Thread: Military intervention in Syria

haha... this is old news... whenever anyone from the obama regime travels to israel, to do something about palestine negotations, israel announces xxx new settlements...

dunno about kerry, but biden was probably even worse fucked there...

when "israel" - the current government with netanyaha - REALLY DISLIKES, possibly even HATES, anyone most on this planet - then its OBAMA !

obama is (officially) NOT considered a "friend of israel"...

Originally Posted by alitongkat

obama is (officially) NOT considered a "friend of israel"

Not all by any means, not even most- but a whole load of Israeli's need to get out of this ghetto mentality. There are many well meaning people out there 'rootin' for them, who are just lambasted and abused. Sometimes I wonder if Israel deserves it's friends.

^ if you hv a friend like Israel u don't need enemies

Originally Posted by Butterfly

can we safely says that Obama has jumped the gun and has become a total loon ?

Too soon to tell.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

maybe Obama real plan is to destroy America political influence in the world so it will stop any future war on false pretense with phony dictators like GW Bush

A photo-illustration from the Facebook page of the al-Aqsa Islamic Brigades, a faction of the opposition Free Syrian Army fighting to topple Syrian President Bashar Assad, shows Islamic fighters marching away from a burning U.S. Capitol.

Not one of 'bad guys,' but Syrian rebel group proclaims 'anti-American' bent - Investigations


Dear old mum used to to tell me you can judge someone by the friends they choose.

"We are sending assault weapons to rebels in Syria to confront a regime that does not represent them."

So who else would that include? Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Columbia, Venezuela, Bolivia, Peru, Chile, Cuba, Sri Lanka, Somalia, Nigeria, endless support for "Rebels?"

Would he mind shipping me a few? I have a regime in mind, but I currently am without arms support...

Tried to green ya, but still cannot....

Some human shields to rain a bit of free-dem on-

Syria: western activists volunteer to become 'human shields'

Hundreds of western peace activists, including from Britain and from the US, have volunteered to become "human shields" in government-held parts of Syria, the Daily Telegraph has learned.
Syria: western activists volunteer to become 'human shields' - Telegraph

Jobs for bounty hunters-

Syria offers bounty for foreign "terrorists"

For the first time in Syria's 2-1/2 year conflict, the government is offering a bounty to anyone who captures a foreign "terrorist" - the word authorities use for rebels fighting to topple President Bashar al-Assad.

In a brief statement on Syrian television, authorities said they would give 500,000 Syrian pounds to anyone who brought in a "non-Syrian terrorist" and 200,000 pounds to anyone who gave information on their whereabouts or helped apprehend them.

The pound officially trades at 128 to the dollar, but the black market rate stands is about 200 to the dollar.
Syria offers bounty for foreign "terrorists"

Good pay, but the conditions are atrocious.

is that someone riding a camel in front of the capitol ?

Originally Posted by sabang

A photo-illustration from the Facebook page of the al-Aqsa Islamic Brigades, a faction of the opposition Free Syrian Army fighting to topple Syrian President Bashar Assad, shows Islamic fighters marching away from a burning U.S. Capitol.

Take away the Arabic script and add a few hundred pounds to the protesters and it looks like your run of the mill tea bagger poutrage meeting.

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Butterfly

can we safely says that Obama has jumped the gun and has become a total loon ?

Too soon to tell.

If we're all not nuked in the next 3 years due to Obama's 'Smart Diplomacy', do you think you'll have a handle on whether or not he's a loon by then?

We all know that Kerry is responsible for this mess,

but why is Obama following that idiot ? Kerry is a stupid attention whore, and his dangerous needs for attention is taking this whole administration down, and Obama legacy with it.

he should fire the fucker now before it's too late, and do a "mea culpa" live on TV and ask for the American public forgiveness

Republicans and Democrats produce the very same policies, and the people who feel they are liberals and the conservatives are played off against each other in pointless squabbles.

It will be interesting to see how the House members vote. So far, only a few have expressed an opinion.

The Democrats have historically been the ones to vote against war, but this time could vote for it to bolster the President. Republicans have always been the hawks, but have the Teabaggers telling them if they vote with the President, they won't be re-elected. It is disgusting that any of them are voting along party lines and not as their constituents wish.

My Representative has two Air Force bases within his area. He is always whining that the Federal government is cutting back on armed forces and hurting his constituents. He has always been a hawk, but he's a Republican and hates anything Obama. I wait to see if he has been transformed into a peacenik and votes against war.

Personally, I hope Obama gets shot down by Congress and leaves Syria to sort out its own mess.

Originally Posted by sabang

A photo-illustration from the Facebook page of the al-Aqsa Islamic Brigades, a faction of the opposition Free Syrian Army fighting to topple Syrian President Bashar Assad, shows Islamic fighters marching away from a burning U.S. Capitol.

Not one of 'bad guys,' but Syrian rebel group proclaims 'anti-American' bent - Investigations


Dear old mum used to to tell me you can judge someone by the friends they choose.

Surely they are a Palestinian group. I bet the Isreali's consider them "bad boys".

Looks like they've taken a time out from attacking Israel and Jews to take a busman's holiday in Syria! And they'll probably take any useable weapons and ammo back to the Gaza strip!!

“The question is, why are politicians so eager to be president? What is it about the job that makes it worth revealing, on national television, that you have the ethical standards of a slime-coated piece of industrial waste?”

Dave Barry, american writer and humorist



Agree that US citizens should be badgering their representatives for a 'No' vote.

Incidentally, shouldn't almost all citizens be anti-war and if so, what possibly could give their government the right to override national opinion on such an important issue?

Of course when opinion itself has failed to be voiced strongly enough, it generally falls on deaf ears where governments are concerned. Americans, the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution stands before you.

You are thinking of the 'Al Aqsa martyrs brigade', which is a secular terrorist organisation in Palestine, ie non-fundamentalist- they even had christians in it. Don't believe these guys are the same- "al Aqsa' itself is the name of the 3rd holiest site in islam, so pretty generic.

Well, they're on Facebook and Youtube so they can't be that bad can they? https://www.facebook.com/KtybtAlaqsy

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

Agree that US citizens should be badgering their representatives for a 'No' vote.

Constituents have been contacting reps and the "nays" are ahead.

I just read a generic CBS news article that the vote will take place "next week."

Syria chemical arms: 'Global red line' crossed - Kerry



Mr Kerry (left) met Arab foreign ministers at the US embassy in Paris


US Secretary of State John Kerry says he and Arab League foreign ministers have agreed that the Syrian president's alleged use of chemical weapons had crossed a "global red line".

Mr Kerry, speaking in Paris, is in Europe to muster support for action against President Bashar al-Assad.

"Assad's deplorable use of chemical weapons crosses an international, global red line," he said.

The Arab countries are divided on the question of military strikes on Syria.

The BBC's Hugh Schofield reports from Paris that some like Saudi Arabia and Qatar are in favour while others like Syria's neighbours Jordan and Lebanon are far more cautious, worried about the conflict spreading across their borders.

The US accuses Mr Assad's forces of killing 1,429 people in a sarin gas attack on 21 August.

Mr Assad's government blames the attack on rebels fighting to overthrow him in the country's two-and-a-half-year civil war, which has claimed some 100,000 lives, according to UN estimates.

There are reports that rebel forces have taken control of the historic Christian town of Maalula, north of Damascus.

Abdel Rahman, the director of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based activist group, told the AFP news agency that troops loyal to Mr Assad had withdrawn form the area.


'No military solution'

Mr Kerry was speaking at a news conference after meeting Arab League foreign ministers.

Referring to Mr Assad's regional allies in Lebanon and Iran, Mr Kerry said: "It is clear that if we don't take action, the message to Hezbollah, Iran, Assad will be that nobody cares that you have broken this 100-year-old standard."
Syria's chemical weapons

• The CIA believes Syria has had a chemical weapons programme "for years and already has a stockpile of CW agents which can be delivered by aircraft, ballistic missile, and artillery rockets"
• Syria is believed to possess mustard gas and sarin, a highly toxic nerve agent
• The CIA also believes that Syria has attempted to develop more toxic and more persistent nerve agents, such as VX gas
• A report citing Turkish, Arab and Western intelligence agencies put Syria's stockpile at approximately 1,000 tonnes of chemical weapons, stored in 50 towns and cities
• Syria has not signed the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) or ratified the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention (BTWC)

Syria's civil war, he said, was going to require a political solution.

"We have repeated and I repeat every time I stand up and talk about it - there is no military solution," Mr Kerry continued.

"What we are seeking is to enforce the standard with respect to the use of chemical weapons."

He said that all the Arab League foreign ministers at the meeting had agreed without exception that the use of chemical weapons had crossed "an international global red line".

The Paris meeting was arranged some time ago primarily so discuss the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.

On that issue, Mr Kerry said Israel and the Palestinians are "steadfast and determined" in their commitment to talks and a two-state solution.

He said he intended to meet Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu "shortly".

Israeli and Palestinian negotiators restarted peace talks on 14 August in Jerusalem under US mediation, after a gap of nearly three years.

As part of the process, Israel agreed to release dozens of long-serving Palestinian prisoners while the Palestinians were expected to refrain from upgrading their membership of UN agencies.

However, the construction of new settler homes in the West Bank and East Jerusalem has dogged the negotiations.

www.bbc.co.uk


Talking about a 'Red Line Crossed' and convincing arab leaders in the same breath that a US air strike against Syria is necessary is purely subjective. Who is Kerry trying to kid?

Has any US Secretary of State ever been the subject of an assassination?

The German press are stating that Assad did not order any chemical attacks even though officers in his army had been asking and been turned down for months. So could have been a rogue officer, so are the Americans just going to bomb him then? Nah its all out regime change now as usual.

German reports: Assad did not order chemical attacks

Bashar al-Assad has repeatedly refused to give his military commanders permission to use chemical weapons, according to German newspapers citing intelligence reports, writes Mark Rice-Oxley.

German newspapers reported intriguing radio messages picked up by a German spyship, the Oker, which is in the eastern Mediterranean.
Bild am Sonntag reported that Assad did not approve the 21 August attack that killed hundreds in east Damascus and prompted the threat of western retaliation.
Bild reported that Syrian commanders have been seeking clearance for use of chemical weapons for four months.

Syrian brigade and division commanders had been asking the Presidential Palace to allow them to use chemical weapons for the last four-and-a-half months, according to radio messages intercepted by German spies, but permission had always been denied, the Bild am Sonntag paper said.
This could mean Assad may not have personally approved the attack close to Damascus on 21 August in which more than 1,400 are estimated to have been killed, intelligence officers suggested.
Germany's foreign intelligence agency (BND) could not be reached for comment.
Bild said the radio traffic was intercepted by a German naval reconnaissance vessel, the Oker, sailing close to the Syrian coast.

Syria crisis: Kerry says videos make the case for intervention - live updates | World news | theguardian.com

Jeez the Americans have a fekking cheek considering there use of CW in the past.