Thread: 2016 Democratic US Presidential Candidates

Originally Posted by MrG

Trump is vulnerable simpley because he has no substance, only bully. And it shows.

Exactly. It's gonna be huuuuuge and threatening to punch people might work in Republican Primary-land but on a national stage at a national debate when he's asked questions like how he's going to fund his proposed tax cuts bullying just ain't gonna cut it.

He has already handed the Dems a loaded gun, they just need to pull the trigger.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Let's not kid ourselves. He's got the dumb vote locked up

I don't doubt that at all, however as much as I may seem critical of the U.S. at times I still have faith that there are enough people out there (Dem and Republican) who recognize that Trump would be an unmitigated disaster as President at it's those people - the moderates - who will decide the election, not the wingnuts and loons (no matter how vocal they are).

Actually I'd equate it to the TD forum.

At first glance it might seem that the American posters on here are a bunch of Sweet Baby Jesus, gun lovin', right-wing nutters. However it only seems that way because that minority group are the most vocal. Look closer and most of the American posters on here are sensible, normal and intelligent enough. Same as anywhere really, they just tend to get drowned out and/or unfairly grouped in.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

He's going to issue an Executive Order to Mexico to tell them to pay for a wall??

That deal is already sorted. It's brilliant and it's HUGE!

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

I still have faith that there are enough people out there (Dem and Republican) who recognize that Trump would be an unmitigated disaster as President

'Cos they've never voted an entitled moron to be President in the past.

Oh, wait...

What do you base this faith on, ant? Or is it just 'faith' like - 'walking on water, turning water into wine' type faith?

Originally Posted by cyrille

'Cos they've never voted an entitled moron to be President in the past.

Not quite like this entitled moron!

Originally Posted by cyrille

What do you base this faith on, ant? Or is it just 'faith' like - 'walking on water, turning water into wine' type faith?

General faith really I suppose.

I just think that these campaigning processes give whackjobs a voice and platform but at the end of the day - and this could go for most if not all countries - no matter how vocal the fringe elements it's the 'normal' people who just want what is best for them and their families that carry these things.

Of course I could ultimately be wrong in which case my faith in humanity will be shaken and I'll probably go live in a cave somewhere.

Originally Posted by spliff

That deal is already sorted. It's brilliant and it's HUGE!

You're not helping my faith in humanity, spliff.

Originally Posted by cyrille

'Cos they've never voted an entitled moron to be President in the past.

Gross generalities appear to be your strong suit.

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Could she just refuse to debate him? Almost seems to me like she has the most to lose. We already know that no matter what shite comes out of his pie hole his supporters are going to lap it up.

Not so sure about that.
Trump is vulnerable simpley because he has no substance, only bully. And it shows.
Hillary is smart and a skilled debater. Donald is neither and at his best on the shcool yard.
And when the pull out the file they have on him.... Donald will wish he ran for Putin's job.

I don't know man. He's punk'd all his Republican foes and Cruz is supposedly one of the best debaters. And not only that but he's played all the moderators.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Gross generalities appear to be your strong suit.

Flames that don't really work seem to be yours.

In what sense is that a generality? Maybe you need to look that up.

Perhaps you mean 'generalisations', but it isn't one of those either.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Of course I could ultimately be wrong in which case my faith in humanity will be shaken and I'll probably go live in a cave somewhere.

Hate to break the news to ya Anthony, but living in Chiang Mai with NZ passport already qualifies you as a cave dweller.

In-depth and insightful analysis of the topic as per usual, Earl.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Could she just refuse to debate him? Almost seems to me like she has the most to lose. We already know that no matter what shite comes out of his pie hole his supporters are going to lap it up.

Not so sure about that.
Trump is vulnerable simpley because he has no substance, only bully. And it shows.
Hillary is smart and a skilled debater. Donald is neither and at his best on the shcool yard.
And when the pull out the file they have on him.... Donald will wish he ran for Putin's job.

I don't know man. He's punk'd all his Republican foes and Cruz is supposedly one of the best debaters. And not only that but he's played all the moderators.

It could be he wants a negative campaign, he is a great tactician, he may be just a good a strategist, its where he thrives, he could be making himself a target rich environment on purpose to entice Dillary to go negative on him.

Then he will drag her down to his level, and fight the battles on the terrain of his choosing.

Originally Posted by cyrille

generality? Maybe you need to look that up.
Perhaps you mean 'generalisations'

They're synonyms. Look it up.

Originally Posted by longway

You base your ability to continue to post on this forum on the faith that the US public will see things your way.

Not quite, no.

I base it on the belief that the larger percentage of the voting public are more informed on the issue(s) then the smaller - but more vocal - kind that feel the need to punctuate political analysis with little fat dancing men.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Of course I could ultimately be wrong in which case my faith in humanity will be shaken and I'll probably go live in a cave somewhere.

Hate to break the news to ya Anthony, but living in Chiang Mai with NZ passport already qualifies you as a cave dweller.

Personally Earl I think Troglodyte is far better description .

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by cyrille

generality? Maybe you need to look that up.
Perhaps you mean 'generalisations'

They're synonyms. Look it up.

Yes they are synonyms, but 'generality' does not collocate with 'gross' in the sense that you meant.

No answer to my main point, I see.

Righto.

America elected George W Bush. You may or may not agree that he is a moron, either way my comment was not a generality.

Don't expect you to address that point as you were clearly wrong.

Originally Posted by longway

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Could she just refuse to debate him? Almost seems to me like she has the most to lose. We already know that no matter what shite comes out of his pie hole his supporters are going to lap it up.

Not so sure about that.
Trump is vulnerable simpley because he has no substance, only bully. And it shows.
Hillary is smart and a skilled debater. Donald is neither and at his best on the shcool yard.
And when the pull out the file they have on him.... Donald will wish he ran for Putin's job.

I don't know man. He's punk'd all his Republican foes and Cruz is supposedly one of the best debaters. And not only that but he's played all the moderators.

It could be he wants a negative campaign, he is a great tactician, he may be just a good a strategist, its where he thrives, he could be making himself a target rich environment on purpose to entice Dillary to go negative on him.

Then he will drag her down to his level, and fight the battles on the terrain of his choosing.

I don't think he'll change his tactics at all. He'll treat Clinton exactly the same way he has treated his Republican opponents. Trying to come across as articulate, stately and dignified hasn't worked for Raphael Cruz and I doubt it will work for her. She runs the risk of looking weak. Look we're talking about a billionaire here ... this guy isn't going to show one iota of respect to her in a debate.

Reminds me of the thread bsnub started about anti-intellectualism ... nobody is better at it than Trump.

^ Its where he thrives, but I think he is trying to tempt her to go negative, it just makes opening up on her easier. She is a woman after all, and she can play the damsel in distress card if he goes goes off on her without her at least making the first jab; after that she is fair game.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Reminds me of the thread bsnub started about anti-intellectualism ... nobody is better at it than Trump.

No argument there.

Do you think the Hilary camp started off hoping Trump would get the nomination because they believed Clinton would beat him comfortably?

Or have they always dreaded Donald?

Originally Posted by longway

She is a woman after all, and she can play the damsel in distress card if he goes goes off on her without her at least making the first jab; after that she is fair game.

You see that speaks volumes.

Hillary is a bit shit and there are many, many legitimate grounds upon which to question her ability or qualifications to be President.

Being a woman and possessing a vagina isn't one of those things.

^^ She is a classic shallow end politician in the mould of Bush; drag her into deep waters and she will drown.

Look at Bush; Trump played with him like an orca plays with a seal before eating it. Jeb had to bring in his mum and then (symbolically) his big brother as well on his home turf, thinking he would be safe now.

Trump gave them both the political equivalent of atomic wedgies and sent them packing with a kick up the arse.

Originally Posted by longway

Its where he thrives, but I think he is trying to tempt her to go negative, it just makes opening up on her easier. She is a woman after all, and she can play the damsel in distress card if he goes goes off on her without her at least making the first jab; after that she is fair game.

He's definitely going to be dismissive of anything she has to stay.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Or have they always dreaded Donald?

No idea but I doubt she saw him getting the Republican nomination. Who did?

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

He's definitely going to be dismissive of anything she has to stay.

I don't think we are disagreeing about much, but i guess the difference is that I think he trying to ensure he has the right frame in place before starting on her; it will make things easier for him.