Thread: Reasons Citizens Should Own Guns

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

You really think this story is true? It's as true as any of his rubbish SAS/Green Beret/GSG9/PhD/Big-Game Hunter/ etc etc etc . . . he is a sad old git who has to big himself on an internet forum.

Having said that, he clearly is not a fool and writes very well . . . for a seppo!

One of his oddities is that he professes to be a fervent Buddhist who dreams of murdering 15% of he population, fantasises about shooting people in his home, happilly regales us with stories of hunting and killing animals like in some Wilbur Smith novel and professes to be a martial arts double first dan blackbelt who starts fights . . . and then says his instructors would be proud of him.

Sad, sad, sad

He then posts a photo of himself carrying a gun looking like an absolute wimp . . . which he then puts down to kidney transplants or similar . . .

Okie,

I post only true anecdotes about my life experiences.

If you want I could post pictures of me with dead animals I have killed (bear, cape buff, and elephant), but it wouldn't do any good.

I could also post pictures of me in combat with bodies, helicopters, and automatic weapons in hand, but again that wouldn't matter.

I could post pictures of minute-of-angle shot groups at 400 yards, but again that wouldn't matter.

I could post pictures (and video's) of me breaking multiple concrete blocks with a single punch while wearing my black-belt Taekwon Do uniform, but that wouldn't matter.

I could post pictures of sparring trophies I have won in karate tournaments, but that wouldn't matter.

The fact is, that on this forum all you do is post inane comments criticizing others, without every offering any real logic or rational thoughts.

I am beginning to believe that you really don't have much of a life. Perhaps the reason you never believe what other people post, is that you have spent a lifetime making up things?

I have asked you to provide some detail about your life, your job, and your accomplishments, but you always refuse.

Either your self-esteem is too low to withstand forum criticism, or you haven't really accomplished anything in your life. Perhaps it is both.

So once again, either put up or shut up.

RickThai

Originally Posted by RickThai

Originally Posted by Morden

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I think that your story and claim that two thugs recognised you as a tough guy is twaddle. You give your version to reinforce your sad self-image.

Once again Morden, you are so completely and utterly wrong!

What do you do for a living? I hope you are better at that, then you are at discerning truth from fiction.

RickThai

Come on Ricky boy, you've made yourself look like a complete twat. Once again, give it up.

Originally Posted by RickThai

Why risk being Zimmerman'd (whose life is now ruined

See, this shows your mentality in every way. Zimmerman's life is ruined . . . and Trayvon martin happily got away with it, the little 'negro of the negro herd'

Originally Posted by RickThai

I post only true anecdotes about my life experiences.

Sure you do. Then we see via your proudly shot photo what a piss-weak little wanker you are . . . wearing a police vest and a hood . . . and a gun you now say you shouldn't have - making you one of the 15% of people you believe should be killed for breaking the law.

Originally Posted by RickThai

If you want I could post pictures of me ....

Originally Posted by RickThai

I could also post pictures of me in combat

Originally Posted by RickThai

I could post pictures (and video's) of me breaking

Originally Posted by RickThai

I could post pictures of sparring

Yes, Rick, we've seen enough pics of you . . . one is enough, thanks

Originally Posted by RickThai

real logic or rational thoughts

Yet again you seem fairly alone in your 'real logic or rational thoughts', everyone else has seemingly opposite views on what 'real logic or rational thoughts are'

It's always the other people who are wrong, isn't it, Rick. Always

Originally Posted by RickThai

Perhaps the reason you never believe what other people post, is that you have spent a lifetime making up things?

I see . . . if that were the case I'd be spouting all sorts of nonsense about how tough, strong, smart, successful etc... I am.

Originally Posted by RickThai

I have asked you to provide some detail about your life, your job, and your accomplishments, but you always refuse.

Because I am not you, Rick. Actually, no-one here is like you, Rick - except smeg.

You have asked for a photo of me and I told you where you could find one, but if you were incapable of doing so then I will post it for you. Please don't be disappointed as it doesn't show me mowing down any black hordes with an M16 or driving a tank over Arab children. It isn't even staged- just a snapshot my wife took while we spent a week-end away.

My photo:



or



Your photo:



Notice the differences, Rick?

Originally Posted by RickThai

Either your self-esteem is too low to withstand forum criticism, or you haven't really accomplished anything in your life

You see, Rick - you have it quite arse-backwards . . . I have nothing to prove to a few people on an anonymous internet board. Some here know me and would call bullshit if I were to start bragging about myself.

Originally Posted by RickThai

So once again, either put up or shut up.

That's not the way it works, Rick . . . I could, of course, scour the internet for some dangerous looking dudes wearing balaclavas or masks in dangerous situations or I could just post one of a total dweeb holding a gun, wearing a hood . . but I won't

If you have specific questions I'd consider answering them - but if you want me to to big myself or compare myself to your larger-than-life person . . . then . . . no, thanks

Originally Posted by Troy

Stiff upper lip and all that normally wins through...far better than those wild west values you are trying to hold on to.

Absolutely

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

or

Who's that weird looking guy trying to drag you away by the hand?

Originally Posted by Troy

Originally Posted by RickThai

If I saw two teenagers (I am assuming that when you say "youths") breaking into a car, I would call 911 if I had my cell phone, otherwise, I would just keep walking.

Why? Because it could be they had locked themselves out of their own car. It could be that they were breaking into someone's car to rip off the stereo or steal the car.

Why risk being Zimmerman'd (whose life is now ruined) over some strangers car?

Regardless of their appearances, I would never take for granted that I could "handle them with reasonable ease" (even in my prime, which I am now way past). They might have knives or guns, and in any event two-on-one, puts any person, know matter how fit and well-trained at a severe disadvantage.

If I saw them attacking a woman or a child, then I would take a different action. I would grab some kind of weapon (if I wasn't armed) and then intervene (probably by sneaking up behind them and hitting them on the head). Depending upon the severity of the attack, I might call 911 first, otherwise I would just jump into the fray.

What would you do?

This happened to a friend of mine who I enlisted, trained and worked with for most of my service career. He took the same action as I would and most of my colleagues would. It was a time before mobile/cell phones so that was not an option. It was in the UK and we never carry weapons of any kind.

He approached them in a friendly manner and asked if they needed help to get into their car. The youths backed off, taking the hint. Unfortunately, there was a third across the road who stabbed my mate in the back with a small knife. My mate reacted by picking this guy up and making a citizen's arrest. The two other youths pulled knives and moved towards him to which he responded with two more citizen's arrests. He marched all three to the police station where he handed them over. At this point he was treated for a knife wound that missed his lung by about 1/4 inch. The youths were charged with attempted break-in of a car and GBH. In court a feeble defence of excessive force by my mate was ruled ludicrous and they were sent to borstal for a year.

He has been told time and time again that it was a dangerous and foolish thing to do but he (and we) would probably still have done the same then and still do it now. Its a bit like seeing rubbish on the ground and putting it in the bin. If you can't be bothered then why should anyone else?

The thing is that I don't think we are much different in our views about crime but carrying guns and killing people is not the answer to solving the crime. Doing your duty as a citizen is. If you get injured or killed doing so then you will have held the right values. Stiff upper lip and all that normally wins through...far better than those wild west values you are trying to hold on to.

Your friend is very lucky indeed. If the other two guys had decided to come at him with knives and determination, he probably would have died.

Although I admire the compulsion and instinct to "do right" in trying to protect someone else's property, I can't see giving your life in order to protect a car.

I do appreciate your story, and like you stated, we are not that very different in our desire to protect the innocent, but differ only in the amount of force we are willing to use.

In the USA, violence has reached an unprecedented level. Acts such as the one depicted in the video, occur so regularly that they very seldom make the news.

Although some of the acts of violence are crimes of passion (i.e. estranged husband, jilted lover, etc) Most of them are committed by hard-core criminals or are gang-related (mostely Negor and Hispanic).

Myself, and many other US citizens (including many law enforcement officers) believe that allowing honest, citizens to use firearms for personal protection is becoming a necessity.

Although I realize that, at times, some citizens may become over-aggressive and shoot someone they didn't mean to (like the cops that opened fire on a couple of criminals on a crowded street and hit a few bystanders), or shoot somone over a relativelly minor incident (parking spot dispute, etc), stats show that an armed citizen prevents many violent acts from occurring.

Just recently, I read an article where a motorcyclists pulled over to the side of the road to take off a jacket. A car pulled in behind him and two men got out. With one of them brandishing a knife, they demanded his money.

Instead of complying, he pulled out his gun. The two fled.

If it had been me, I might have shot the one with the knife and claimed "fear for my life" (depending on the actions of the other guy, I might have shot him as well).

Why?

Ask a police officer and they will tell you a man with a knife who is within 20 feet of you is a deadly threat.

But, truth be told, I honestly believe that shooting the knife-weilder will prevent other people from becoming future victims of this thug.

Again, I appreciate your story.

RickThai

[QUOTE=OckerRocker;2512623]
You have asked for a photo of me and I told you where you could find one, but if you were incapable of doing so then I will post it for you. Please don't be disappointed as it doesn't show me mowing down any black hordes with an M16 or driving a tank over Arab children. It isn't even staged- just a snapshot my wife took while we spent a week-end away.

My photo:



or



If you have specific questions I'd consider answering them - but if you want me to to big myself or compare myself to your larger-than-life person . . . then . . . no, thanks
[QUOTE]

From the pictures, you seem to be a middle-aged guy, reasonably fit, with a young daughter, who you seem to be quite close to. In other words, a good father.

Good for you.

However, I find it hard to believe that you wouldn't shoot someone to protect that little girl; or even shoot someone who posed a serious threat to her.

I would certainly shoot someone to protect her and I don't even know her.

Different mindsets I suppose.

I honestly hope for your family's sake that nothing ever happens where you need a gun to protect your family, because you apparently will not have one.

BTW: In the top photo, the guy to your right seems to have his hand next to a knife (or cellphone?) or something. Did you notice that?

Santi,

RickThai

Hugely different mindsets, Rick, Normal people don't play this sort of scenarios in their heads over and over. It becomes paranoia. What's the chance anybody would attack the girl when her dad is around? Why shoot somebody, anyway? Knock him out, job done.

and lets not forget that 97% of little American girls that do get murdered, are in fact murdered by their parents, relatives and family acquaintances.

Rick, for me to be in a position to save that little girls life with a gun. over 100 other children would be put in a position where they lost their lives.

Do you get the feeling that where one person sees something positive, another sees something negative?

When I lived in the UK, I never locked my door and rarely closed the windows during a summer's night. Now I am in Germany, I still don't and in Thailand I don't. I can't think when I ever have secured my house before turning in. It was great in Cornwall because when I came back from a trip abroad anyone could be staying. Local shop-girl always stocked up the fridge the day I arrived back and let me know who visited/was still there when I paid the bill.

I came back from a trip once to find my bike missing. I was well upset and went to the village copper to complain. He laughed and told me one of the pub landlord's had spotted a couple of youths taking photos, sat on it and decided to put it in his backyard until I came back.

Problem with city areas is you become a number and others are anonymous and before you know it, who cares what's going down as long as you're okay.

Originally Posted by RickThai

In the USA, violence has reached an unprecedented level. Acts such as the one depicted in the video, occur so regularly that they very seldom make the news.

Not according to the FBI or the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr.../violent-crime







http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_i...s_of_offenders

I don't have kamoy bars on my windows, either. If a kamoy gets in the house with me, I want to be able to leave through one of those windows.

Originally Posted by misskit

I don't have kamoy bars on my windows, either. If a kamoy gets in the house with me, I want to be able to leave through one of those windows.

Do you leave your windows open at night?

Originally Posted by hazz

and lets not forget that 97% of little American girls that do get murdered, are in fact murdered by their parents, relatives and family acquaintances.

Rick, for me to be in a position to save that little girls life with a gun. over 100 other children would be put in a position where they lost their lives.

Not two? - or you?

Originally Posted by hazz

and lets not forget that 97% of little American girls that do get murdered, are in fact murdered by their parents, relatives and family acquaintances.

Rick, for me to be in a position to save that little girls life with a gun. over 100 other children would be put in a position where they lost their lives.

Well, let's look at the situation in a more favorable light, shall we?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by misskit

I don't have kamoy bars on my windows, either. If a kamoy gets in the house with me, I want to be able to leave through one of those windows.

Do you leave your windows open at night?

No, I don't.

One day I watched my next door neighbor, who locked himself out of his house, take a screwdriver and remove the bars from his window in just a couple of minutes. Check out your bars and see if they can be unscrewed easily.

Originally Posted by misskit

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by misskit

I don't have kamoy bars on my windows, either. If a kamoy gets in the house with me, I want to be able to leave through one of those windows.

Do you leave your windows open at night?

No, I don't.

One day I watched my next door neighbor, who locked himself out of his house, take a screwdriver and remove the bars from his window in just a couple of minutes. Check out your bars and see if they can be unscrewed easily.

They are riveted in so any potential criminal would have to make a lot of noise in order to pry them free.

W/regard to say a fire situation which would demand a quick exit from the house, there is an option of hinging and applying locks on the inside which I haven't done as yet.

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Hugely different mindsets, Rick, Normal people don't play this sort of scenarios in their heads over and over. It becomes paranoia. What's the chance anybody would attack the girl when her dad is around? Why shoot somebody, anyway? Knock him out, job done.

In case you forgotten, this thread is about having a gun in your home in order to protect yourself and your family from home invasion.

I honestly think some posters can't remember more than one or two posts back.


Good Grief.

RickThai

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

[Not according to the FBI or the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

So if violent crime is going down, why is there such a cry for "gun control'?

Apparently the status quo is working.

Perhaps AG Holden has ordered the FBI not to count gangland murders as crimes?

When you think about, the Travon Martion shooting was not technically a crime, since Z was found to have acted legally in the shooting.

I suppose the only crimes actually committed were the assault and battery inflicted on Z, by Martin, and the hate crime where Martin referred to Z as a "cracker".

Neither of these crimes will probably make it ito the FBI stats.

RickThai

^ Hey Rick, what do you think of the Oklahoma Pharmacist? Is he your pin up boy?
State with castle doctrine, he roughly followed your home defense scenario, finishing off the scumbag but went down for murder...

Originally Posted by hazz

and lets not forget that 97% of little American girls that do get murdered, are in fact murdered by their parents, relatives and family acquaintances.

Rick, for me to be in a position to save that little girls life with a gun. over 100 other children would be put in a position where they lost their lives.

Not sure what you mean by that last statement. Are you saying that you are normally a threat to children? Or that your current position saves children (pediatrician) and if you were to own a gun, you wouldn't be safe?


Did you just make up that stat about most little girls being killed by parents and family? It doesn't seem correct. In the USA, most of the stories I hear of little girls getting murdered are due to random shooting by gangbangers or abductions by pedophiles.

Occasionally an estranged husband or wife will kill their entire family, but that seems to be fairly rare compared to the drive-bys.


RickThai

Originally Posted by RickThai

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Hugely different mindsets, Rick, Normal people don't play this sort of scenarios in their heads over and over. It becomes paranoia. What's the chance anybody would attack the girl when her dad is around? Why shoot somebody, anyway? Knock him out, job done.

In case you forgotten, this thread is about having a gun in your home in order to protect yourself and your family from home invasion.

I honestly think some posters can't remember more than one or two posts back.


Good Grief.

RickThai

You are reminding yourself, yes? You must have looked back at some of your own posts.

I have no problem with legal ownership of the right type of gun for protection at home. However, I would argue against the wrong type of person having any gun or anyone having the wrong type of gun. People such as you who still play at soldiers and imagine conflict in the home or elsewhere and dream on the internet of how you would quickly bring your gun, mask and vest into play and boast of your lingering physical ability to commit violence are, in my view, not fit. You have created a fantasy world for yourself which could lead to the death of someone who isn't a threat to your life.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Not to be too judgemental here Troy but if you don't have burglar bars on the outside of your windows here in LOS, it's a matter of time before you get 'kemoyed' or worse leaving those windows open at night.

Doesn't matter how up or downscale the neighborhood is. The Yaa Baa people are everywhere.

Yet another who sees danger where danger doesn't exist. About 10 or so years ago I was celebrating my birthday in the village with the family and friends. A homeless youth from the village was looking in through the main gate. I ignored the family warnings of him being a dangerous person and invited him in. He is now a regular work-hand and village policeman. The guy had just come out of prison for taking drugs. He was made homeless in his teens when his family died in a car-crash. He was pretty much a no-hoper when I met him that night. One of the 15% who would have been killed on the spot....The culture of Isaan is about allowing anyone into your home and feeding them. Sometimes the family have to reminded of their own customs.