Thread: 2016 Democratic US Presidential Candidates

 Hillary Clinton loves black people. And black people love Hillary—or so it seems. Black politicians have lined up in droves to endorse her, eager to prove their loyalty to the Clintons in the hopes that their faithfulness will be remembered and rewarded. Black pastors are opening their church doors, and the Clintons are making themselves comfortably at home once again, engaging effortlessly in all the usual rituals associated with “courting the black vote,” a pursuit that typically begins and ends with Democratic politicians making black people feel liked and taken seriously. Doing something concrete to improve the conditions under which most black people live is generally not required.
Hillary is looking to gain momentum on the campaign trail as the primaries move out of Iowa and New Hampshire and into states like South Carolina, where large pockets of black voters can be found. According to some polls, she leads Bernie Sanders by as much as 60 percent among African Americans. It seems that we—black people—are her winning card, one that Hillary is eager to play.
And it seems we’re eager to get played. Again.
The love affair between black folks and the Clintons has been going on for a long time. It began back in 1992, when Bill Clinton was running for president. He threw on some shades and played the saxophone on The Arsenio Hall Show. It seems silly in retrospect, but many of us fell for that. At a time when a popular slogan was “It’s a black thing, you wouldn’t understand,” Bill Clinton seemed to get us. When Toni Morrison dubbed him our first black president, we nodded our heads. We had our boy in the White House. Or at least we thought we did.

 Black voters have been remarkably loyal to the Clintons for more than 25 years. It’s true that we eventually lined up behind Barack Obama in 2008, but it’s a measure of the Clinton allure that Hillary led Obama among black voters until he started winning caucuses and primaries. Now Hillary is running again. This time she’s facing a democratic socialist who promises a political revolution that will bring universal healthcare, a living wage, an end to rampant Wall Street greed, and the dismantling of the vast prison state—many of the same goals that Martin Luther King Jr. championed at the end of his life. Even so, black folks are sticking with the Clinton brand.
What have the Clintons done to earn such devotion? Did they take extreme political risks to defend the rights of African Americans? Did they courageously stand up to right-wing demagoguery about black communities? Did they help usher in a new era of hope and prosperity for neighborhoods devastated by deindustrialization, globalization, and the disappearance of work?
No. Quite the opposite.



More: Why Hillary Clinton Doesn?t Deserve the Black Vote | The Nation




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Originally Posted by Troy

 Hillary Clinton loves black people. And black people love Hillary—or so it seems. Black politicians have lined up in droves to endorse her, eager to prove their loyalty to the Clintons in the hopes that their faithfulness will be remembered and rewarded. Black pastors are opening their church doors, and the Clintons are making themselves comfortably at home once again, engaging effortlessly in all the usual rituals associated with “courting the black vote,” a pursuit that typically begins and ends with Democratic politicians making black people feel liked and taken seriously. Doing something concrete to improve the conditions under which most black people live is generally not required.
Hillary is looking to gain momentum on the campaign trail as the primaries move out of Iowa and New Hampshire and into states like South Carolina, where large pockets of black voters can be found. According to some polls, she leads Bernie Sanders by as much as 60 percent among African Americans. It seems that we—black people—are her winning card, one that Hillary is eager to play.
And it seems we’re eager to get played. Again.
The love affair between black folks and the Clintons has been going on for a long time. It began back in 1992, when Bill Clinton was running for president. He threw on some shades and played the saxophone on The Arsenio Hall Show. It seems silly in retrospect, but many of us fell for that. At a time when a popular slogan was “It’s a black thing, you wouldn’t understand,” Bill Clinton seemed to get us. When Toni Morrison dubbed him our first black president, we nodded our heads. We had our boy in the White House. Or at least we thought we did.

 Black voters have been remarkably loyal to the Clintons for more than 25 years. It’s true that we eventually lined up behind Barack Obama in 2008, but it’s a measure of the Clinton allure that Hillary led Obama among black voters until he started winning caucuses and primaries. Now Hillary is running again. This time she’s facing a democratic socialist who promises a political revolution that will bring universal healthcare, a living wage, an end to rampant Wall Street greed, and the dismantling of the vast prison state—many of the same goals that Martin Luther King Jr. championed at the end of his life. Even so, black folks are sticking with the Clinton brand.
What have the Clintons done to earn such devotion? Did they take extreme political risks to defend the rights of African Americans? Did they courageously stand up to right-wing demagoguery about black communities? Did they help usher in a new era of hope and prosperity for neighborhoods devastated by deindustrialization, globalization, and the disappearance of work?
No. Quite the opposite.

More: Why Hillary Clinton Doesn?t Deserve the Black Vote | The Nation

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again?

Originally Posted by Black Heart

This article is an Op-Ed on "why Hillery does not deserve the black vote."

But it notes that she leads Sander in the black vote by up to 60%
"according to some polls."

Could this / will this be a factor in certain primaries, depending on the
demographics and the turnout? Can Sanders increase his support among blacks?

Why Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Deserve the Black Vote
From the crime bill to welfare reform, policies Bill Clinton enacted—and Hillary Clinton supported—decimated black America.

By Michelle AlexanderYESTERDAY 6:00 AM

Hillary Clinton loves black people. And black people love Hillary—or so it seems. Black politicians have lined up in droves to endorse her, eager to prove their loyalty to the Clintons in the hopes that their faithfulness will be remembered and rewarded. Black pastors are opening their church doors, and the Clintons are making themselves comfortably at home once again, engaging effortlessly in all the usual rituals associated with “courting the black vote,” a pursuit that typically begins and ends with Democratic politicians making black people feel liked and taken seriously. Doing something concrete to improve the conditions under which most black people live is generally not required.

Hillary is looking to gain momentum on the campaign trail as the primaries move out of Iowa and New Hampshire and into states like South Carolina, where large pockets of black voters can be found. According to some polls, she leads Bernie Sanders by as much as 60 percent among African Americans. It seems that we—black people—are her winning card, one that Hillary is eager to play.

And it seems we’re eager to get played. Again.

entire: Why Hillary Clinton Doesn?t Deserve the Black Vote | The Nation

I put this article in the Dem candidate thread in SC a day or two ago.

The black vote will be important in South Carolina.

The article is worth a read or scan.

Originally Posted by Black Heart

I put this article in the Dem candidate thread in SC a day or two ago.

The black vote will be important in South Carolina.

The article is worth a read or scan.

Yeah I would have thought that this article is worth a read too Blog: Hillary?s no-win situation at Goldman Sachs worsening as content of her paid speeches leaking out

Oh What a tangled web we weave Ed Mezvinsky ? Father of the Groom : snopes.com

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by longway

trump saying is the the 'man' for the job is sexist

I never said that.

That's the point that you consistently miss: Hillary campaigning on being a woman is not sexist.

You're simply projecting your own sexism.

The denial and hypocrisy meter cranked up to infinity and beyond.

Trump is not campaigning on being a man, no-one else save Hypocritallary is using their sex or ethnicity in any campaign.

Cue some nitwit to tell me I am mansplaining.

Among many other things It takes balls and self respect to run a Country , however it proved beyond a shadow of a doubt with her hubby Billy blowjob that Hilarious Clinton has neither

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by longway

the 'gender' pay gap does not exist

Originally Posted by longway

a 'gender' wage gap is no more than a few cents at most

Originally Posted by longway

there is no 'gender' wage gap

There isn't, there is, there isn't... Make up your mind!

Whatever decision you finally come to just be aware that there actually is a proven gender pay gap.

The 'gender pay gap' is a non-issue | Institute of Economic Affairs

Regular readers of economics will know that despite common myths to the contrary, the reality is there isn't much of an unfair pay gap between genders. As the economy has become more service-based, coupled with increased technology that make domestic work less time-consuming, and ‘women's lib’, the wage gap that used to exist has narrowed so much that it has equalised. In fact, if you just look at males and females in their 20s and 30s, females earn slightly more. Obviously this tails off in the late 30s and 40s as motherhood becomes the primary driving force in the re-introduction of a wage gap - but it's not to do with discrimination, it is to do with biology and life choices.

The truth about the bs 'gender' wage gap. The one that Liarlly pretends is due to discrimination, (as do many others) its just sexist demagoguery, lying to get votes. There is an income gap over a lifetime, but fcuk all to do with employer discrimination.

There's an interesting paper from health economist Heather Brown who observes that single women with a higher BMI (body mass index) tend to earn higher wages than similar women with a lower BMI. Married men also have a wage rate that is positively related to their BMI - the more weight they carry the higher their wages tend to be. The opposite is true for single men and married women - there is a negative correlation between their age rate and BMI - the more weight they carry the lower their wages tend to be.

interesting nugget, the reason for the difference is explained in the article.

Interesting article Blog: Bernie Sanders?s first promise has already fallen on its face

Originally Posted by longway

Cue some nitwit to tell me I am mansplaining.

I wouldn't call it 'mansplaining'. I think the term is lying.

Serious Question? Blog: Debbie Wasserman Schultz asked to explain how Hillary lost NH primary by 22% but came away with same number of delegates

^^Disgusting.

I reckon Bernie will use that in his stump speeches now and to flog Clinton with in the next debate.

^ Ladreth, I assume that graph is current or very recent.

The Black vote of 70 HRC 30 Sanders is a large gap but I wonder how relevant or non-relevant it may or may not be.

In the South Carolina primary I think it's relevant.

With the number of registered black voters that will vote, spread across fifty state, I wonder what the specific states are, that the black vote may, based on the black percentage of the population in the Dem primaries.

Looks like its getting a wee bit personal, the video on the TRHS is interesting although I have no horse in the race it seems as if Sanders says it right On stage and off, Hillary Clinton-Bernie Sanders contest turns testy - CNNPolitics.com

Originally Posted by longway

Trump is not campaigning on being a man, no-one else save Hypocritallary is using their sex or ethnicity in any campaign.

Cue some nitwit to tell me I am mansplaining.

Not mansplaining near as I can tell. Just entirely incorrect, projecting your own sexism and apparently a little naive about what campaigning involves.

As far as i can tell, there hasn't been a poll in SC since Jan 28.

I can't see Bernie swinging a 64 / 27 gap all the way but it would be nice if it were to narrow dramatically.

Nevada Polls have gone from 50 / 27 to 45 / 45 ....

How will Hillary handle the pressure?

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Originally Posted by piwanoi

although I have no horse in the race

. . . which explains your even-handed position on the candidates

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by longway

Trump is not campaigning on being a man, no-one else save Hypocritallary is using their sex or ethnicity in any campaign.

Cue some nitwit to tell me I am mansplaining.

Not mansplaining near as I can tell. Just entirely incorrect, projecting your own sexism and apparently a little naive about what campaigning involves.

He's just shitting bricks because he knows she'd fuck up his Chump bet.

Chickens coming home to roost perhaps?Ex-Obama intel official: Hillary Clinton should drop out - CNNPolitics.com

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Chickens coming home to roost perhaps?Ex-Obama intel official: Hillary Clinton should drop out - CNNPolitics.com

Originally Posted by MrG

No, chickens not coming home to roost. That is, if you bother to read the piece

Originally Posted by MrG

When pressed by CNN, Flynn said, "I don't have any personal evidence" that Clinton or one of her staffers took material off a classified server and put it on an unclassified server.

You'll find that piwanoi doesn't read his links . . . just posts one after the other, sometimes adding a question mark to feign affirmation while leaving it open-ended.

If all these congressional hearings have found nothing to charge her with then a man like Flynn simply has an axe to grind

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Thank you for precise reply ,but in your opinion do you think that the article and interview could well sow the seeds of doubt in many fickle voters minds ? and the way I see it the article and the interview will do her far more harm than good .

That was the obvious intent. It certainly wasn't to spread information.