Thread: A Good Idea!

Personally myself I think that this is a good idea,Why should'nt some one who is receiving more in benefits than the national minimum wage do a bit of worth while work for the community? back there in Manchester were I came from the place was rife with work shy loafers with many doing cash in hand jobs in the black economy ,and from what my 3 kids have told me little has changed , Society is keeping these people ,its way overdue that they paid society back!Pick up litter for your dole: Long-term unemployed would also clean up graffiti or cook for the elderly in Tory 'work for benefits' crackdown | Mail Online

Terrific idea. As a Yank, I've always believed that America's fat, spoiled young should have to do two years of some sort of national service between high school and college/real employment. Might teach the slackers something. I think ANYONE receiving welfare or food stamps should have do do community service, depending on how much they're gouging the working taxpayer for - if they are stealing $890 a month, that should be divided by the minimum wage to compute how many hours of community service they must complete - BEFORE getting their check. Fucking fat slackers. Being unemployed and living off my tax dollar sure doesn't keep them out of McDonalds - or from all smoking.

Australia tried a work for the dole scheme, IIRC it was menial work such as trash collecting, charity work or vocational training.
It didnt work and was tossed out on some legal pretext.
Main problem was the dole is below minimum wage.

Originally Posted by Necron99

Australia tried a work for the dole scheme, IIRC it was menial work such as trash collecting, charity work or vocational training.
It didnt work and was tossed out on some legal pretext.
Main problem was the dole is below minimum wage.

I can assure you Necron in many cases people like this displayed in the link are quite common , My BIL who has worked and paid into the system all his working life until he retired 3 years ago receives far far less than the unmarried couple with 2 young kids who have never worked since they came living there 2 years ago ! ITV This Morning: Couple living off £17k handouts say working for the minimum wage is unfair | Mail Online

Originally Posted by nigelandjan

Its a bloody stupid idea as it depraves people of work by introducing free labour into the market .

In my opinion ALL benefits should just be stopped , then there would be NO unemployment .

BTW you mention your 3 kids back home ,, as someone who has paid over £640000 in tax during my working life and claimed sweet FA , I would be interested to know if any benefits were ever claimed by your ex ?

My dear wife of 42 years sadly passed away March 16 2003 .

I think Germany, or at least Bavaria, already has this scheme. I think they manage it by adding a nominal 1 Euro/day top-up to the benefits.

Would be nice to see it in place in the UK as well.

Almost forgot. Instead of having their welfare, food stamp, and other benefits INCREASED for each bastard child these welfare whores drop, I think their benefits should be cut, significantly, each time they breed. Maybe by 50% for the first breeding, than game over after they drop the second. Would certainly cut down the numbers in the next generation of welfare cheats.

Well I'm sorry to hear that mate ,, I got hold of the wrong end of the stick , apologies .

BUT this is a real bugbear of mine , as my eldest son has been recently told by his now ex he is no longer loved so she kicked him out the house .

They have 3 kids together and now she lives in a 4 bedroomed detached house claiming over £2000 a month in benefits , it pisses me off as well the fact that HE dosent seem to have to pay for it either !

The main issues in Oz I remember were the quality of labor (shit), the effective creation of government companies undercutting commercial services and the high overall cost of managing the scheme. In the end a large portion of the work was essentially useless makework where they turn up, stand around doing not much and then go home.

Comparing a single retiree to a couple with two kids is not really valid as a large component of their benefit is child support.

Originally Posted by nigelandjan

Well I'm sorry to hear that mate ,, I got hold of the wrong end of the stick , apologies .

BUT this is a real bugbear of mine , as my eldest son has been recently told by his now ex he is no longer loved so she kicked him out the house .

They have 3 kids together and now she lives in a 4 bedroomed detached house claiming over £2000 a month in benefits , it pisses me off as well the fact that HE dosent seem to have to pay for it either !

Yeah Ian 4th March 1961 until I lost her 16 March 2003 , we had intended to retire here as she just loved Thailand but fate dealt her a bad hand, never mind the 42 wonderful years and the memories are priceless and I count myself very lucky indeed , and thanks for the apology but its no big deal cos how was you to know, getting back to your son ,it would appear that the "law" is very much on the womens side in many cases like this ,as I know of 2 back there which are very similar . what a bummer eh!.

Originally Posted by Necron99

Australia tried a work for the dole scheme, IIRC it was menial work such as trash collecting, charity work or vocational training.
It didnt work and was tossed out on some legal pretext.
Main problem was the dole is below minimum wage.

It may be for a 40 hour week, but if they at least had 20 hours and it would leave time for them to look for a real job.

Originally Posted by Necron99

Australia tried a work for the dole scheme, IIRC it was menial work such as trash collecting, charity work or vocational training.
It didnt work and was tossed out on some legal pretext.
Main problem was the dole is below minimum wage.

Although if you added all the different benefits up , housing benefits and everything else , you could take that figure and then work out how many hours they can work .
For example : If they receive $500 per week benefits , minimum wage is $10, which means that are legally allowed to work 50 hours per week

Surely entitlement should be capped at, say, two-thirds of minimum wage. There should be no way for people on social security to have a better life than those in work.

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

Surely entitlement should be capped at, say, two-thirds of minimum wage. There should be no way for people on social security to have a better life than those in work.

The Nail on the head Thorma, the nail on the head !

Also a rumour going round to make them go to the dole office everyday they will complain no money for bus fare.
Walk and pick litter up on the way then.

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

They have capped benefits at 26,000 pounds a year

in other words more than these people get for a full-time job:

Prison service officers (below principal officer) £25,846

Don't tell them or there might be more than just an overcrowding problem in HM Prisons.....and the government wonders why people strike.

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

They have capped benefits at 26,000 pounds a year

in other words more than these people get for a full-time job:

Prison service officers (below principal officer) £25,846

Don't tell them or there might be more than just an overcrowding problem in HM Prisons.....and the government wonders why people strike.

Another nail on the head Thermo , my my thats two today ,keep up the good work!

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

They have capped benefits at 26,000 pounds a year but as that is tax free then it takes it to around 36,000 a year before tax. far too high as there are many people working hard all week who pay tax to make sure someone who refuses to work gets more money than they do for busting their balls all week.
How can anyone possibly defend this ?
As said the maximum benefit you should receive is just below the minimum wage so taking a job always makes you better off than not working.
sadly the lefty, communist labour and Lib Dem parties won't condone such action as that is their voter base.
they tried to make the workshy scroungers do two weeks work experience and it was challenged by some spotty little Oick who refused to get a proper job as being against her precious human rights. As usual the Government capitulated so if they can't get them to do two weeks work how do they expect them to get them to work full time ?

26,000 clear a year is to my way of thinking a huge incentive to sit on your arse all day

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Texpat would have a Field Day with this topic.

Originally Posted by beazalbob69

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

They have capped benefits at 26,000 pounds a year but as that is tax free then it takes it to around 36,000 a year before tax. far too high as there are many people working hard all week who pay tax to make sure someone who refuses to work gets more money than they do for busting their balls all week.
How can anyone possibly defend this ?
As said the maximum benefit you should receive is just below the minimum wage so taking a job always makes you better off than not working.
sadly the lefty, communist labour and Lib Dem parties won't condone such action as that is their voter base.
they tried to make the workshy scroungers do two weeks work experience and it was challenged by some spotty little Oick who refused to get a proper job as being against her precious human rights. As usual the Government capitulated so if they can't get them to do two weeks work how do they expect them to get them to work full time ?

26,000 clear a year is to my way of thinking a huge incentive to sit on your arse all day

Too bad I couldn't figure out how to get that and live in Thailand. I would be living comfortably! Sadly I have worked continuously since I was 15 only ending up still relatively poor and burnt out at 39. I said "fuck that" and left. Let the other schmucks work their asses off to pay for the slackers I am done.

Yeah BB69 One guy in my area in his early 40s said the same as you , he had a nice house back there and sold it for a pretty penny and says he's enough to live on till he's about 110! , my Sons 47 and he's selling up in 3 years time and coming here cos he's had a belly full too.