Thread: 2016 Democratic US Presidential Candidates

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Originally Posted by piwanoi

I just ran a Google search DO BERNIE SANDERS SUMS ADD UP? there was quite a few article's, all said a resounding no they did not add up , here is just one of them A vote for what? | The Economist

The article you posted wasn't a resounding no on the sums piwi...it was a no in chances of getting the policies through congress.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

It was referenced to illustrate an example, Earl.

That was pretty clear from the context of the post. Does everything really have to be dumbed down to the nth degree for you (yes, that's a rhetorical question).

It makes you, yet again, guilty of abusing the English language.

Moderators! Off with his bloody head!

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

It makes you, yet again, guilty of abusing the English language.

How about you learn to read and write properly before critiquing anyone else. When you try to be clever it never quite works for you.

You can start with this: "2016 Democratic US Presidential Candidates".

Am I a 2016 Democratic US Presidential Candidate, Earl?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

And while you are at it, explain how he's going to deport 12 million people without due process.

And how he's going to get Mexico to pay for a wall.

Executive orders just like Obama

He's going to issue an Executive Order to Mexico to tell them to pay for a wall??

Originally Posted by Humbert

^So what? Since when is it a crime to not be well off?

Who said anything about a crime, but I think you could call him a government leach at the least.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by RPETER65

The Politico piece on Bernie Sanders is built around his weird personal life and who the mother of his kids is, but that's of less interest and less surprise when dealing with leftists back then. Equally unsurprising and telling, Bernie Sanders was unemployable outside politics and seems to have financed everything with dubiously obtained unemployment checks.

We're told that "He read Marx, Lenin and Trotsky." Like them, he wasn't big on working. Marx lived off Engels. Sanders lived off Uncle Sam.

"That summer, not quite 23, he and his wife, Deborah Sanders, bought for $2,500 some property in Vermont, near Montpelier in the town of Middlesex off Shady Rill Road, according to property records."

Where did the money come from?

"He explained the origin of the money Sanders used to buy the Middlesex land and the carpentry he did on the sugar shack. He said Sanders received unemployment, “for a few months,” in 1971, though Sanders can’t remember what the job was that qualified him for the benefits."

But living off unemployment was the Sanders way.

“The electricity was turned off a lot,” Barnett said. “I remember him running an extension cord down to the basement. He couldn’t pay his bills.”

He worked some as a carpenter, although “he was a shitty carpenter,” Bloch told me. “His carpentry,” Morrisseau said, “was not going to support him, and didn’t.”...

“He was always poor,” Sandy Baird, another old friend, told me in Burlington.

“Virtually unemployed,” said Nelson, the political science professor at the University of Vermont.

“Just one step above hand to mouth,” said Terry Bouricius, who was involved with Liberty Union, served at times as a de facto campaign manager for Sanders and at one point crashed for a couple months on his couch.

Liberty Union “people found it difficult to support themselves while engaging in full-time political work,” Michael Parenti, one of those people, wrote in the Massachusetts Review in the summer of 1975. “Some held jobs that allowed free time for campaign activities, while others lived off unemployment insurance.”

Sanders, according to an article in 1974 in the Bennington Banner, was one of them. He was on unemployment for a few months in 1971. In subsequent Liberty Union campaigns he advocated for “the doing away with all time limitations for unemployment benefits.”



I bet.

All this stuff is tediously predictable. The hardest core leftists tend to be unemployable. Or as their comrades in the USSR would have called them, parasites.

Bernie Sanders was a terrible carpenter, but he could really go all out when it came to unemployment. When he had actually had to find work, that consisted of driving around showing a filmstrip about leftist Eugene Debs. He spent most of his life in government because there's nothing else he can do.

And, as the article shows, he's been shouting the exact same things since at least the 70s. His radio address in 1973 is the same exact speech as the one he's giving now about, about two Americas and corporations controlling everything. He has no new ideas or any ideas period.

The article even tells us that he saw himself as a 30s old leftist making him ideologically older than his years.

Bernie Sanders can only exist when being paid by taxpayers.

Bernie Sanders Lived Off Unemployment, Couldn't Get a ...
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Two excellent articles RP which gets down to the nitty gritty of the guy, of course you may experience a few personal insults for having the sheer temerity for posting them

You probably already know personal insults are not new to me.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by Humbert

^So what? Since when is it a crime to not be well off?

Its not and the hardship he experienced in his early life helped to shape him into the person he is today. The right wing blogs repeater666 has quoted are exaggerations without any proof anyways.

Take a look at all the morons running on the Republican ticket. All of them entitled and aside from Trump none of them accomplished squat in the private sector.

Who needs proof when his acquaintances were giving the low down, and how do you back up the exaggeration part.

Entitled? More like successfull in there chosen endeavors.

Why don't you just admit it two buffoons, one lying carrier criminal, and one over the hill ex-hippy socialist who couldn't get and keep a job in his chosen field, and couldn't keep a carpenters job when he did get that.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

And while you are at it, explain how he's going to deport 12 million people without due process.

And how he's going to get Mexico to pay for a wall.

Executive orders just like Obama

Yes, I look forward to the look of complete amazement from the President of Mexico before he wipes his arse with it and throws it back.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Why don't you just admit it two buffoons, one lying carrier criminal, and one over the hill ex-hippy socialist who couldn't get and keep a job in his chosen field, and couldn't keep a carpenters job when he did get that.

Two young idealists back in the early seventies. Were you around then Repeater? It was a different time. I knew a lot of kids like him. I admire him. Not everyone wanted to work for DuPont and make napalm.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by Humbert

^So what? Since when is it a crime to not be well off?

Who said anything about a crime, but I think you could call him a government leach at the least.

RP, Being I was born 4-5-41, I know you will not take offence with a remark like that when I say that's my boy! But if I may slightly correct you here , there is no such thing as Government money as in the end it all comes from the tax payer, and the cradle to the grave Socialist Dogma is quite OK I suppose , that is until they run out of other peoples money

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by Humbert

^So what? Since when is it a crime to not be well off?

Its not and the hardship he experienced in his early life helped to shape him into the person he is today. The right wing blogs repeater666 has quoted are exaggerations without any proof anyways.

Take a look at all the morons running on the Republican ticket. All of them entitled and aside from Trump none of them accomplished squat in the private sector.

Who needs proof when his acquaintances were giving the low down, and how do you back up the exaggeration part.

Entitled? More like successfull in there chosen endeavors.

Why don't you just admit it two buffoons, one lying carrier criminal, and one over the hill ex-hippy socialist who couldn't get and keep a job in his chosen field, and couldn't keep a carpenters job when he did get that.

Now now RP , digging up the truth is causing so much indignation and embarrassment and must cease forthwith or else you will be reported to the mods AGAIN

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by RPETER65

The Politico piece on Bernie Sanders is built around his weird personal life and who the mother of his kids is, but that's of less interest and less surprise when dealing with leftists back then. Equally unsurprising and telling, Bernie Sanders was unemployable outside politics and seems to have financed everything with dubiously obtained unemployment checks.

We're told that "He read Marx, Lenin and Trotsky." Like them, he wasn't big on working. Marx lived off Engels. Sanders lived off Uncle Sam.

"That summer, not quite 23, he and his wife, Deborah Sanders, bought for $2,500 some property in Vermont, near Montpelier in the town of Middlesex off Shady Rill Road, according to property records."

Where did the money come from?

"He explained the origin of the money Sanders used to buy the Middlesex land and the carpentry he did on the sugar shack. He said Sanders received unemployment, “for a few months,” in 1971, though Sanders can’t remember what the job was that qualified him for the benefits."

But living off unemployment was the Sanders way.

“The electricity was turned off a lot,” Barnett said. “I remember him running an extension cord down to the basement. He couldn’t pay his bills.”

He worked some as a carpenter, although “he was a shitty carpenter,” Bloch told me. “His carpentry,” Morrisseau said, “was not going to support him, and didn’t.”...

“He was always poor,” Sandy Baird, another old friend, told me in Burlington.

“Virtually unemployed,” said Nelson, the political science professor at the University of Vermont.

“Just one step above hand to mouth,” said Terry Bouricius, who was involved with Liberty Union, served at times as a de facto campaign manager for Sanders and at one point crashed for a couple months on his couch.

Liberty Union “people found it difficult to support themselves while engaging in full-time political work,” Michael Parenti, one of those people, wrote in the Massachusetts Review in the summer of 1975. “Some held jobs that allowed free time for campaign activities, while others lived off unemployment insurance.”

Sanders, according to an article in 1974 in the Bennington Banner, was one of them. He was on unemployment for a few months in 1971. In subsequent Liberty Union campaigns he advocated for “the doing away with all time limitations for unemployment benefits.”



I bet.

All this stuff is tediously predictable. The hardest core leftists tend to be unemployable. Or as their comrades in the USSR would have called them, parasites.

Bernie Sanders was a terrible carpenter, but he could really go all out when it came to unemployment. When he had actually had to find work, that consisted of driving around showing a filmstrip about leftist Eugene Debs. He spent most of his life in government because there's nothing else he can do.

And, as the article shows, he's been shouting the exact same things since at least the 70s. His radio address in 1973 is the same exact speech as the one he's giving now about, about two Americas and corporations controlling everything. He has no new ideas or any ideas period.

The article even tells us that he saw himself as a 30s old leftist making him ideologically older than his years.

Bernie Sanders can only exist when being paid by taxpayers.

Bernie Sanders Lived Off Unemployment, Couldn't Get a ...
FPM | Frontpage Mag › point › bernie...

Two excellent articles RP which gets down to the nitty gritty of the guy, of course you may experience a few personal insults for having the sheer temerity for posting them

You probably already know personal insults are not new to me.

Quite true, a sure sign they can't take you on and have to resort to silly name calling as a substitute

Originally Posted by Troy

Originally Posted by Troy

I think he was talking protectionism by imposing huuuge tariffs on imported goods

Originally Posted by longway

^ He wants to renegotiate the deals, if possible, to include issues like currency manipulation and reciprocal access to foreign markets, China does not hold all the cards, the USA does, but all western governments have betrayed their citizens in signing up to these demonstrably unfair trade deals.

Like the Steel tariffs that Bush imposed in 2002? That went down a treat with the result of lower production, increased cost and increased unemployment...not to mention a very disgruntled international community.

Originally Posted by longway

Its clear that the most vocal opposition to Trump have no idea what his campaign is based on.

Would you like to explain the policies Trump has in the pipeline to implement his wishes with respect to major US companies outsourcing abroad?

From what I remember he wants to offset the currency manipulation by China through tariffs, and then get corporations back into the USA by lowering corporate tax rates. I believe he also wants to levy a one time tax of 10% on overseas profits of us corporations.

We have gone so far the the path of the rigged trade deals there are all kinds of structural bottlenecks and distortions to overcome.

I think at the end of the day, there is a straight up choice between lower priced consumer goods and decent jobs and having a manufacturing industry. He is not against free trade, but wants it to be fair trade.

And all that at a mere snip of $9.5 trillion over the first 10 years and $15 trillion in the following decade.

But that's ok, it's going to be huuuuuuge!

Analysis: Trump tax plan would cost $9.5 trillion | TheHill

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

And while you are at it, explain how he's going to deport 12 million people without due process.

And how he's going to get Mexico to pay for a wall.

Mexico makes a lot of money from the usa; they can either pay for it directly, or pay for through tariffs levied on mexican goods.

I can't see any way that he can realistically deport so many illegal migrants on the timelines he is talking about.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by longway

He wants to renegotiate the deals, if possible, to include issues like currency manipulation and reciprocal access to foreign markets, China does not hold all the cards, the USA does, but all western governments have betrayed their citizens in signing up to these demonstrably unfair trade deals.
And there are more trade deals waiting to be signed again negotiated in terms that harm the prosperity of the USA; Sanders makes much of same points, so you can tell him how fucked up its going to get too.
^^ The trade deals have long since backfired for ordinary citizens of western europe and the USA; they are negotiated in terms that beneficial to large multi national corporations; China is literally sucking us dry.
Its clear that the most vocal opposition to Trump have no idea what his campaign is based on.

What a larf. The fact is most of his American supporters have no friggin idea what his campaign or policies are about. They just like his brazen attitude and don't give a damn about his preposterous policy promises. I understand why some Americans would fall for this shite but for a foreigner, like Longway, to support Trump is beyond stupid.

The same can be said of supporters of all the candidates.

Personally I think you are beyond stupid not to understand that Shillary and every other candidate is worse than Trump; Sanders is an exception in many ways; I don't know if either of these guys' plans have any chance in succeeding, but I would like them to at least try.

It's difficult for me to buy the case that they would be irresponsible when you look at the mess the so called 'moderate' politicians have made; they are not moderate, but extremists who create war all over the world and pursue world altering policies catered to serving special interest groups without allowing any check from their citizens

Originally Posted by longway

Mexico makes a lot of money from the usa; they can either pay for it directly, or pay for through tariffs levied on mexican goods.

Neither of which are realistic, workable, real-world solutions. Mexico makes money selling goods and services to the U.S. and people there pay for them because they are competitively priced. Adding a tariff - probably illegally anyway - would change that.

And pay for it directly? He can yell until he's blue in the face for all the good it will do. What's Spanish for 'go fuck yourself, el Trumpo'?

There's a disconnect between what some blustering big-mouth blow hard claims he will do and what he can actually do. Him and his supporters live in a fantasy world.

Originally Posted by longway

From what I remember he wants to offset the currency manipulation by China through tariffs, and then get corporations back into the USA by lowering corporate tax rates. I believe he also wants to levy a one time tax of 10% on overseas profits of us corporations.

We have gone so far the the path of the rigged trade deals there are all kinds of structural bottlenecks and distortions to overcome.

I think at the end of the day, there is a straight up choice between lower priced consumer goods and decent jobs and having a manufacturing industry. He is not against free trade, but wants it to be fair trade.

So what do you think the Chinese would do if POTUS imposed tariffs on Chinese goods?

You can't go to war with tariffs, China would have no way out but to fuck the US up, and you damned sure can't do it with currency because the dollar is a bubble ready to burst.

It would be economic suicide.

Trump doesn't have a clue what he's talking about (nor does he care), and neither do his supporters.

You can tell by the way the cvnt has had his "luxury" branded goods made in Chinese sweatshops so he can squeeze the last cent out of gullible fucking idiots.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by longway

Mexico makes a lot of money from the usa; they can either pay for it directly, or pay for through tariffs levied on mexican goods.

Neither of which are realistic, workable, real-world solutions. Mexico makes money selling goods and services to the U.S. and people there pay for them because they are competitively priced. Adding a tariff - probably illegally anyway - would change that.

And pay for it directly? He can yell until he's blue in the face for all the good it will do. What's Spanish for 'go fuck yourself, el Trumpo'?

There's a disconnect between what some blustering big-mouth blow hard claims he will do and what he can actually do. Him and his supporters live in a fantasy world.

The cost of the wall is a few billion dollars, the profits that Mexico makes per year on trade with the USA is 10s of billions of dollars, not to mention the enormous sums well connected mexicans must be skimming off, they will do what they are told.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by longway

From what I remember he wants to offset the currency manipulation by China through tariffs, and then get corporations back into the USA by lowering corporate tax rates. I believe he also wants to levy a one time tax of 10% on overseas profits of us corporations.

We have gone so far the the path of the rigged trade deals there are all kinds of structural bottlenecks and distortions to overcome.

I think at the end of the day, there is a straight up choice between lower priced consumer goods and decent jobs and having a manufacturing industry. He is not against free trade, but wants it to be fair trade.

So what do you think the Chinese would do if POTUS imposed tariffs on Chinese goods?

You can't go to war with tariffs, China would have no way out but to fuck the US up, and you damned sure can't do it with currency because the dollar is a bubble ready to burst.

It would be economic suicide.

Trump doesn't have a clue what he's talking about (nor does he care), and neither do his supporters.

You can tell by the way the cvnt has had his "luxury" branded goods made in Chinese sweatshops so he can squeeze the last cent out of gullible fucking idiots.

To be honest 'harry' i have never seen you ever have a clue of what you are talking about.

Originally Posted by longway

The cost of the wall is a few billion dollars, the profits that Mexico makes per year on trade with the USA is 10s of billions of dollars, not to mention the enormous sums well connected mexicans must be skimming off, they will do what they are told.

The profits that they make are just that: their profits.

Trump can't make them do anything no matter how many angry tweets he sends. This is the real world, not a Hollywood western where sheriff Trump can demand another sovereign nation bow to him and acquiesce to his demands.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by longway

^ Again there is no attempt to debate the issues only ad hominen attacks. Whether I harbour a hatred or not is irrelevant; what is relevant are the points I bring up.

I despise her, and my reasons for despising her are well laid out. Its got nothing to do with her sex, but her record.

blah blah blah

We realise you're worried that you're going to lose your bet; just accept that you backed the wrong horse.

My bet couldn't be going better at this stage. I made the bet long before the primaries started, and look at how he has performed; it is phenomenal. My judgement so far has clearly been excellent, you guys have been saying he hasn't a chance for ages, you are obviously clueless, and when antrobertson made the wager he didn't even expect Trump to win any primaries.

He is well on course. In my estimation he will make mince-meat of Shillary, and have a harder time with Sanders, but I would prefer a Sanders-Trump contest as it would be a very interesting race.

If I am wrong, I am wrong, but how could my wager be going any better at this stage? ant is following me around picking childish arguments with me; he is the one sweating bullets.