Thread: 9/11 was an inside job

Originally Posted by koman

ENT....it's been stated over and over.....there was no great amount of piloting skill or experience involved in these hijacks. The real pilots got the planes off the ground and airborne. The hijackers had previously taken several trips, apparently to become familiar with the routines, and perhaps to get some sense of the airspace around the NYC area. All that was required was the knowledge to be able to set a new course, speed and altitude. All that would have been learned and practiced in a flight simulator.....the crashing part did not need much in the way of specialized training

Koman I give you credit for some of your posts but the above is complete bullshit. Even the most skilled pilot couldn't hit those towers flying at the speed those planes were supposedly flying on that fateful day. It has been proven to be so in flight simulators.
Also the engine parts recovered from the towers debris were not of the engines belonging to either plane. I know this is just another video but please watch the whole thing and it will show some very interesting facts. You may regard John Lear a crack-pot, but just see what he has to say.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Even the most skilled pilot couldn't hit those towers flying at the speed those planes were supposedly flying on that fateful day. It has been proven to be so in flight simulators.

No it has not, and your Mr. Lear is a crack-pot....ex pilot or not. A great many other "expert pilots" seem to think that it was not that big of a challenge considering the training and dedication of the hijackers.

The only thing a simulator would be likely to show is that the airspeed was way over the safety limit for the altitude on the final run in.....like the hijackers were concerned about passenger safety and FAA regulations.....

You talk about bullshit and then post a video of a guy talking about holograms and telling us (like ENT) that there were no planes involved. That's so ridiculous it's hardly worth the effort of a response, but hey, this is the fantasy thread, so why not eh?....


That nonsense about hologram projection is really out of the fucking twilight zone. How do you produce an airborne hologram travelling in a level flight path at 400-500 mph (or whatever) in bright sunshine over NYC?

This is where the conspiracy folks really get carried away, with stuff from the movies and sci-fi TV shows. It's possible to project a 3D image under carefully controlled conditions, but nobody anywhere has ever done anything like what that clown is claiming. Pure fantasy.

That entire video is full of nonsense, gross misstatements and crackpot opinions that have been discussed and beaten to death over the years, but here we go again.

Crows really are black, and that does not change just because some nutjob who claims to know about crows, suggests otherwise on a Utube video while being cheered on by other crow colour skeptics......

What about the recovered engine parts?

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by koman

ENT....it's been stated over and over.....there was no great amount of piloting skill or experience involved in these hijacks. The real pilots got the planes off the ground and airborne. The hijackers had previously taken several trips, apparently to become familiar with the routines, and perhaps to get some sense of the airspace around the NYC area. All that was required was the knowledge to be able to set a new course, speed and altitude. All that would have been learned and practiced in a flight simulator.....the crashing part did not need much in the way of specialized training

Koman I give you credit for some of your posts but the above is complete bullshit. Even the most skilled pilot couldn't hit those towers flying at the speed those planes were supposedly flying on that fateful day. It has been proven to be so in flight simulators.
Also the engine parts recovered from the towers debris were not of the engines belonging to either plane. I know this is just another video but please watch the whole thing and it will show some very interesting facts. You may regard John Lear a crack-pot, but just see what he has to say.

If you believe that, you really are a gullible prick.

And frankly either your use of language is deliberately vague, or like ENT, you believe every piece of bullshit you read without challenging it. Which is strange, because that is EXACTLY what ENT does, despite being the one that calls intelligent people "sheeple".



This: "the engine parts recovered from the towers debris were not of the engines belonging to either plane".

Can you post the nutjob's link where you found it so I can properly take the piss?

Jeesuz ENT, you have more loonie blogs lined up than there are hookers in Pattaya.

So, now you are telling us that because some names that appeared on a list of hijackers are still alive, that is "proof" of something. Do you think that everybody who gets picked for the team always gets to play?

In any case just about every single statement in your latest loonie blog has been cherry picked from a wide range of statements--mostly misstatements, taken from various sources before the full background investigations had been completed. There are several statements which are blatantly untrue and simply made up and injected to bolster an already weak presentation.

I have been focused on bringing you and your conspiracy supporters up to speed on the background, training and movements of the core group that led the 9/11 attacks, and actually executed the final part of the plan. An enormous amount of research and investigation was invested into these individuals, because they were the actual executioners not the bag carriers.

Now you wish to obscure all of that by introducing these "muscle hijackers" who were basically there to subdue the passengers and keep things under control while the trained guys managed things on the flightdeck and executed the plan.

Once again, it's really immaterial who they were, or exactly which ones actually participated on 9/11 and which ones did not. Those who boarded the planes made the final cut, and their roles were relatively minor in any case. It does not change the results in any way whatsoever and it's not important except for the purpose of adding a bit of badly needed fuel to the pointless arguments used by conspiracy nuts.

Now, once again...we need to know more about the Plutonium bombs and the hologram projector that created the images of those planes in bright sunshine over NYC. You are being very difficult about these things ENT......

Go back to your club house koman, tell it to your mates,.....whatever it is you're trying to waffle on about.....mostly nothing of consequence as you're unable to provide sources, references or any pertinent details to your conjectures.

Funny thing though, that AA stated that Flights 11 and 77 weren't scheduled to fly on 9/11/2001, no airliner parts matching UA Flight 175 and AA Flt 11 were ever found at WTC, no parts from AA Flt 77 were found and/or identified at the Pentagon, and as far as I can see, no identifiable parts of UA Flt 93 were found at Shanksville, after it was shot down.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

This: "the engine parts recovered from the towers debris were not of the engines belonging to either plane".

Can you post the nutjob's link where you found it so I can properly take the piss?

Hey nutjob, what identifiable parts of AA 11 or UA 175 were found at WTC,.. EVER?

If you know, post a link, references, parts descri[tions eytc,....that's a good boy.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

What about the recovered engine parts?

AS everybody knows, no recovered airplane parts matched or were identified with ANY of the four supposedly hijacked airliners.

Harrybarry hasn't come up with an answer to that little mystery either, yet.

Originally Posted by ENT

AS everybody knows, no recovered airplane parts matched or were identified with ANY of the four supposedly hijacked airliners.

Well that would be as a result of there being no planes. I mean holograms don't produce wreckage do they?....

BUT WAIT.....are you now saying that there was all this plane wreckage, but it does not match any of the planes that were supposed to have been used....?

So ya reckon the spooks just stopped by and dumped tons of plane wreckage around the place and planted a few passports just to fool everybody?

Fuck me those guys are good.....imagine doing all that with a bazillion people watching and nobody noticed... OR did they really use real planes after all....just not the ones they told us about?

So which is it ENT....holograms or planes... the plot keeps changing with the latest blog effort......

Originally Posted by koman

there was no great amount of piloting skill or experience involved in these hijacks.

As I said before 'bullshit'.

Robin Lloyd, a Boeing 737 captain with a British airline, told The Telegraph that "the hijackers had to be experienced pilots with more than just a rudimentary knowledge of navigation." Lloyd, who co-runs the Professional Pilots' Rumour Network website, which is "regarded worldwide as one of the prime sources of accurate information for the aviation industry," said the terrorists at the controls of the hijacked aircraft "had to be 100 percent switched on people, 100 percent experienced pilots, probably military trained." He said someone like Osama bin Laden "wouldn't have access to pilots of the caliber needed to pull it off."

The 9/11 Hijackers: Amateur Aviators Who Became Super-Pilots on September 11 | 911Blogger.com

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by ENT

AS everybody knows, no recovered airplane parts matched or were identified with ANY of the four supposedly hijacked airliners.

Well that would be as a result of there being no planes. I mean holograms don't produce wreckage do they?....

BUT WAIT.....are you now saying that there was all this plane wreckage, but it does not match any of the planes that were supposed to have been used....?

So ya reckon the spooks just stopped by and dumped tons of plane wreckage around the place and planted a few passports just to fool everybody?

Fuck me those guys are good.....imagine doing all that with a bazillion people watching and nobody noticed... OR did they really use real planes after all....just not the ones they told us about?

So which is it ENT....holograms or planes... the plot keeps changing with the latest blog effort......

Still no available facts, references or links to any info confirming verifiable/identifiable parts and numbers belonging to any of those four (supposedly) hijacked aircraft, koman?

No, you can't find anything because there weren't any to find.

That blows your story.

You go on about holograms,....I don't have a clue what you're on about.

Also your imagination is starting to run riot as you lose the plot, old chap.
There weren't a "gazillion" people watching the goons plant their stage props, otherwise we'd have heard a few reports of that.

Nobody saw that piece of Boeing airplane wing planted behind the Islamic centre in NY, either, nor that unidentified aircraft engine near the WTC, or other bits of aircraft parts planted around, all of it numbered or identifiable/matchable by forensicists and their able allies, technicians, aircraft manufacturers and metallurgists.

But no,.....no one's standing up and saying that any of those stage props are proven to belong to the allegedly hijacked airliners.

Too bad, eh, koman?

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by koman

there was no great amount of piloting skill or experience involved in these hijacks.

As I said before 'bullshit'.

Robin Lloyd, a Boeing 737 captain with a British airline, told The Telegraph that "the hijackers had to be experienced pilots with more than just a rudimentary knowledge of navigation." Lloyd, who co-runs the Professional Pilots' Rumour Network website, which is "regarded worldwide as one of the prime sources of accurate information for the aviation industry," said the terrorists at the controls of the hijacked aircraft "had to be 100 percent switched on people, 100 percent experienced pilots, probably military trained." He said someone like Osama bin Laden "wouldn't have access to pilots of the caliber needed to pull it off."

The 9/11 Hijackers: Amateur Aviators Who Became Super-Pilots on September 11 | 911Blogger.com

It's not bullshit, and you have posted this before. It carries no more weight the second time. It's an opinion, not a fact, and it has been established beyond any reasonable doubt to be incorrect.

A case in point. It was claimed by all kinds of people including so called experts that Lee Harvey Oswald could not have fired three times in the 3.6 seconds between the first and third shots, as measured by various means including the famous Zapruder film, sound recordings etc.

This was widely accepted as a "fact" and became one of the core arguments in the whole JFK multiple conspiracy story. Later on; it was demonstrated many many times that in fact a well practiced shooter with an efficient bolt action rifle can indeed fire three shots in 3.6 seconds. I believe the fastest recoded for three rounds was about 2.8 seconds or something like that.

So all the experts at the time, were simply expressing opinions, posing as facts. It was never a fact, but it was accepted by a great many people who should have known better to be one.

Just because someone who claims to be an expert, offers an opinion about something does not make it a fact. The terrorists were very "switched on" people" Do you ever pay attention to anything outside of the blogisphere?

Look at the source FFS.....people say anything on those sites. 99% of which is just made up, rumour, opinion and nonsense.

The fact is that a group of well prepared, highly motivated people did manage to take control of four planes; alter courses and direct them to pre determined targets. All the waffling, offhand opinions and denial in the world does not change that.

Opinions posing as facts are the stock n trade of the conspiracy industry, but the same industry is never able to provide any proof of anything. They just demand that others continue to prove every little detail their imaginations can come up with.

I can waste loads of my time cutting and pasting all kinds of counter opinions from blogsites too.....but I choose not to. It's only people who actually know nothing about 9/11 and the subsequent investigations and research that need to do that.

Originally Posted by ENT

You go on about holograms,....I don't have a clue what you're on about.

Really....do you ever read your own posts? You are the one who assured us time and time again that no planes hit the WTC......they were all illusions.....

More recently you came up with Plutonium bombs. We've also had cruise missiles mounted under military planes....and fuck knows what else. There are so many versions of 9/11 it's hard to keep track.......everything happened except what actually happened.....

....and you tell me I'm losing it.............

^^ More red herrings from koman.

Originally Posted by ENT

^^ More red herrings from koman.

Plutonium bombs ENT... no planes hit the WTC......cruise misslies.....holograms...morphing planes......red herrings...?......

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by ENT

You go on about holograms,....I don't have a clue what you're on about.

Really....do you ever read your own posts? You are the one who assured us time and time again that no planes hit the WTC......they were all illusions.....

More recently you came up with Plutonium bombs. We've also had cruise missiles mounted under military planes....and fuck knows what else. There are so many versions of 9/11 it's hard to keep track.......everything happened except what actually happened.....

....and you tell me I'm losing it.............

You certainly are losing it pal,....I never once said that holograms were involved, nor cruise missiles mounted under military planes, all your ideas pal, ....you're imagining things....

The plutonium bomb article was someone's idea, not mine, although I posted the article to see what the reaction would be, and boy oh boy, did you, harrybarry and a couple more loons latch onto that one!!!

Nope, I don't subscribe to the plutonium bomb theory, but there were no planes hijacked by any ragheads on 9/11 diving into buildings in the good ol' US of A!

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by ENT

You go on about holograms,....I don't have a clue what you're on about.

Really....do you ever read your own posts? You are the one who assured us time and time again that no planes hit the WTC......they were all illusions.....

More recently you came up with Plutonium bombs. We've also had cruise missiles mounted under military planes....and fuck knows what else. There are so many versions of 9/11 it's hard to keep track.......everything happened except what actually happened.....

....and you tell me I'm losing it.............

You certainly are losing it pal,....I never once said that holograms were involved, nor cruise missiles mounted under military planes, all your ideas pal, ....you're imagining things....

The plutonium bomb article was someone's idea, not mine, although I posted the article to see what the reaction would be, and boy oh boy, did you, harrybarry and a couple more loons latch onto that one!!!

Nope, I don't subscribe to the plutonium bomb theory, but there were no planes hijacked by any ragheads on 9/11 diving into buildings in the good ol' US of A!

Yes koman, stop being a c u n t, ENT knows for sure that they spirited away four aircraft and their passengers and destroyed all evidence of them.

Then carefully replaced them midflight with planes with only one wing as Shaggy told us, before flying them into buildings and destroying all evidence of them.

Oh, but then they replaced those with missiles and shot them at the buildings and destroyed all evidence of them.

But then they changed their minds and had teams of people sneak in unnoticed and plant explosives all over the buildings, and then destroyed all evidence of them.

Frankly after listening to that pile of shit, it's little wonder people would start believing the nuclear bombs theory.

But they've destroyed all evidence of them.

As for all those aircraft parts that are posted all over the internet, included the ones they found wedged between two buildings a couple of years, they were all put there.

But fuck knows what for when millions of people saw planes hit the towers, etc., and they know exactly what aircraft were hijacked.

Of course they didn't bother doing a detailed identification of the aircraft parts for that exact reason, everyone KNOWS what happened apart from wankers like ENT who can't even make their mind up which conspiracy theory to follow half the time.

One minute he's showing grainy photos claiming the planes that hit the towers had magical pods and shit attached to them, the next minute he claims no planes ever existed.

Personally someone needs to have a word with his doctor and get him to stick to one medication so at least he can focus on one stupid fucking fairy tale.

Originally Posted by koman

I can waste loads of my time cutting and pasting all kinds of counter opinions from blogsites too.....but I choose not to. It's only people who actually know nothing about 9/11 and the subsequent investigations and research that need to do that.

Liar

I wouldn't say "liar". Just not completely correct.

He should have said : "It's only people who actually understand little, have little wisdom and have a very twisted, paranoid opinion about 9/11 and the subsequent investigations and research that need to do that".

I think ENT should do a thread similar to Roobarb's current HIV thread, about how ENT went to the psychiatrist and how the news was broken to him about his paranoid schizophrenia/bipolar/aspergers condition.

For those always demanding links and sources, you need to check out some of these sources that are frequently cited and posted as "evidence" by the conspiracy believers.

Look up some more of the scintillating stuff produced by the "expert pilot" John Lear (post 5376 being an example) This guy has other videos where he goes on about secret space programs, anti gravity machines, and other machines that can make matter invisible. The US even built flying saucers back in the 1950ies......
I think Mr. Lear must have received his education and training from watching Startrek.

This is the kind of expert we are supposed to believe instead of the "official" line...which has been examined, probed and analysed by thousands of legitimate people; engineers, scientists, investigative journalists etc... in many different countries. Apparently all these folks are sheeple because they understand and accept the fairly simple facts. The handful of oddballs who show up with legitimate credentials are the rare exception and not the rule. Even these are usually misquoted or their remarks are restructured to fit the program.

There are some very well presented articles explaining why people come up with sinister conspiracy explanations for extraordinary events. The same basic pattern shows up in the JFK case, the moon landings, and of course 9/11. The basic components of conspiracy exist in all these cases, and the techniques that were pioneered in the JFK case have been refined and honed over decades. In each case there is not just one conspiracy theory; there are dozens...all conflicting. Some are quite appealing and even credible for a while. Others are just borderline insanity. It's fascinating to see different posters supporting different theories and all of them united in the belief that their theory is the right one.

Noam Chomsky; one of the best known and respected academics of his generation has a video interview where he basically trashes all the 9/11 bullshit in a very scholarly way by explaining why it's bullshit. Noam was about as anti-government, anti-establishment and anti-capitalist as you can get, but he still accepts the "official" version of 9/11, because it's the only one that can stand up to any genuine scholarly examination and legitimate scientific scrutiny....(as opposed to junk scientific scrutiny) Everyone has an opinion after all, even if comes from a certified mental case.

Rather than clutter up this thread with endless videos and multi page cut and past nonsense, you can easily find Noam's videos in a thread about him that Albert started a while back. It's easy to find.

He say's it much better than I can.... although I've said pretty much exactly the same things myself on a good few occasions.

Noam Chomsky versus John Lear.....now there's a real competition for credibility....

That'd be like Richard Dawkins debating the Pope. Or perhaps the head of the Islamic State.

No...wait a min....that's uplifting John Lear's credibility way too much.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Originally Posted by ENT

I dunno which sewer you drag up your info from

Posted by you on this very forum, actually.

Liar.