Thread: Reasons Citizens Should Own Guns

Originally Posted by RickThai

So what would you did if some 6 foot plus kid attacked you, and was on top of you banging your heads against the sidewalk?

I feel bad about pointing this out to you, seeing as you have immersed yourself in the world of false 'facts' and misleading obfuscation:

snopes.com: Trayvon Martin Photos

Trayvon Martin never was 6'plus and weighed 175lbs . . .

His death certificate showed him as 5'11 and 158 bs

Damnation, those pesky facts

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Well, we know how the Statists & their Media will alter 'facts' don't we?

Still haven't seen a genuine birth cert for you-know-who.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Well, we know how the Statists & their Media will alter 'facts' don't we?

This is where the internet has created a whole subculture of idiots who believe what is written by people with no checks and balances to keep them relatively 'honest' and close to the truth based on the facts available.

This goes for any political direction.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Still haven't seen a genuine birth cert for you-know-who.

This is yet another one of those instances that makes me believe you're taking the piss half the time just to get a reaction

Originally Posted by Rainfall

"We all of us agree in loving your people when we meet you personally, but when we read, day after day, of your kidnappings and honour slayings and racketeering, bootlegging and graft, we get a distorted picture that makes us laugh with the cynic that described you as having stepped straight out of barbarism into decadence."

Letter of an English couple to the American people, printed 23.06.1932 in a Connecticut newspaper

Mmh, that's odd. 'Honour slayings'? Americans love to point to Muslim honor killings, any idea what the English folks refered to?

Presumably "Honour slayings" was in reference to the mafia gang warfare of the time. Mafioso or man of honour or uomo d'onore is the probable reason for the phrase. Another time-honoured era in the USA of men with guns..... When will they learn?

Originally Posted by Morden

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Aren't you contradicting yourself? First you write that whether the intruder has a gun or not is irrelevant and that one should be prepared to shoot an unarmed intruder if you felt that your life was at risk. Later in your post, you acknowledge the truth that shooting in self-defence in Thailand is 'a very risky move'. Perhaps your thinking is confused by you having lived both in Thailand and, now, cowboy land.

For someone who claims to be an expert with deadly weapons from guns to feet, you have a disappointing knowledge of gun safety. You should not sleep with a loaded gun. You load a gun if you expect imminently to have to use it. Are you one of those Americans who leaves a loaded handgun lying around so that the kids can pick it up and pull the trigger?

Chappie, you present yourself as a very aggressive and cunning thug. You admit that you enticed that man into a fight in such a way that you could claim self defence. Perhaps you're not a fit person to have a gun at all. Or perhaps you're really a pussy cat writing all this bull shite.

I don't currently live in Thailand. Thailand, like many backward countries, seem to favor the government first, criminals second, and victims third. Shooting (or stabbing) someone in Thailand in self-defense is a very risk move. Even though it might well be that your life is in danger, you could still wind up in jail and/or pay a big fine. This applies to all Thais and visitors. Even in Thailand, I would be prepared to kill someone if they broke into my house or threatened my life or my family. I would just have to suffer the consequences.

As far as gun safety, most professionals who require the use of guns regularly keep a round in the chamber when in the "ready" position. Do you think most cops walk around with their guns unloaded?

My son, who is now grown, was taught at any early age, NEVER to touch any of my guns. He was well-behaved (unlike many liberal kids who run totally wild) and followed that rule his entire life.

When I have other guests in the house, I take precautions to secure any loaded weapon (either out-of-reach, or in a location that would normally not be found).

Trying to rack a round into the chamber of a semi-auto pistol at night will only serve to let the intruder know your whereabouts and that he/they have lost the element of surprise.

As for my aggressiveness, I am an easy-going, law-abiding individual, but I am intolerant of criminal behavior and will not let anybody intimidate me (as the jerk did who kicked my truck). I have no problem with confronting jerks. Once on a beach, I saw some guy, fully-dressed laying on the beach, videotaping a small child. He had a towel over his head and camera trying to hide the fact that he was videotaping the kid.

I was with my son, who was about 6 at the time. I told my son to stay put, and walked up to the jerk, putting myself between the kid and the camera lens. I loudly asked the guy if the parent's of that kid, knew she was being videotaped by a stranger. The guy mumbled something about "I'm watching a movie.". I then said I was going to get a cop. The pervert jumped up and took off at a run.

I have did things like that my entire adult life.

And everything I have ever posted on this forum is either opinion (which I believe to be true at the time of posting) or entirely factual (i.e. my personal life experiences). You can take that to the bank.

RickThai

Originally Posted by hazz

.So to be honest the only coniquence of puting up a sign that said "this house is unarmed" is that my nayboures might thing I am as disturbingly silly as a man holding big phallic gun, wearing unloaded shorts and what looks like ladies underwear over his face.... rather like you!

What we do in the UK is rely on something called the police and something called forensic science.... particularly DNA profiling.

For a criminal in the UK breaking into an occupied home, or partaking in stranger rape or murder is a very high risk occupation, as the police take these crimes very seriously, will collect DNA and will expend serious effort into catching you. Its very hard to acrry out any of these crimes without leaving DNA around and unless you can be sure that you or any of your relatives have not and will not for the rest of your life end up on our dna database... this alone will have the police crawling up your arse.

Ah, "unarmed..." means the homeowner has NO gun! Duh!

I'm sure that most of the victims would much rather have the rapes and murders prevented (even if it meant killing the attacker), as opposed to knowing "the police take these crimes very seriously" after the fact.

Strange mentality.

Remember the young soldier getting hacked to death while on-lookers called the police? Wouldn't it had been a better outcome, if the soldier or one of the by-standers pulled out a gun and wasted one or both of the attackers before they succeeded in killing the soldier?

RickThai

Originally Posted by FlyFree

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Somehow your weight doesn't strike me as the issue.

That's a really cool outfit. Arabian nights, American style.

What with your awesome, brave fighting fighting skills, the outfit seems a bit OTT?


Heard of paranoia? Fear? Yellow streaks?

I'm surprised that with all the "Thailand experts" on this forum no one has recognized that the head covering is something that rural Thais regularly wear when working in the fields or when they have to be in the sun all day. They cost about 15 baht in the markets.

As for why I am wearing it in the picture - I had possession of a gun in Thailand that I was currently not legally allowed to keep.

I think only one poster came close to figuring it out in his question as to whether the gun was licensed to me.

And yet these people call me the idiot!

RickThai

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Originally Posted by RickThai

So what would you did if some 6 foot plus kid attacked you, and was on top of you banging your heads against the sidewalk?

I feel bad about pointing this out to you, seeing as you have immersed yourself in the world of false 'facts' and misleading obfuscation:

snopes.com: Trayvon Martin Photos

Trayvon Martin never was 6'plus and weighed 175lbs . . .

His death certificate showed him as 5'11 and 158 bs

Damnation, those pesky facts

Okay, I will rephrase the statement.

So what would you did if some 6 foot plus or minus an inch, kid attacked you, and was on top of you banging your heads against the sidewalk?

Feel better Okie? Now answer my question what would you do?

RickThai

If he were banging your head against the sidewalk I wouldn't be concerned, no further damage could be done to its contents. What are your hypocritical questions good for? Travyon minding his own business walks back home, and is confronted by Zimmerman, with a loaded and unlocked gun in his pockets, for no other reason than looking for trouble.

Originally Posted by RickThai

As far as gun safety, most professionals who require the use of guns regularly keep a round in the chamber when in the "ready" position. Do you think most cops walk around with their guns unloaded?

no cops don't walk around with their guns unloaded... that's just silly... but they certainly do not walk around with a round chambered! nor should anyone with a C&C permit. ITS DANGEROUS AND UNSAFE!

chambering a round will give you away in the dark? you watch too many movies...

if you have been trained by the NRA for home self defense you would know that you should take a defensive position (end of the hallway on one knee for instance) tell the intruder you are armed and police have been called. you will be far safer if he knows where you are and you are armed. prowling around your house in the dark looking for someone to shoot...
what could go wrong with that?

this lone justice in the night shit is just bad information....

Originally Posted by RickThai

So what would you did if some 6 foot plus or minus an inch, kid attacked you, and was on top of you banging your heads against the sidewalk?

well if I outweighed him by 50 pounds and had 18 months of MMA training... hmmm... start by controlling his hands.... then pull him close to me and begin to wrap my legs around him and get my arms around him and control his body... from there work on turning the skinny little twig boy over and out of my guard... but hey what do I know... I did not take 18 months of MMA training... just high school wrestling...

Originally Posted by RickThai

The problem is not with your math. It is with your logic. The people saved by guns are generally innocent victims. The people getting killed by the cops and decent citizens are generally criminals. In fact, most of the people getting killed by guns in the US are other criminals getting killed by other criminals. That is not necessarily a bad thing IMO. What is bad is all the little children (mostly Negro) and innocent bystanders getting killed by the gangbangers. Like the lady in video, these people weren't doing anything wrong. They just wound up dead or permanently injured because of the callous actions of the criminal element. Unfortunately all your math doesn't delineate between innocent people being saved by the killing of criminals, and criminals being killed by cops, other criminals, or by citizens acting in self-defense (not too mention suicide). If 1,000,000 rapists, murders, and other assorted hard-core criminals have to be killed to save the life of a couple innocent children or people like the lady in the video, then IMO it is a bargain.

That does rather sum you up dosn't it. As far as you are concerned when its IMO then its true, therfore there is no need to actually bother yourself with silly things like facts or reaility.

If you had bothered to look at my anaysis or the origonal source that boonmee supplied you would have no bothered to wite

Unfortunately all your math doesn't delineate between innocent people being saved by the killing of criminals, and criminals being killed by cops, other criminals, or by citizens acting in self-defense (not too mention suicide).

because I most defiantly do differentiate between citizens using firearms in self defense, cop's killing people and people ebing killed by criminals.
However you are quite right I do not differentiate between good people being killed by criminals and bad people being killed by criminals. because where I came from we see the law, justice and its protection being something that should apply to everyone. murder is murder and its needs to be stopped irrispective ao weather the victim innocent, white, criminal or black.... and that you and others assume that the latter two go together and therefore there's no need to worry about providing the protection of the law to these people as one of the reasons your country is so monumentally fucked up.

The numbers show that US criminals are able to use your gun culture to kill 25 times more people than gun owners are able to save. If in your opinion I wam wrong, go to those numbers and prove it, if my logic is wrong you can use those numbers to prove that too. If you are unabel to do this, you should relasie that its the universe telling you that your wrong and that you are living in a fantasy world faith and ingornace rather like those prats screaming abu akbar whilst dreaming of their 72 virgins.

Originally Posted by Pound Hound

Originally Posted by RickThai

As far as gun safety, most professionals who require the use of guns regularly keep a round in the chamber when in the "ready" position. Do you think most cops walk around with their guns unloaded?

no cops don't walk around with their guns unloaded... that's just silly... but they certainly do not walk around with a round chambered! nor should anyone with a C&C permit. ITS DANGEROUS AND UNSAFE!
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is it any more stupid that most of the stuff that rick posts. he kind of reminds me of a right wing version of rick from the young ones.

Anyway, I think we have identified ricks contact in the police, as Pol Sub-Lt Napas Suthnathitikul (Bangkok: Cop 'accidentally' kills colleague), who was very much into chambered rounds

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

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Well, we know how the Statists & their Media will alter 'facts' don't we?

Still haven't seen a genuine birth cert for you-know-who.

funny you should bring this up...

yesterday I was filling out the paperwork to get certified copies of my daughters birth certificate and found this...

http://healthuser.hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html

the Hawaii Department of Health has a whole page dedicated to the last of the looney retards!

for $10 they will send it to you Boon!
but I am sure that will still prove nothing huh?

Originally Posted by Pound Hound

Originally Posted by RickThai

As far as gun safety, most professionals who require the use of guns regularly keep a round in the chamber when in the "ready" position. Do you think most cops walk around with their guns unloaded?

no cops don't walk around with their guns unloaded... that's just silly... but they certainly do not walk around with a round chambered! nor should anyone with a C&C permit. ITS DANGEROUS AND UNSAFE!

chambering a round will give you away in the dark? you watch too many movies...

tell the intruder you are armed and police have been called. you will be far safer if he knows where you are and you are armed..

Most cops I've talked to keep rounds in all chambers (for revolvers - which hardly anyone uses anymore) and carry the semi-auto pistols with a round in the chamber and the hammer down (and safety on, provided the gun has one). Most modern semi-autos will not fire unless the hammer is cocked (either via your thumb or double-action). The trick is to never put your finger on the trigger until you are in a "kill" situation.

While in a combat zone, I kept my .45 Colt cocked and locked at all times except when cleaning it, or standing down in a secure area.

Sure, let the intruder know where you are, and then his buddy can open up on you while he dives for cover. You do it your way, and I'll do it mine (and my family will sleep much safer).

RickThai

Originally Posted by RickThai

and my family will sleep much safer

just as long as you don't shoot one of them by mistake in the dark!

and you seem to neglect that you are to place yourself in a defensive position, where you have no blind spots and everything is in front of you. you have called the police and they should be on their way. If an intruder then comes into your field of view to attack you.. well... bad day for him... you seem to think you should start moving around your house in the dark hunting them down dirty harry style. I am saying that is a bad approach. I know each defensive position in my house and know exactly where I need to be in case of an intruder to protect myself and my family. And... only when I reach my position will I chamber a round.

and per NRA training. your valuables are not worth shooting someone over. Stereos and TV's can be replaced. Human life cannot

in a combat zone you are absolutely right to chamber a round. 100% I am all behind you on that.

Police have "safety" procedures that must be followed and I can assure you keeping one in the chamber is not protocol. My Uncle was a Washington State Trooper and his wife was a US Marshal. They did not fuck around when it came to firearm safety.

I know we all have our own feelings about firearms. I think too many people have the wrong idea of what it means to be a gun owner. Training, responsibility, common sense & self control are high on my list!

I know you want to believe that... but it is simply not procedure...

"your one real safety is your trigger finger anyway"

THAT... is the most logical thing said on subject!

and my uncle was not behind a desk nor an idiot.

I long for the days when a good street cop only needed a fine 20 ounce piece of Indiana hickory to patrol his beat!

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It's not 'what I want to believe'- its what cops actually do- it would make them far less safe otherwise- I've heard many of them weigh in on this subject over the years.

If you agree that your trigger finger is your only real safety, than what is the point of not carrying a round in the chamber when not doing so could cost not only time but also negate the advantage of having a gun in the first place, especially when you've been fully trained in the use of that gun?

If you would concede that Zimmerman's scenario is plausible, where he was straddled and pummeled by an attacker intent on killing him, if a round hadn't been in the chamber he never would have been able to defend himself as there's no way he could have racked the slide (his gun was holstered at the start of the confrontation) and his gun would have been useless.

Originally Posted by RickThai

Thailand, like many backward countries, seem to favor the government first, criminals second, and victims third.

Ah, RickThai, the perpetual victim . . . seeing injustice everywhere

Originally Posted by RickThai

Even in Thailand, I would be prepared to kill someone if they broke into my house or threatened my life or my family.

Of course you would

Originally Posted by RickThai

Do you think most cops walk around with their guns unloaded?

I don't know most cops . . . do you?

Originally Posted by RickThai

He was well-behaved (unlike many liberal kids who run totally wild

Ah yes, those liberal kids. I guess a bit of naughty behaviour is acceptable as opposed to beating my child every time it gets out of line like those 'conservative' morons do.
See, anyone can spout rubbish

Originally Posted by RickThai

As for my aggressiveness, I am an easy-going, law-abiding individual

No, you're not - you mention in the same post that you had a weapon illegally and you beat people up (well, not in real life)

Originally Posted by RickThai

I have did things like that my entire adult life.

Originally Posted by RickThai

I'm surprised that with all the "Thailand experts" on this forum no one has recognized that the head covering is something that rural Thais regularly wear when working in the fields or when they have to be in the sun all day

You don't get it, do you . . you look ridiculous, trying to be all tough

Originally Posted by RickThai

As for why I am wearing it in the picture - I had possession of a gun in Thailand that I was currently not legally allowed to keep.

So, you broke the law. You belong to the 15% - will you pull your own trigger?

Originally Posted by RickThai

And yet these people call me the idiot!

Quite rightly so

Originally Posted by RickThai

Okay, I will rephrase the statement.

Ah yes, the old walkback situation . . .

Originally Posted by RickThai

While in a combat zone, I kept my .45 Colt cocked and locked at all times except when cleaning it, or standing down in a secure area.

Combat zone . . . was that in rural Isaan or Boise?

Originally Posted by RickThai

As for why I am wearing it in the picture - I had possession of a gun in Thailand that I was currently not legally allowed to keep.

So you broke the law. You are part of the 15% of the population that you want to kill off.

Well done, Rick . . . Darwinism does work

Originally Posted by FailSafe

If you would concede that Zimmerman's scenario is plausible, where he was straddled and pummeled by an attacker intent on killing him, if a round hadn't been in the chamber he never would have been able to defend himself as there's no way he could have racked the slide (his gun was holstered at the start of the confrontation) and his gun would have been useless.

I will not concede that... I still think he is a pussy boy who got punched in the nose and shot the guy... with his weight advantage and his MMA training there was no reason to shoot an unarmed person.

It's ridiculous not to concede that the scenario itself (involving anyone, not exclusively Zimmerman and Martin) is plausible, where someone being attacked would not be able to use both hands to ready their weapon in justified self-defense.

As far as Zimmerman and Martin goes, if you catch a bigger man with an unexpected punch, you can incapacitate him regardless of his training, leaving him unable to properly physically defend himself and open to great bodily harm or death- I'm not saying that's what happened, but to say it's beyond the realm of possibility is just wrong.

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Originally Posted by RickThai

As for why I am wearing it in the picture - I had possession of a gun in Thailand that I was currently not legally allowed to keep.

So you broke the law. You are part of the 15% of the population that you want to kill off.

Well done, Rick . . . Darwinism does work

Don't be silly, Rick see's himself as the hero incapable of doing wrong.... no matter what laws he breaks he will always be able to coem up with a spurious reason as to why he is not one of the 15% that should be killed.

But lets be honest her, in his posts he makes it very clear that he is able to what noone else can he knows who is good and who is bad.... and that its being black that makes you a bad person, whats worthy of being in the 15%, that needs to be butchered for a nice, pure, safe america. And why 15%.... could it be that 15% is more or less the percentage of americans who are african americans? wikipedia says its 12%

Originally Posted by RickThai

Originally Posted by Morden

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Aren't you contradicting yourself? First you write that whether the intruder has a gun or not is irrelevant and that one should be prepared to shoot an unarmed intruder if you felt that your life was at risk. Later in your post, you acknowledge the truth that shooting in self-defence in Thailand is 'a very risky move'. Perhaps your thinking is confused by you having lived both in Thailand and, now, cowboy land.

For someone who claims to be an expert with deadly weapons from guns to feet, you have a disappointing knowledge of gun safety. You should not sleep with a loaded gun. You load a gun if you expect imminently to have to use it. Are you one of those Americans who leaves a loaded handgun lying around so that the kids can pick it up and pull the trigger?

Chappie, you present yourself as a very aggressive and cunning thug. You admit that you enticed that man into a fight in such a way that you could claim self defence. Perhaps you're not a fit person to have a gun at all. Or perhaps you're really a pussy cat writing all this bull shite.

I don't currently live in Thailand. Thailand, like many backward countries, seem to favor the government first, criminals second, and victims third. Shooting (or stabbing) someone in Thailand in self-defense is a very risk move. Even though it might well be that your life is in danger, you could still wind up in jail and/or pay a big fine. This applies to all Thais and visitors. Even in Thailand, I would be prepared to kill someone if they broke into my house or threatened my life or my family. I would just have to suffer the consequences.

As far as gun safety, most professionals who require the use of guns regularly keep a round in the chamber when in the "ready" position. Do you think most cops walk around with their guns unloaded?

My son, who is now grown, was taught at any early age, NEVER to touch any of my guns. He was well-behaved (unlike many liberal kids who run totally wild) and followed that rule his entire life.

When I have other guests in the house, I take precautions to secure any loaded weapon (either out-of-reach, or in a location that would normally not be found).

Trying to rack a round into the chamber of a semi-auto pistol at night will only serve to let the intruder know your whereabouts and that he/they have lost the element of surprise.

As for my aggressiveness, I am an easy-going, law-abiding individual, but I am intolerant of criminal behavior and will not let anybody intimidate me (as the jerk did who kicked my truck). I have no problem with confronting jerks. Once on a beach, I saw some guy, fully-dressed laying on the beach, videotaping a small child. He had a towel over his head and camera trying to hide the fact that he was videotaping the kid.

I was with my son, who was about 6 at the time. I told my son to stay put, and walked up to the jerk, putting myself between the kid and the camera lens. I loudly asked the guy if the parent's of that kid, knew she was being videotaped by a stranger. The guy mumbled something about "I'm watching a movie.". I then said I was going to get a cop. The pervert jumped up and took off at a run.

I have did things like that my entire adult life.

And everything I have ever posted on this forum is either opinion (which I believe to be true at the time of posting) or entirely factual (i.e. my personal life experiences). You can take that to the bank.

RickThai

It's clear, without you having to say so, that you neither live in Thailand nor have a good knowledge of Thai law relevant to this thread.

Now you admit that you leave a loaded gun lying around where your son or anyone else in the house could pick it up. That's irresponsible.

You are aggressive. It is very clear from the personal stories that you tell and the manner on which you write. You believe that it's OK for you to take the law into your own hands and seem, constantly, to be looking for opportunities to do so.

Ricky, give it up. You're making an idiot of yourself.