Thread: 9/11 was an inside job

Don't forget the angles those Saudi 'pilots' with minimum training had to fly to hit the first 2 towers. Impossible according to real pilots.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by SKkin

Go ahead and call me a tin-foil hat nutter,

Not at all. You have put forward a lot of compelling information.
There is a lot, but people will bury their head in the sand. It's all too horrifying to admit to.

I've been questioning the whole official version ever since the official version came out.

Any person with reasonable intelligence would QUESTION the official report of events.

there are toooooo many things:

Nano-thermite was found all over Manhatten dust and in all of the dust collected outside of Manhatten, including on the pieces of memorial steel beams that were shipped across the country as memorials.

Mohamed Atta's (one of the 911 pilots who flew into the WTC towers) passport was found in readable condition among the wreckage but the black box was never found.

Sound odd?

2 things of hundreds......

The architects give their views

Norman Mineta
14th United States Secretary of Transportation
In office January 25, 2001 – August 7, 2006

Mineta's testimony to the 9/11 Commission about his experience in the Presidential Emergency Operating Center with Vice President Cheney as American Airlines flight 77 approached the Pentagon was not included in the 9/11 Commission Report.[6] In one colloquy testified by Mineta, the vice president refers to orders concerning the plane approaching the Pentagon:

There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, 'The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out.' And when it got down to, 'The plane is 10 miles out,' the young man also said to the vice president, 'Do the orders still stand?' And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, 'Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?' Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant.

— Norman Mineta, 9/11 Commission[7] "Public Hearing"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Mineta

I remember - while watching it live - the bickering, she did not want to answer the question.


Testimony of Condoleezza Rice Before 9/11 Commission
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/08/po...ommission.html

BEN-VENISTE. I want to ask you some questions about the Aug. 6, 2001, P.D.B. We had been advised in writing by the C.I.A. on March 19, 2004, that the Aug. 6 P.D.B. was prepared and self-generated by a C.I.A. employee. Following Director Tenet's testimony on March 26 before us, the C.I.A. clarified its version of events saying that questions by the president prompted them to prepare the Aug. 6 P.D.B. You have said to us in our meeting together earlier, in February, that the president directed the C.I.A. to prepare the Aug. 6 P.D.B. The extraordinary high terrorist attack threat level in the summer of 2001 is well documented. And Richard Clarke's testimony about the possibility of an attack against the United States homeland was repeatedly discussed from May to August within the intelligence community and that is well documented. You acknowledged to us in your interview of Feb. 7, 2004, that Richard Clarke told you that al Qaeda cells were in the United States. Did you tell the president, at any time prior to Aug. 6, of the existence of al Qaeda cells in the United States?

RICE. First let me just make certain -

BEN-VENISTE. If you could just answer that question. Because I only have a very limited -

RICE. Well, first - I understand, Commissioner.

BEN-VENISTE. Did you tell the president?

RICE. But it's important that I also address - It's also important, Commissioner, that I address the other issues that you've raised. So I will do it quickly. But if you'll just give me moment.

BEN-VENISTE. Well, my only question to you is whether you told the president -

RICE. I understand, Commissioner, but I will, if you'll just give me a moment, I will address fully the questions that you've asked.

First of all, yes, the Aug. 6 P.D.B. was in response to questions of the president. In that sense, he asked that this be done. It was not a particular threat report. And there was historical information in there about - about various aspects of al Qaeda's operations. Dick Clarke had told me, I think in a memorandum - I remember it as being only a line or two - that there were al Qaeda cells in the United States. Now, the question is: What did we need to do about that? And I also understood that that was what the F.B.I. was doing, that the F.B.I. was pursuing these al Qaeda cells. I believe in the Aug. 6 memorandum it says that there were 70 full field investigations underway of these cells. And so there was no recommendation that we do something about this - the F.B.I. was pursuing it.

I really don't remember, Commissioner, whether I discussed this with the president.

BEN-VENISTE. Thank you.

RICE. I remember very well that the president was aware that there were issues inside the United States. He'd talked to people about this. But I don't remember the al Qaeda cells as being something that we were told we needed to do something about.

BEN-VENISTE. Isn't it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the Aug. 6 P.D.B. warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that P.D.B.

RICE. I believe the title was Bin Laden Determined To Attack Inside the United States. Now, the P.D.B. -

BEN-VENISTE. Thank you.

RICE. No, Mr. Ben-Veniste -

BEN-VENISTE. I will get into the -

RICE. I would like to finish my point here.

BEN-VENISTE. I didn't know there was a point.

RICE. Given that - you asked me whether or not it warned of attacks.

BEN-VENISTE. I asked you what the title was.

RICE. You said did it not warn of attacks. It did not warn of attacks inside the United States. It was historical information based on old reporting. There was no new threat information. And it did not, in fact, warn of any coming attacks inside the United States.

BEN-VENISTE. Now, you knew by August 2001 of al Qaeda involvement in the first World Trade Center bombing. Is that correct? You knew that in 1999, late '99, in the millennium threat period, that we had thwarted an al Qaeda attempt to blow up Los Angeles International Airport and thwarted cells operating in Brooklyn, N.Y. and Boston, Mass. as of the Aug. 6 briefing. You learned that al Qaeda members have resided or traveled to the United States for years and maintained a support system in the United States. And you learned that F.B.I. information since the 1998 blind sheik warning of hijackings to free the blind sheik indicated a pattern of suspicious activity in the country up until Aug. 6 consistent with preparation for hijackings. Isn't that so?

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BEN-VENISTE. Well, if you were willing - if you were willing to declassify that document, then others can make up their minds about it. Let me ask you a general matter, beyond the fact that this memorandum provided information, not speculative but based on intelligence information, that bin Laden had threatened to attack the United States and specifically Washington, D.C. There was nothing reassuring, was there, in that P.D.B.?

RICE. Certainly not. There was nothing reassuring. But I can also tell you that there was nothing in this memo that suggested that an attack was coming on New York or Washington, D.C. There was nothing in this memo as to time, place, how or where. This was not a threat report to the president or a threat report to me. As a matter of -

(no time, no place - so why not to go shoo shopping ?)

Richard Ben-Veniste (born January 3, 1943), is an American lawyer. He first rose to prominence as a special prosecutor during the Watergate scandal. He has also been a member of the 9/11 Commission. He is known for his pointed questions and criticisms of members of both the Clinton[citation needed] and George W. Bush administrations.

9/11 Commission[edit]
Ben-Veniste was a member (2002) of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (or "9/11 Commission"), where he developed a reputation for asking tough questions and demanding access to sensitive documents, although in some circles he was accused of grandstanding.[5] His interrogation of U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was contentious, and led to the declassification of the previously secret August 6, 2001 President's Daily Brief: "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States." The 9/11 Commission's Report was published in 2004 and has been read by millions of readers worldwide. Most of the Commission's recommendations have been enacted into law.

Ben-Veniste was a partner of the Washington, DC, law firm of Melrod, Redman & Gartlan (1975–1981). In 1981 he formed Ben-Veniste and Shennoff, where he practiced for 10 years. He joined Weil, Gotshal and Manges in 1991, where he was a partner until 2002. Ben-Veniste has been a partner at Mayer Brown LLP from 2002 until the present.[2][3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Ben-Veniste

THE 9/11 COVER-UP COMMISSION:

BEN VENISTE: Now, General McKinley, is it fair to say that the mission and the primary responsibility of NORAD is to defend our homeland and our citizens against air attack?

GEN. MCKINLEY: On the day of September 11th, 2001, our mission was to defend North America, to surveil, to intercept, to identify, and if necessary to destroy, those targets which we were posturing were going to come from outside our country.

“In fact, that tracks originating over the land mass of the United States were identified friendly by origin. Therefore, those alert sites that were positioned on the morning of September 11th were looking out primarily on our coasts at the air defense identification zone, which extends outward of 100 to 200 miles off our shore. So that was the main focus of NORAD at the time.

MR. BEN-VENISTE: I asked you about your responsibilities, sir, and I ask you again, whether it was not your responsibility as NORAD to protect the United States and its citizens against air attack.

GEN. MCKINLEY: It is, and it was, and I would just caveat your comment by saying that our mission was at that time not designed to take internal FAA radar data to track or to identify tracks originating within our borders. It was to look outward, as a Cold War vestige, primarily developed during the Cold War, to protect against Soviet long-range bomber penetration of our intercept zone.

MR. BEN-VENISTE: Well, I think, sir, that you have used a good term, not good for the United States, but accurate, in terms of the vestigial mandate operationally to look outward toward the borders rather than inward. And as vestigial you mean, I am sure, as a result of our decades of confrontation with the former Soviet Union.

GEN. MCKINLEY: Correct, sir.

MR. BEN-VENISTE: And so on the day of September 11th, as you can see these dots -- I know it may be difficult to see -- NORAD was positioned in a perimeter around the United States, but nothing in the central region, nothing on the border with Canada?

Ben-Veniste held up an 8 1/2” by 11” sheet of paper with a map of the U.S. and some spots on it to substantiate McKinley’s story.

GEN. MCKINLEY: That's correct, sir.

Not one Commissioner challenged this story or asked McKinley about NORAD defense and command centers at Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado, or the Pentagon.

The 9-11 Cover-Up Commission

jus' sayin' like

Fuck me, who flew planes into Grenfell then, I must have missed that.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Fuck me, who flew planes into Grenfell then, I must have missed that.

Okay WTC7?

Has this massive steaming turd of a thread been resurrected from TDH into SC?! Or am I thinking of something else.

Either way...

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Has this massive steaming turd of a thread been resurrected from TDH into SC?! Or am I thinking of something else.

Either way...

No, I think one of the whackjobs must have begged to have it put back so they can post yet *more* fucking shite.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Fuck me, who flew planes into Grenfell then, I must have missed that.

Okay WTC7?

Why don't you ask the fucking firemen who saw the damage and the fires burning and basically gave up on it, knowing it was going to collapse?

FFS do you only read whackjob shite as well?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Why don't you ask the fucking firemen who saw the damage and the fires burning and basically gave up on it, knowing it was going to collapse?

Oh god....this again. Here we go....round and round.

Do you really think that word / phrase is a confession of some sort ?

He was referring to pulling out the firemen and rescue teams, wasn't he ?

If he had the brains and cunning to orchestrate the whole thing (as some people suggest), do you really think he would admit to demolishing the building by saying "pull it" ??

I believe he is saying "pull out", but in a different way.

Originally Posted by Neo

jus' sayin' like

Completely different construction, Neo. The Twin Towers were special, as you well know.

Just sayin'...

9/11 truthers don't care about the truth, so that is the first problem with saying "as you well know".

The mindset can be summed up rather succinctly. They know two things:

1. 9/11 had to be an inside job

2. See #1

was it an inside job ? we really don't know,

who did it ? we really don't know either,

was the government "official" response dodgy ? you bet it was

but the real question is why and why, that's all that matters

Pentagon takeover of the WH and turning America into a police state ? maybe it that was the only objective at the end,

who cares how and who did it, what matters is that they succeeded

we all know the official story is a web of lies for the dumb mass (plenty of example here by the usual idiots)

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

youtube: Larry Silverstein admits WTC7 was pulled down on 9/11 -

Larry Silverstein - New WTC7 designed in 2000

How could mediocre and poor Saudi trainee pilots who had only practised on single propeller planes, manage to fly jet airliners at speeds far faster than their normal speed, banking and descending at extraordinary rates, manage to hit such pinprick targets?
They cañ't have done is the view of pilots.