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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
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    Still waiting for a single shred of evidence from the combined might of the US & EU and their presstitutes that the Syrian Army committed this atrocity
    Exclusive: Intercepted Calls Prove Syrian Army Used Nerve Gas, U.S. Spies Say | The Cable
    I saw that but am not sure if I believe it or not going on previous American intel which stated that Iraq had WMD's and was in with Al Qaeda and had bought yellow cake from Africa all of which turned out to be lies. That and the fact it was exclusively released thru a rightwing website foreignpolicy.com and its author is with the rigthwing American think tank Brookings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick
    Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    DOES OBAMA KNOW HE'S FIGHTING ON AL-QAEDA'S SIDE?
    And they are laughing their arses off

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    Can't blame the US and Israel for everything this time, there are many players with an agenda of their own. France is one, still building her Meditteranean empire of client states.

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    Syria: Would foreign intervention be legal?

    By Clive Coleman Legal correspondent, BBC News




    The Kosovo intervention in 1999 was justified by humanitarian concerns

    Syria conflict



    The words "international law" convey the sense of a set of established international rules and authorities agreed by all nations, and easily understood and applied by them.

    Sadly that is far from the case, and in practice, it is difficult, if not impossible, to get definitive rulings in international law involving military intervention. There is no international court on hand to give the legal go-ahead to intervene.

    However, there is a developing legal framework for military intervention on humanitarian grounds.

    Known as the Responsibility to Protect, or R2P, it was born out of the humanitarian disasters of the 1990s in Kosovo and Rwanda.

    It is widely but not universally accepted and has three principal elements:
    • States must protect their own populations from genocide, war crimes, ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity, while, simultaneously, the international community has an obligation to help states prevent such crimes
    • Where there is strong evidence of these crimes and a state cannot or will not stop them, the international community should exhaust all peaceful means in seeking to bring the atrocity to an end
    • If all that is done, and fails, the international community can use military force
    In order to have maximum legitimacy, military intervention should be authorised by the UN Security Council. It holds a unique position as the primary arbiter on the use of force in international law.

    However, as in the case of Syria, it may be hamstrung by a lack of consensus, with one or more members opposed to action.


    'Coalition of the willing'

    In these situations, according to one view, R2P provides a legal framework for the international community to use military force as a last resort - either by way of a regional coalition or a so-called "coalition of the willing".


    There are a number of safeguards in R2P:
    • There needs to be powerful evidence of an ongoing atrocity
    • Peaceful measures, such as diplomacy and sanctions, must have been exhausted
    • Any force used must be specifically targeted at stopping the atrocity and protecting the civilian population
    In other words, it is a limited power to act. However, if all of the criteria are met, then the limited and targeted use of military force would be legal in international law under R2P, some lawyers and commentators believe.

    Ultimately though, military interventions in these circumstances are up to governments rather than lawyers.

    It is for them to make the case for military intervention by showing that the legal requirements have been met.

    In the case of Syria, they will argue that there is an ongoing atrocity, all peaceful means of stopping it have been exhausted, and that targeted military action could achieve the twin goals of ending the atrocity and protecting the civilian population.

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    good info licky

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick View Post
    and in practice, it is difficult, if not impossible, to get definitive rulings in international law involving military intervention.
    Thats bollocks. You can only legally attack someone if they attack you first or you have a UN resolution from the Security council authorising military action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by david44 View Post
    good info licky
    Has anything been reported that would put this on the same level as Bosnia/Kosovo in 1999?

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    I still say let them work it out themselves... UNLESS he starts gassing civilians on a huge and genocidal scale... then bomb the fucker.... a few hundred people is hardly genocide.

    These people in the middle east for the most part either want to have free and representative governments or they are happy being walked on by dictators. It's their choice! Either way let them gain their own freedom maybe they will appreciate it more in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by david44 View Post
    good info licky
    Has anything been reported that would put this on the same level as Bosnia/Kosovo in 1999?
    Have you ever been there ? I was 7 years ago. It was depressing and shocking. Glad I went but holy fuck. Every building in Sariavo was shelled. Every single building

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick View Post
    and in practice, it is difficult, if not impossible, to get definitive rulings in international law involving military intervention.
    Thats bollocks. You can only legally attack someone if they attack you first or you have a UN resolution from the Security council authorising military action.
    Like the US had against Iraq. Resolution 1441

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    Quote Originally Posted by socal View Post
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    good info licky
    Has anything been reported that would put this on the same level as Bosnia/Kosovo in 1999?
    Have you ever been there ? I was 7 years ago. It was depressing and shocking. Glad I went but holy fuck. Every building in Sariavo was shelled. Every single building
    Nope, never been there. Personally I'd rather just let them sort out their own problems. But, how can Obama and Cameron avoid marching down the same path Blair and Clinton lead us down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper View Post
    [how can Obama and Cameron avoid marching down the same path Blair and Clinton lead us down?


    You voted for him...twice.

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    ^The End is Near...I can see the Armageddon folks quaying up for their last meals.

    The Messiah, the devil and destruction from fire and brimstone...emanating from the Middle East and spreading across the world in the final days...have the trumpets sounded in your neighborhood yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt
    The Messiah, the devil and destruction from fire and brimstone...emanating from the Middle East and spreading across the world in the final days.
    i dont want anyone coming to harm, but to see THIS - boy, i would love...


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    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt View Post
    ^The End is Near...I can see the Armageddon folks quaying up for their last meals.

    The Messiah, the devil and destruction from fire and brimstone...emanating from the Middle East and spreading across the world in the final days...have the trumpets sounded in your neighborhood yet?

    Let me check my mother's Facebook wall ...

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    Most disturbing is that the actions of the West and Israel in Syria finally achieved that Al Queda got their hands on chemical weapons. Expect an attack on a Western target soon, and politicians acting at a loss how this could ever happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainfall
    and politicians acting at a loss how this could ever happen.
    Its not an act, they are just stupid naturally. That's why we vote for them.

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    Pertinent point

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainfall View Post
    Most disturbing is that the actions of the West and Israel in Syria finally achieved that Al Queda got their hands on chemical weapons. Expect an attack on a Western target soon, and politicians acting at a loss how this could ever happen.
    Sadly the victims are of little to concern to those who seek arm and promote wars

    You know the names they are probably part of your employers pension portfolio
    Grumman
    Boeing BAE Rolls Royce the mask body bag makers the Shell factories the coffin makers oh yes lots of folks will make more the more death occurs

    While oil hikes will harm the cyclist of Esaan and Burma living on packet noodles
    the fat cat oil speculators ,derivitive spivs and their arbitrageurs will all rejoice.

    guess who will get the rebuild contracts
    Russia went from being 2nd strongest army in the world to being the 2nd strongest in Ukraine

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    You do realise that Bashar Assad was being downright praised by the west
    Yes... I think a similar about-face took place with ol' Sadam... maybe a few snaps with an American White House official shaking hands with Assad would really shock the folks.

    That is if they haven't been paying attention for the past few thousand years...

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    So this strike is not only unpopular with conservatives and with independents, but also with his Democratic base.

    So how can a president start a war his base is opposed to?

    Simple: Just don't tell anybody.

    "With military action against Syria set to begin within hours, according to reports, President Barack Obama and his administration are determining what legal route to take in order to justify the attack. According to NBC News White House reporter Chuck Todd, the administration is leery of seeking Congressional support for a mission in Syria because Congress many decline to bless such an operation. Now, according to reports from POLITICO’s Glenn Thrush, Obama may seek to avoid the American people as well.

    Thrush reported on Wednesday that, based on his conversations with aides to the president, Obama will not address the American people about the mission in Syria before hostilities commence. Thrush reports that Obama’s advisors believe addressing Americans from the gravity of the Oval Office or the East Room is “passé.” Furthermore, most Americans who care about the mission in Syria will learn the logic behind it from cable news."

    Ain't that just duckie...
    A Deplorable Bitter Clinger

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    Oil Price about to shoot up I fancy....

    Syria: Russia Ships 'Bound For Mediterranean'
    Syria: Russia Ships 'Bound For Mediterranean'
    Last Updated: 10:52AM 29/08/2013
    Russia is to send an anti-submarine ship and a missile cruiser to the Mediterranean, according to Russian news agency Interfax.
    An armed forces source reportedly said the planned deployment was in response to the "well-known situation" - a clear reference to the conflict in Syria.
    The navy has denied the deployment is linked to events in Syria, saying it is part of a planned rotation of its ships in the Mediterranean.
    Russia is strongly against any military intervention in Syria, with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov believing it would seriously destabilise the region.
    Mr Lavrov has said any attack without UN Security Council approval would be a "crude violation" of international law.
    The warship reports come after US President Barack Obama said the US had studied evidence and concluded that the Syrian government was behind the alleged attack.
    The President said any strike would be to "send a shot across the bow" and give a "pretty strong signal that [Syria] better not do it again".
    He added that the US had not yet made a firm decision about how to respond, but that it could take action even without the backing of allies or the United Nations.
    A draft resolution by the UK on authorising a strike failed to win the approval of the UN Security Council on Wednesday as Russia reiterated its objections.
    China has also entered the discussion and warned the West against any military action.
    "China calls on all parties to exercise restraint and remain calm and to remain committed to the correct track of political solutions," Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said.
    British involvement in any strike will be debated today by politicians in the House of Commons.
    Meanwhile, United Nations weapons inspectors set out on Thursday morning for the Damascus suburbs in a third day of investigations.
    UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has pleaded for all sides to hold off on any military strikes.
    He said his inspection team would soon finish its investigation, leaving Syria on Friday and reporting their findings to him the following day.
    Last week's alleged chemical attack is claimed to have killed 1,300 people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal
    Did the Assyrians offer help in 1644?
    is that BC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primo
    This Syria gig is all about Iran and the strategic/economic interests of the west,i
    hits the nail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    Ain't that just duckie..
    So far my favorite derp on all of this is something like: "Obama should be instantly impeached if he sends the boys off to war in Syria without congressional approval but if they DID go to war in Syria they'd find all of Saddam's WMDs which would instantly vindicate George W. Bush."

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    ^^^

    ya... If we find the WMD's in Syria we will know they are Saddam's because they all would all have the "made is USA" sticker on them... along with the receipt from the Reagan administration lackey Donald Rumsfeld.

    that's why rummy knew they were there! He sold them to him!

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