons_expert)

But also not so hugely publicized again and again despite his importance uncomparable with a death of a traitor and deserter
(What others say about traitors: Trump: 'We're tired of Sgt. Bergdahl, who's a traitor, a no-good traitor, who should have been executed,' Trump said to cheers at a rally in a Vegas theater
Read more: Donald Trump says Bowe Bergdahl should have been EXECUTED for desertion | Daily Mail Online

I have compiled few facts (out of many) that to somebody seem be off topis (as usually is the excuse for a deletion), however, they show what enormous crooks are some people connected to the Litvinenko's death. And all those are well connected and well protected by establishment (and admired by some - please no name... )

After Litvinenko's death, traces of polonium-210 were found in an office of Berezovsky.[124] Litvinenko had visited Berezovsky's office as well as many other places in the hours after his poisoning.[125] The British Health Protection Agency made extensive efforts to ensure that locations Litvinenko visited and anyone who had contact with Litvinenko after his poisoning, were not at risk.[126]

Russian prosecutors were not allowed to investigate the office.[127] Russian authorities have also been unable to question Berezovsky. The Foreign Ministry complained that Britain was obstructing its attempt to send prosecutors to London to interview more than 100 people, including Berezovsky.[128]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Litvinenko

An alternative theory – that the murder was orchestrated by Berezovsky with the aim of "framing" the Russian government and discrediting it on the global stage – has been aired in the Russian state-funded media,[200] by Lugovoy,[201] by Litvinenko's Italy-based father[202] and by Russian officials. Russian State-funded media continue to report the claims e.g. "'Berezovsky killed my son', Litvinenko's dad tells Scotland Yard"[202] as of May 2012.

Boris Abramovich Berezovsky (23 January 1946 – 23 March 2013)[8][9] was a Russian business oligarch, government official, engineer and mathematician. He was a member of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Berezovsky was politically opposed to the President of Russia Vladimir Putin since Putin's election in 2000 and remained a vocal critic of Putin for the rest of his life.[10] In late 2000, after the Russian Deputy Prosecutor General demanded that Berezovsky appear for questioning, he did not return from abroad and moved to the UK, which granted him political asylum in 2003.[11] In Russia he was later convicted in absentia of fraud and embezzlement. The first charges were brought during Primakov's government in 1999.[12] Despite an Interpol Red Notice for Berezovsky's arrest, Russia repeatedly failed to obtain the extradition of Berezovsky from Britain, which became a major point of diplomatic tension between the two countries.[13][14][15]

Berezovsky made his fortune in Russia in the 1990s when the country went through privatization of state property.[16] He profited from gaining control over various assets, including the country's main television channel, Channel One. In 1997 Forbes magazine estimated Berezovsky's wealth at US$3 billion.[17] He was at the height of his power in the later Yeltsin years, when he was deputy secretary of Russia's security council, a friend of Boris Yeltsin's influential daughter Tatyana, and a member of the Yeltsin "family" (inner circle).

Persona non grata in Latvia since October 2005
Berezovsky conducted business with Neil Bush, the younger brother of the US President George W. Bush. Berezovsky was an investor in Bush's Ignite! Learning, an educational software corporation, since at least 2003. In 2005, Neil Bush met with Berezovsky in Latvia, causing tension with Russia


Death of Badri Patarkatsishvili in February 2008
In the evening of Tuesday, 12 February 2008, Georgia's richest man, billionaire Arkady "Badri" Patarkatsishvili, a close friend and long-time business partner of Boris Berezovsky, collapsed and died in his bedroom after a family dinner at Downside Manor, his mansion in Leatherhead, Surrey, England, at the age of 52.[204]

Patarkatsishvili, who as a presidential candidate had also been campaigning to oust Georgia's President Mikhail Saakashvili, spent his last day in the City of London office of international law firm Debevoise and Plimpton, preparing his defence against allegations from the Georgian government that he had plotted a coup against Saakashvili. These allegations included plans to murder a government official and commit terrorist acts. At 4pm, the group was joined by Patarkatsishvili's public relations adviser Lord Tim Bell and by his close friend Boris Berezovsky.


High Court case against Abramovich
In 2011 Berezovsky brought a civil case against Roman Abramovich in the High Court of Justice in London, accusing Abramovich of blackmail, breach of trust and breach of contract, and seeking over £3 billion in damages.[23] This became the largest civil court case in British legal history.[158]

On 23 March 2013, Berezovsky was found dead at his home, Titness Park, at Sunninghill, near Ascot in Berkshire.[28] His body was found by a bodyguard in a locked bathroom, with a ligature around his neck.[211][212][213] His death was announced in a post on Facebook by his son-in-law. Alexander Dobrovinsky, a lawyer who had represented Berezovsky, wrote that he may have committed suicide,[214] adding that Berezovsky had fallen into debt after losing a protracted lawsuit against Roman Abramovich,

Following the inquest the coroner, Mr Peter Bedford, recorded an open verdict commenting, "I am not saying Mr Berezovsky took his own life, I am not saying Mr Berezovsky was unlawfully killed. What I am saying is that the burden of proof sets such a high standard it is impossible for me to say."

Apology to Putin
After Berezovsky's death, a spokesman for President Putin reported that he had sent a letter to the Russian president, asking for permission to return to Russia and asking "forgiveness for his mistakes."[223][224] Some of Berezovsky's associates doubted the letter's existence, claiming that it was out of character. However, his girlfriend at the time, Katerina Sabirova, later confirmed in an interview that he did in fact send the letter:[225]

"I said that they will publish it and you will look bad. And that it won’t help. He answered that it was all the same to him, that in any case all sins were blamed on him and that this was his only chance."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_..._(businessman)

Steinmeier: Berlin and Moscow must renew trust

German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier has called on Germany and Russia to "rebuild a minimum of trust." He's the first German head of state to visit Russia in seven years.

President Steinmeier met Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday for talks over Russo-German economic ties and the Ukraine and Syria conflicts.

"It's essential that we […] continue our dialog to try to improve our bilateral relations, the state of which we can't be happy about," Steinmeier told Putin at the start of talks.

Steinmeier, previously foreign minister, has long called for increased engagement with Moscow. Steinmeier's Social Democrats, which are expected to enter into the opposition after four years in a coalition government with Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservative CDU, want a gradual easing of EU sanctions on Moscow over its role in Ukraine.

"I come during times in which German-Russian relations have become difficult," Steinmeier said. "I see it as my responsibility to contribute to making sure that this doesn't last forever."

Read more:
Steinmeier: Berlin and Moscow must renew trust | News | DW | 25.10.2017

^The next few paragraph were interesting also. Hope to see these problems worked out.

Relations have been strained since Moscow's 2014 annexation of Ukraine's Crimean Peninsulaand subsequent support for separatists in eastern Ukraine.


Putin said after the meeting that they, too, had agreed on the need to implement a 2015 peace deal for eastern Ukraine, adding that he and Steinmeier had discussed possible deployment of a UN peacekeeping contingent in the east.


He added that the talks also focused on Syria, the Iranian nuclear deal and the situation in North Korea.


Steinmeier also launched a disarmament initiative he hopes will push Russia and the US to start talks about reducing conventional arsenals.

Originally Posted by misskit

Putin said after the meeting that they, too, had agreed on the need to implement a 2015 peace deal for eastern Ukraine, adding that he and Steinmeier had discussed possible deployment of a UN peacekeeping contingent in the east.

This has been already quite a long on the table, however, not everybody happy (who about?)

Russia drafts UN Security Council resolution to send peacekeepers to Ukraine
Published time: 5 Sep, 2017

Russia has introduced a draft resolution to the UN Security Council (UNSC) on the establishment of a UN mission that would provide security for Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) monitors working in eastern Ukraine, the Russian UN envoy, Vassily Nebenzia, told journalists.

Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the Foreign Ministry to submit the draft after voicing the idea at a press conference following the three-day BRICS summit in the Chinese city of Xiamen.

“I consider the presence of peacekeepers, or rather people who would provide security for the OSCE [Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe] mission, absolutely appropriate, and see nothing wrong with it,” the Russian leader said.

He went on to say that he believes that sending peacekeepers to the eastern part of Ukraine would “do good” for the conflict resolution, adding that he ordered the Russian Foreign Ministry to “submit a relevant resolution to the UN Security Council.”

At the same time, the president stressed that the potential UN mission should focus “solely on providing security for the OSCE officials,” and should operate only on the contact line between Kiev’s forces and the Donbas rebels.

Ukraine, however, was reluctant to support the Russian president’s initiative. Vladimir Aryev, a Ukrainian MP and the head of the Ukrainian delegation in the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE), said that the Ukrainian leadership generally supports the idea of sending peacekeepers to eastern Ukraine but rejects the format proposed by Russia.

“Putin’s statement concerning the necessity of coordinating the issue of UN peacekeepers’ deployment to Donbas with the [self-proclaimed People’s Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk] would de facto mean legalization of their network” in eastern Ukraine, he said, as cited by the press service of the Ukrainian president’s political party - the Petro Poroshenko Bloc Solidarity.

He said that Ukraine would “never agree to such a format,” adding that the UN mission should not include Russian military as it would be “legalization” of their alleged presence on Ukrainian territory.

https://www.rt.com/news/402094-russi...epers-ukraine/

Putin to Meet Iran’s Top Leaders in Tehran on Wednesday
1 November 2017

Russian President Vladimir Putin arrived in Tehran Wednesday for meetings with Iran’s top leaders as Moscow voices increasing criticism of U.S. President Donald Trump’s move away from the nuclear agreement with the Islamic Republic.

Putin will hold talks with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani and Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei that will focus on the nuclear issue and their cooperation in Syria, as well as economic ties, the Kremlin said in an emailed statement. He’ll also take part in a three-way summit between Russia, Iran and neighboring Azerbaijan.

“Iran wants Russia’s position to be more clear and supportive” over the nuclear pact, which is endangered by the U.S. stance, said Alexei Malashenko, a senior analyst at the Berlin-based Dialogue of Civilizations research group. They’re also likely to discuss Russia and Iran’s postwar balance of responsibilities in Syria, he said.

Trump last month disavowed the 2015 accord to curb Iran’s nuclear program that was negotiated between Tehran and the U.S., Russia, France, Germany, the U.K. and China. He accused Iran of violating the agreement multiple times, though he stopped short of abandoning the pact completely. All of the other participants, as well as inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency, say Iran is complying with the deal.

Russia has rejected Trump’s demand to renegotiate the deal. On Tuesday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that “unpredictable” U.S. behavior was an issue of grave concern, citing the refusal to uphold the Iranian agreement and threats to use force to resolve the crisis on the Korean peninsula.

Read more:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...nuclear-accord

Originally Posted by OhOh

^By all accounts a jolly time was had by all. Agreements signed, friendships cemented, future polices agreed.

Compare with ameristan government officials. In Singapore the ameristanis demanded ASEAN leaders should turn their backs against China.

The ASEAN leaders reaction was deciding to have joint military exercises with China. The Vietnamese have announced joint exercises with China. A snub or what?

Payback for cancelling TPP.

Stupid orange cunto.

Who prevented the Putin/Trump meeting in Vietnam?

At the 2017 APEC Summit, held between 10 – 11 November in Vietnam, a bilateral meeting between Presidents Putin and Trump was supposed to take place. Russia’s Press Secretary, Dmitry Peskov, stated that “while both sides were trying to organise the meeting, the United States offered a time and place that only suited them.”

"The only time proposed was that which suited the Americans, and they offered only one place - a room that was rented by the Americans," he said. Peskov reiterated that the last meeting of the Presidents, at the G20 in Hamburg, was held on American diplomatic territory, and, by diplomatic protocol, this time the meeting was supposed to take place on Russian diplomatic territory.

"The Americans showed no flexibility, and unfortunately no other alternative offers were provided, so the meeting could not take place," Putin's press secretary added.

Perhaps Vlad is embarrassed by all the fawning.

He needs to tell his blackmail team to dial it back a little.

Originally Posted by OhOh

The LORD embarrased, for what?

Kings, Princes and Presidents choose to honour him by showing, to their peers and the world, they are gratefull for his accomplishments and his acknowlegment of their prescence.

Only Uncle Xi stands head and shoulders above. Not that that is too difficult

*embarrassed

*grateful

*presence

I've always believed you have to be a bit thick to post all this shite.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if he decides to cut and run before people realise how much he has stashed away.

It is a heavy cross to carry but is there a Russian who can replace him. The article doesn't identify one.

Only time will tell.

Originally Posted by OhOh

It is a heavy cross to carry but is there a Russian who can replace him. The article doesn't identify one.

Only time will tell.

He'd better hope there isn't, because they'll probably want the money back.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

It wouldn't surprise me at all if he decides to cut and run before people realise how much he has stashed away.

You are just still the same fool and you will never change. Don't you see this will change the demographic of world politics not for the better but for the worst? You claiming you know how much Putin stashed away ...prove it? Clintons steal 100’s of millions front of the American people eyes if not more why not open your mouth about that? He has served his country well more then I can say about the Bushes (all the fails wars) and Obama (droning families and people) America (not the people of America) done more damage to the world than ten Putin could have. Don’t you get it?




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Originally Posted by global

You are just still the same fool and you will never change. Don't you see this will change the demographic of world politics not for the better but for the worst? You claiming you know how much Putin stashed away ...prove it? Clintons steal 100’s of millions front of the American people eyes if not more why not open your mouth about that? He has served his country well more then I can say about the Bushes (all the fails wars) and Obama (droning families and people) America (not the people of America) done more damage to the world than ten Putin could have. Don’t you get it?

Suck it up Buttercup.

He's a thief and a murderer, and he will get what's coming to him eventually.

Syria peace talks: Putin discusses political solution with Erdogan & Rouhani amid ISIS demise
Published time: 22 Nov, 2017

Russian President Vladimir Putin is holding a meeting in Sochi with his Turkish counterpart, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, and Hassan Rouhani of Iran to share their views on Syrian reconciliation. The three countries previously agreed to be guarantors of the Syrian peace process.
Welcoming his dignitary guests, Putin said the meeting comes at a crucial moment in the Syrian armed conflict, when there is an opportunity to end it.

“The militants in Syria have sustained a decisive blow, and now there is a realistic chance to end the multiyear civil war,” he said. This would require giving the Syrians a period of peace, during which they would be able to settle their differences, Putin added. This will require compromise by all parties in Syria, both the government and the rebels, he stressed.

Rouhani said that the crisis in Syria has been exacerbated from the start and seriously prolonged by the foreign meddling, including “supplying and arming and other forms of support of militant groups. These consequently formed the core of the terrorist groups Islamic State and Al-Nusra Front.”

Erdogan said the three nations had already helped in resolving the situation in Syria to a large degree through the so-called ‘Astana process’ – several rounds of negotiations sponsored by Russia, Iran and Turkey and hosted by Kazakhstan. “But we don’t consider this result sufficient and believe that all stakeholders must put effort into a political resolution of the conflict, which the Syrian people would accept,” he added.

The summit comes just days after a surprise meeting between Putin and Syrian President Bashar Assad, who unexpectedly visited Sochi on Monday. Assad, whose forces have been fighting terrorists in Syria since 2011, said that it was due to Russian support that Syria still existed as a state.

Previously, Putin also held telephone conversations with US President Donald Trump and Saudi King Salman bin Abdulaziz. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said that Moscow and Washington had reached “a fairly sustainable cooperation” on Syria, though there were “huge problems in condemning terrorists and extremists.”

https://www.rt.com/news/410582-putin...i-syria-talks/

If this man will shake his hand maybe Putin isn't so bad after all...

Originally Posted by SKkin

If this man will shake his hand maybe Putin isn't so bad after all...

Don't see why, Solzhenitsyn was a rabid anti-communist and a nationalistic prick.

Like two peas out of the same pod, except Vlad is the better thief.