Thread: 2016 Democratic US Presidential Candidates

Originally Posted by Humbert

That's why I didn't quote you in my post.

Ok, cool...

but this:

Originally Posted by Humbert

The closest you will or ever come to the kind of US you want is the one you had with Barack Obama and sadly he cannot run for another term.

Wow! Really? 8 years of Obama and what changed on the interventionism front? Not a goddamned thing. Not only are we still in Afghanistan and Iraq but we added Libya, Syria, Yemen, Ukraine, and other places I'm forgetting, into the conflict/war mix. Obama continued and inflated the Bush II clusterfucks...IMO.

There has been no noninterventionist President in my lifetime. Look where that has gotten us. We can't even keep our own nest clean. WTF gives us the standing to tell others how they should run their countries on a global basis? It's madness and above all it's hubris with a capital H.

Originally Posted by Humbert

America will always exert it's influence and power abroad in defense of it's national interests.

These things are not done in our national interest, they're done in the interests of the select few who profit from the bloodstained misery our interventionism and militarism inflicts.

Originally Posted by SKkin

Not only are we still in Afghanistan and Iraq

In fact the US prescence in both places is a tiny fraction of what it was under Bush.

Like I said, Obama is the best you can hope for. There simply is no sentiment anywhere in government for the America you wish for. It is a minority viewpoint.

Originally Posted by longway

No-one is taking about isolationism except for you

Well, what are you talking about? Is there any circumstance that you can envision where it would be justifiable to use limited military power?

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by SKkin

Not only are we still in Afghanistan and Iraq

In fact the US prescence in both places is a tiny fraction of what it was under Bush.

Like I said, Obama is the best you can hope for. There simply is no sentiment anywhere in government for the America you wish for. It is a minority viewpoint.

But not a fraction of the death of innocent people.

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Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by longway

No-one is taking about isolationism except for you

Well, what are you talking about? Is there any circumstance that you can envision where it would be justifiable to use limited military power?

Of course there are circumstances where military intervention is required. Libya was not one of them. Neither was Iraq. Afghanistan was inevitable, given the location of bin Laden, however the post war situation was left to fester as their real target was Iraq.

Bush was the icing on the cake in many respects, Obama was a continuation of bush, and shillary wants to expand on his idiocy.

Obama deliberately allowed Isis to grow in Syria, and he also ensured that Assad could not end the civil war; shillary wants to confront Russia in Syria, both her and Obama are making ludicrous claims about Putin intervening in us elections for short term political manoeuvring.

Originally Posted by Humbert

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You don't like to face facts do you.

Originally Posted by longway

Obama deliberately allowed Isis to grow in Syria

You just went full tin-foil hat.

You never go full tin-foil hat.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

You don't like to face facts do you.

Remind us again how old you believe the Earth is...

...and what a fact actually is (hint Repeater: it's not spelled "opinion").

Harry of course Libya had nothing to do with gold.

Anyway can't be long before Assange releases the killer blow,kim dotcom announced a few hours ago.

Pretty sure its going to be worse than watergate.

Hillary Clinton's Emailgate Is an Attack on Women

Get a load of the whackjob who wrote an op-ed in Time magazine, who tries to equate clunkton's incompetent handling of classified information as a war on women.

She even takes issue with comey not being deferential enough to clunkton for her when he made his first statement about her mishandling of classified information.

She says she is mad and scared.

I guess no-one buying the 'its the russians' card, and she is going back to trying play the vagina card again.

Be careful the alarm may go off early.

Time flies the older you get so 7 days will be gone in no time, but what are you going to do once it is all over.
What's the media circus going to do, it won't have tons of trivia to sell anymore.

interesting, Trump back to 45% against Hillary 49% according to the BBC average of polls

too close to call now, this election is full of surprise, don't see how he could recover so quickly, the only explanation is that more hates Hillary than Trump

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Qadafi was using his military and military grade weapons against his own people. FFS if that doesn't merit an intervention I don't know what does.

Probably much like the story that Saddam and his soldiers were throwing Kuwatii babies from incubators. A story created by a public relations firm...Hill & Knowlton.

When contemplating war, beware of babies in incubators - CSMonitor.com

The Kuwait government had to find a way to "sell the war" to the American public, who were interested, but not deeply involved. So under the auspices of a group called Citizen for a Free Kuwait, which was really the Kuwait government in exile (the group received almost $12 million from the Kuwaiti government, and only $17,000 from others, according to author John R. MacArthur) the American PR firm Hill & Knowlton was hired for $10.7 million to devise a campaign to win American support for the war. Craig Fuller, the firm's president and COO, had been then-President George Bush's chief of staff when the senior Bush has served as vice president under Ronald Reagan. The move made a lot of sense – after all, access to power is everything in Washington and the Hill & Knowlton people had lots of that.

As far as Libya and Qaddafi, have you ever read The Green Book? Have you ever stopped to think that Libyan's lives are much worse now after our 'liberation'? [ Before US-NATO Invasion, Libya Had The Highest Human Development Index , The Lowest Infant Mortality, The Highest Life Expectancy In All Of Africa ]

I'm now sure that over the years we were fed a constant stream of propaganda and straight-up bullshit about both Saddam and Qaddafi...amongst others. Bullshit and propaganda most likely created by public relations 'experts' such as H&K in the incubator story.

Bernie Sanders wouldn't have lasted against Trump

at least Hillary is a beast to beat,

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Bernie Sanders wouldn't have lasted against Trump

Bernie would have annihilated Drumpf with wit, fact and intellect. Something you know nothing about.

Originally Posted by bsnub

with wit, fact and intellect

like it matters in any election, dimwit

^ Like I said something you know nothing about you rifle dropper.

Originally Posted by bsnub

^ Like I said something you know nothing about you rifle dropper.

Did something happen to you when you were young and impressionable, snub?