2016 Democratic US Presidential Candidates

**longway** · 31-07-2016, 03:28 PM

^ standard emotional manipulation by the dems, using people in pain. Could work, but cynical all the same.

**harrybarracuda** · 31-07-2016, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by longway

^ standard emotional manipulation by the dems, using people in pain. Could work, but cynical all the same.

There is nothing unusual about it unless you completely lack empathy.

We know from how Trump is willing to stiff small family businesses and the working class, that he completely lacks this quality.

**longway** · 31-07-2016, 03:58 PM

^ he is the one who wants to stop the wars and protect all Americans, unlike shillary who loves war and killing, her only interest in them is as props in her bid for power.

**harrybarracuda** · 31-07-2016, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by longway

^ he is the one who wants to stop the wars and protect all Americans, unlike shillary who loves war and killing, her only interest in them is as props in her bid for power.

Fucking hell, another idiot that believes all that shit.

If he doesn't even understand what the nuclear triad is, how much do you the thick fucker knows about the Middle East?

Protect Americans, you haven't got a fucking clue.

**Humbert** · 31-07-2016, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by longway

he is the one who wants to stop the wars

Right, he's a pacifist and an isolationist. Maybe you ought to get in touch with the reality of the Republican Party on foreign policy. You are really drunk on Trump's Kool Aid.

**AntRobertson** · 31-07-2016, 04:25 PM

Trump has said he would 'crush' ISIS and 'spend what was needed to rebuild the military' such as its 'dominance would be unquestioned'.

As longway constantly illustrates it appears that to be a Trump supporter a disregard for facts is a prerequisite (being stupid enough to believe lies is helpful also).

**thaimeme** · 31-07-2016, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by longway

^ he is the one who wants to stop the wars and protect all Americans, unlike shillary who loves war and killing, her only interest in them is as props in her bid for power.

Goes without saying that Hillary's history and background reflects her well entrenched association with the American establishment, which promotes the base ideals of perpetual war, occupations, foreign covert intel operations, military build-up, etc - for the "American way"....most certainly we understand what she's about and her take on things.

Don't know if one could speculate regarding Trump along these lines. On the contrary, one could easily suggest that he might naturally fall into the same game of unnecessary foreign engagements or be forced to play the game by the usual shadow controlling establishment, in which all presidents are pressured into regardless of their political stance as such applies to foreign affairs. I would expect The Donald to follow suit towards unnecessary foreign aggression [an American hallmark] as his predecessors have been.....even for his political talk, he's surely not an isolationist. Belongs to this same fanciful base of American exceptionalism and extending military force if needed be [always unnecessarily].

Either is sainted. I don't find much difference between 'em as it applies to foreign affairs.

**longway** · 31-07-2016, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by longway

he is the one who wants to stop the wars

Right, he's a pacifist and an isolationist. Maybe you ought to get in touch with the reality of the Republican Party on foreign policy. You are really drunk on Trump's Kool Aid.

the neocons in the rethug party support hitlery.

**longway** · 31-07-2016, 04:36 PM

^^ they hate him, and this is the best indication that he is not willing to follow their agenda.

**Humbert** · 31-07-2016, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by longway

the neocons in the rethug party support hitlery

You're a dolt. Did you not watch the Rethug convention. Tom Cotton, Jeff Sessions, Mike Flynn. All hardline neocons.

**harrybarracuda** · 31-07-2016, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by longway

the neocons in the rethug party support hitlery

You're a dolt. Did you not watch the Rethug convention. Tom Cotton, Jeff Sessions, Mike Flynn. All hardline neocons.

All of them, including Trump (and most of his fellow contenders for Head Clown) spoke of expanding the military (and tax cuts, so fuck knows how they expected to pay for it without raising the deficit to 2008 levels. Then again not one of them has any tangible policy worth shit).

**S Landreth** · 31-07-2016, 06:24 PM

The difference just a few hours can make. I’ve updated the RCP and Huffington Post general election polls to reflect Clinton’s upward trend. DNC bump

Originally Posted by S Landreth

An update on the trump bump. It’s officially over and to never return, again.

Huffpo,……

Some other projections.

RCP’s no toss up states projection (270 to win),…..

I do believe Florida will go blue by Nov 8th. Right now Florida sits at 0.3 for trump (with a shitty poll included in the mix).

538 projection without the noise,……..

and finally our next president and vice president (one extra president pictured),……

**blue** · 31-07-2016, 06:30 PM

So how do you politically correct goons feel about having a military hawk like Bill/Hilliary Clinton double act, back in power ?

**blue** · 31-07-2016, 06:34 PM

Virtually every election held in western countries is dead even in the polls
bit suspicious don't you think ?
Perhaps they do it to give an illusion of democracy , close exciting, a real fight , a real choice, pretty graphs
Then come the result
it wasn't close at all

**harrybarracuda** · 31-07-2016, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by blue

Virtually every election held in western countries is dead even in the polls
bit suspicious don't you think ?
Perhaps they do it to give an illusion of democracy , close exciting, a real fight , a real choice, pretty graphs
Then come the result
it wasn't close at all

I think the media do it.

After all you wouldn't bother watching or buying papers if they said "there's no point in us polling, Hillary's going to piss it".

They've got Ads to sell.

**pulvarien** · 31-07-2016, 09:22 PM

Has anyone here watched the film Clinton Cash? Its supposed to trace in excruciating detail how the Clintons took hundreds of millions in bribes from companies, foreign countries etc, including how they use foreign countries to wash the money before returning it to the US. I just don't trust those who say its been debunked, they always say that about what they fear the most.

**harrybarracuda** · 31-07-2016, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by pulvarien

Has anyone here watched the film Clinton Cash? Its supposed to trace in excruciating detail how the Clintons took hundreds of millions in bribes from companies, foreign countries etc, including how they use foreign countries to wash the money before returning it to the US. I just don't trust those who say its been debunked, they always say that about what they fear the most.

It's bullshit funded by Breitbart.

And there is some shitty documentary all the rednecks are lapping up, made by that looney republican jingly bloke who got banged up for election fraud.

All part of the campaign to stop the Clintons taking the White House again.

The GOP hate them. Forget the fact they did a much better job of running the country than any Republican from Bush Sr. onwards.

That's what they are afraid of.

**MrG** · 31-07-2016, 11:12 PM

What a lovely slaughter is coming to the big blond hair-ball.

Meet the big-name Republicans supporting Hillary Clinton
The Washington Post
Aaron Blake
Koch network refusing to help Trump

At Thursday's session of the Democratic National Convention, the party rolled out a number of Republicans who are supporting Hillary Clinton. Among them was Doug Elmets, a former Reagan administration official whom we included recently on a list of big-name GOP officials, donors and thought leaders who support Clinton. Below is the list.

Richard Armitage, Henry Paulson, Brent Scowcroft. Three big-name former George W. Bush administration officials in the past two weeks have announced that they are supporting Hillary Clinton in 2016 — all because Donald Trump is simply a bridge too far for them.

"When it comes to the presidency, I will not vote for Donald Trump," Paulson wrote in The Washington Post last week. "I will not cast a write-in vote. I’ll be voting for Hillary Clinton, with the hope that she can bring Americans together to do the things necessary to strengthen our economy, our environment and our place in the world. To my Republican friends: I know I’m not alone."

He's not. And below are the big names that are with him — or, perhaps more accurately, with her.

(A note: While many, many Republicans have declined to embrace Trump's candidacy, a growing but significantly smaller group has gone so far as to express support for Clinton. This list focuses on the latter, and it will be updated in the weeks ahead.)

Bush administration officials
Henry Paulson, treasury secretary
Richard Armitage, deputy secretary of state and adviser to Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush — Trump "doesn't appear to be to be a Republican, he doesn't appear to want to learn about issues. So I’m going to vote for Mrs. Clinton."
Brent Scowcroft, chairman of the President's Intelligence Advisory Board and adviser to three previous GOP presidents — "The presidency requires the judgment and knowledge to make tough calls under pressure.... [Clinton] has the wisdom and experience to lead our country at this critical time."
Alan Steinberg, regional EPA administrator
Kori Schake, National Security Council and State Department aide

Advisers to previous GOP presidents
Doug Elmets, former Reagan spokesman — "I could live with four years of Hillary Clinton before I could ever live with one day of Donald Trump as president."
Jim Cicconi, former Reagan and George H.W. Bush aide — "Hillary Clinton is experienced, qualified and will make a fine president. The alternative, I fear, would set our nation on a very dark path.”

The Washington Post Poll: Clinton's lead over Trump grows to double-digits A Washington Post-ABC News poll shows Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton taking a double-digit lead over Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump and a higher percentage of Americans saying she's qualified to serve as president.

Foreign policy leaders
Robert Kagan, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and a co-founder of the Project for the New American Century
Max Boot, senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and adviser to GOP presidential candidates — "I'm literally losing sleep over Donald Trump. She would be vastly preferable to Trump."
Peter Mansoor, retired Army colonel and former aide to David Petraeus — "It will be the first Democratic presidential candidate I’ve voted for in my adult life."

Business leaders/donors
Marc Andreessen, venture capitalist — "[Silicon] Valley wouldn't be here, we wouldn't be doing any of this if we didn't have the amazing flow of immigrants that we've had in the last 80 years. And the idea of choking that off just makes me sick to my stomach."
Dan Akerson, former chairman and chief executive of General Motors — "Serving as the leader of the free world requires effective leadership, sound judgment, a steady hand and, most importantly, the temperament to deal with crises large and small. Donald Trump lacks each of these characteristics."
Chuck Robbins, chief executive of Cisco
Hamid Moghadam, chairman and chief executive of Prologis — "Our country is about tolerance and inclusion and that's why, as a lifelong Republican supporter, I endorse Hillary Clinton for president in this election."
William Oberndorf, $3 million to GOP candidates since 2012 — "If it is Trump vs. Clinton, and there is no viable third-party candidate, I will be voting for Hillary Clinton."
Mike Fernandez, $4 million to GOP candidates in recent years — "If I have a choice — and you can put it in bold — if I have a choice between Trump and Hillary Clinton, I’m choosing Hillary. She’s the lesser of two evils."

Former Republican elected officials
Larry Pressler, former three-term Republican senator from South Dakota who lost an independent campaign for his old seat in 2014 — "I can’t believe I’m endorsing Hillary Clinton for president, but I am. If someone had told me 10 years ago I would do this, I wouldn’t have believed them."
Arne Carlson, a former two-term Republican governor of Minnesota who supported President Obama
Robert Smith, former New York state Supreme Court justice — "This year, I’m going to vote for a Democrat for president — the first time I’ve done it in 36 years — and I think the decision is easy. Hillary Clinton is the only responsible choice, and I don’t understand why so few of my fellow conservatives see it that way."

Political operatives
Mark Salter, former top adviser to John McCain — "Whatever Hillary Clinton’s faults, she’s not ignorant or hateful or a nut. She acts like an adult and understands the responsibilities of an American president. That might not be a ringing endorsement. But in 2016, the year of Trump’s s campaign, it’s more than enough."
Mike Treiser, former Mitt Romney aide — "In the face of bigotry, hatred, violence, and small-mindedness, this time, I’m with her.”
Craig Snyder, former chief of staff to then-Republican former senator Arlen Specter (Pa.) and also an ex-colleague of former top Trump adviser Roger Stone and current top Trump adviser Paul Manafort.

Journalists
Ben Howe, editor at RedState.com

Meet the big-name Republicans supporting Hillary Clinton

**longway** · 31-07-2016, 11:13 PM

^ and there you go, as usual I was right. You guys are so odious you have a bunch of war mongering loons on your side.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by longway

the neocons in the rethug party support hitlery

You're a dolt. Did you not watch the Rethug convention. Tom Cotton, Jeff Sessions, Mike Flynn. All hardline neocons.

It's time to put away the crack pipe and smell the coffee.

GOP hawks declare war on Trump - POLITICO

Trump isn't even a Republican, he had just taken over their party, and the losers have come running to the other branch of the uniparty.

**harrybarracuda** · 01-08-2016, 01:07 AM

Originally Posted by longway

^ and there you go, as usual I was right. You guys are so odious you have a bunch of war mongering loons on your side.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by longway

the neocons in the rethug party support hitlery

You're a dolt. Did you not watch the Rethug convention. Tom Cotton, Jeff Sessions, Mike Flynn. All hardline neocons.

It's time to put away the crack pipe and smell the coffee.

GOP hawks declare war on Trump - POLITICO

Trump isn't even a Republican, he had just taken over their party, and the losers have come running to the other branch of the uniparty.

If taking over the party is the same as commandeering the votes of the witless fucks that vote Republican, then yes he has.

Which goes to show what a shallow pile of shit the GOP has been for decades anyway.

Just a bunch of greedy fuckers being paid by a bunch of very rich greedy fuckers to manipulate the terminally stupid.

**Dragonfly** · 01-08-2016, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by longway

and there you go, as usual I was right. You guys are so odious you have a bunch of war mongering loons on your side.

exactly, and we wonder why she has no support from "real" folks ?

she is the Bush Legacy, much worse than Obama who at least try to change things but failed

America needs a killer as President that will nuke that silly precious Washington establishment

Trump is a New-Yorker, with a New-York attitude, exactly what's needed for that job

**longway** · 01-08-2016, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by longway

^ and there you go, as usual I was right. You guys are so odious you have a bunch of war mongering loons on your side.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by longway

the neocons in the rethug party support hitlery

You're a dolt. Did you not watch the Rethug convention. Tom Cotton, Jeff Sessions, Mike Flynn. All hardline neocons.

It's time to put away the crack pipe and smell the coffee.

GOP hawks declare war on Trump - POLITICO

Trump isn't even a Republican, he had just taken over their party, and the losers have come running to the other branch of the uniparty.

If taking over the party is the same as commandeering the votes of the witless fucks that vote Republican, then yes he has.

Which goes to show what a shallow pile of shit the GOP has been for decades anyway.

Just a bunch of greedy fuckers being paid by a bunch of very rich greedy fuckers to manipulate the terminally stupid.

Yes and that is why these war mongering shills are endorsing Shillary.

**harrybarracuda** · 01-08-2016, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by longway

Yes and that is why these war mongering shills are endorsing Shillary.

I think they're endorsing Clinton because they know Trump will fuck up everything he touches.

**longway** · 01-08-2016, 01:12 PM

^ whatever they managed to miss fucking up, hitlery has found and fucked it up.

**Dragonfly** · 01-08-2016, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I think they're endorsing Clinton because they know Trump will fuck up everything he touches.

right, because GW Bush which had their support didn't fucked up everything he touched ?

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