Thread: Same sex marriage

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

For that matter how often does the media report black on white crime compared to white on black crime.

Excuse me, but, there wouldn't be any "African-Americans" if it wasn't for white people. Now I'm not blaming you personally, but redress is appropriate. That's why there was that little thing called "affirmative action".

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

We want to teach our kids in school to be respectful and considerate of other religions. You know better than me ... Is that being done in Muslim countries?

Is it really a school's responsibility? We had religious studies at school when I was a kid, nothing about Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism etc...
Morality needs to be taught at home - why leave it up to teachers and abrogate a parent's responsibility?

I don't know if they teach this in Muslim countries - what I do know is that Judaism and Christianity is accepted by Islam as righteous faiths ( believe monotheistic reasons) , unlike Christianity, which doesn't accept any other religion.

Don't confuse politics with religion.

My kids went/go to International schools, not local schools

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Homophobia and anger
Overall, the better the mental health of the person (based on the responses to the questionnaire), the less likely he or she was to be homophobic, the researchers found. People with "fearful-avoidant" attachment styles, who tend to feel uncomfortable in close relationships with others, were significantly more homophobic than those who were secure with close relationships. The researchers also found that people with higher levels of immature defense mechanisms were more homophobic than those with mature defense mechanisms.
High levels of hostility and anger, measured as psychoticism, were also linked to homophobia, the researchers found.
But other mental health issues had the opposite association: Depression and neurotic defense mechanisms (like hypochondria or repression) were both linked with lower levels of homophobia.
The findings position homophobia as a trait more often seen in dysfunctional personalities, but personality isn't the whole story. Homophobia is a "culture-induced disease," Jannini said, so personality traits probably interplay with factors like religion and conservative values. The researchers are currently expanding the study to students in Albania, Jannini said. They're also studying how the fear of not being "man enough" might influence homophobic attitudes.

Well, I'm sure now that people with this trait of homophobia, most often seen in dysfunctional personalities no less, can be seen as afflicted but accepted into normal society, after treatment, of course. I think we should do that with all the condescending tolerance and understanding that we can muster for them, as we would for any unnatural creature. It would serve them right.

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Homophobia and anger
Overall, the better the mental health of the person (based on the responses to the questionnaire), the less likely he or she was to be homophobic, the researchers found. People with "fearful-avoidant" attachment styles, who tend to feel uncomfortable in close relationships with others, were significantly more homophobic than those who were secure with close relationships. The researchers also found that people with higher levels of immature defense mechanisms were more homophobic than those with mature defense mechanisms.
High levels of hostility and anger, measured as psychoticism, were also linked to homophobia, the researchers found.
But other mental health issues had the opposite association: Depression and neurotic defense mechanisms (like hypochondria or repression) were both linked with lower levels of homophobia.
The findings position homophobia as a trait more often seen in dysfunctional personalities, but personality isn't the whole story. Homophobia is a "culture-induced disease," Jannini said, so personality traits probably interplay with factors like religion and conservative values. The researchers are currently expanding the study to students in Albania, Jannini said. They're also studying how the fear of not being "man enough" might influence homophobic attitudes.

Well, I'm sure now that people with this trait of homophobia, most often seen in dysfunctional personalities no less, can be seen as afflicted but accepted into normal society, after treatment, of course. I think we should do that with all the condescending tolerance and understanding that we can muster for them, as we would for any unnatural creature. It would serve them right.

How about making them wear some kind of badge to identify them?

Couple news items,……

'Historic day' for same sex couples as landmark Marriage Bill 2015 introduced

Today marks the first occasion same sex couples in Ireland feel they are "equal citizens", the head of Marriage Equality has said.

It paves the way for the first official same sex unions to take place before the end of the year.

Members of Marriage Equality gathered outside Leinster House before entering the Dail gallery to "witness history unfold."

Grainne Healy, chair of the group, said it was a "historic day" for the gay community in Ireland.

"This is a momentous occasion, and it's great the Minister is going to introduce the legislation today," she told independent.ie

"It's the end of a long journey - and for those of us in Marriage Equality - it took us 10 years to get here.

"It's a wonderful occasion, all the more so, because the referendum was such a huge win.

"For so many couples today is the day when finally they feel they are equal citizens, and that their relationships will be recognised."

The bill will go through a number of stages in the Dáil and the Seanad, which could take several weeks.

The Marriage Equality Referendum was passed by an overwhelming majority, and the result made Ireland the first country in the world to introduce gay marriage by a popular vote.

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States that fought same-sex marriage owe millions in legal fees

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Two months after the U.S. Supreme Court ended the legal debate over gay marriage by declaring that the constitutionally protected civil right to marriage must be extended to same-sex couples nationwide, attorneys general and governors who fought it are receiving unpleasant souvenirs of failure: Invoices from the attorneys who beat them.

States that defended same-sex marriage bans — most did, to some extent — are now being asked to pay the legal fees for those litigants under a 40-year-old federal law that says the court “in its discretion, may allow the prevailing party … a reasonable attorney’s fee as part of the costs.”

Or as Michigan attorney Dana Nessel put it: “It’s the price governments pay for defending bigotry.”

Defeat won’t come cheap — or, in many cases, without further legal wrangling.

Michigan is weighing its response to a $1.9 million demand from attorneys for April DeBoer and Jayne Rowse, plaintiffs in one of the four cases that went to the Supreme Court and was decided in June. In Kentucky, another state involved in the Supreme Court showdown, the bill for services rendered is $2.1 million. South Carolina has been ordered to pay $130,000, and Florida’s attorney general is fighting a tab of about $700,000.

Several states have struck agreements already. Pennsylvania settled for $1.5 million, Wisconsin for $1.05 million, Virginia for $580,000, Oregon for $132,000, Colorado for $90,000, Utah for $95,000 and North Dakota for $58,000. The varying prices reflect the length of the battles or their intensity.

much more in the link above

Originally Posted by wjblaney

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

For that matter how often does the media report black on white crime compared to white on black crime.

Excuse me, but, there wouldn't be any "African-Americans" if it wasn't for white people. Now I'm not blaming you personally, but redress is appropriate. That's why there was that little thing called "affirmative action".

Excuse me but there wouldn't be any African-Americans if it weren't for their own people in Africa selling them to the slave traders?

The thing is how long does redress go on?

Originally Posted by S Landreth

I believe most of us understand these people who have problems with gay people/couples have problems, to put it lightly. But I won’t. You people are bent and need help and a new study confirms it.

Homophobic People Often Have Psychological Issues

Homophobic attitudes may say a lot about the person who holds them, new research suggests.

A new study of university students in Italy revealed that people who have strongly negative views of gay people also have higher levels of psychoticism and inappropriate coping mechanisms than those who are accepting of homosexuality.

This doesn't mean that homophobic people are psychotic; rather, psychoticism is a personality trait marked by hostility, anger and aggression toward others. But the study does suggest that people who cling to homophobic views have some psychological issues, said lead researcher Emmanuele Jannini, an endocrinologist and medical sexologist at the University of Rome Tor Vergata.

The psychology of homophobia

Earlier research has found homophobia to be a complex subject, with some studies suggesting that people with visceral negative reactions to gays and lesbians often harbor same-sex desires themselves. Other studies, though, contest that idea, and suggest that homophobic people are truly averse to same-sex attraction. Other factors — such as religiosity, sensitivity to disgust, hypermasculinity and misogyny — seem to play a role in anti-gay beliefs, Jannini and his colleagues wrote in an article published Sept. 8 in The Journal of Sexual Medicine.

But no one had ever looked at the mental health or psychopathology of homophobic people. In the new study, the researchers asked 551 Italian university students, ranging in age from 18 to 30, to fill out questionnaires on their levels of homophobia as well as their psychopathology, including levels of depression, anxiety and psychoticism. The homophobia scale required participants to rate how strongly they agreed or disagreed (on a 5-point scale) with 25 statements, such as: Gay people make me nervous; I think homosexual people should not work with children; I tease and make jokes about gay people; and It does not matter to me whether my friends are gay or straight.

The students also answered questions about their attachment style, which categorizes how people approach relationships. The "healthy" attachment style is known as secure attachment, in which people feel comfortable getting close to others and having others get close to them. People who are insecurely attached, on the other hand, might avoid intimacy, become too clingy or desire closeness but feel uncomfortable trusting others.

Finally, the students answered questions about their coping strategies — defense mechanisms people use when they face unpleasant or scary situations. Defense mechanisms can be healthy ("mature") or unhealthy ("immature"). A mature defense, for example, might include regulating one's emotions and not depending on others for validation. Immature defense mechanisms might include impulsive actions, passive aggression or denial of a problem.

Homophobia and anger

Overall, the better the mental health of the person (based on the responses to the questionnaire), the less likely he or she was to be homophobic, the researchers found. People with "fearful-avoidant" attachment styles, who tend to feel uncomfortable in close relationships with others, were significantly more homophobic than those who were secure with close relationships. The researchers also found that people with higher levels of immature defense mechanisms were more homophobic than those with mature defense mechanisms.

High levels of hostility and anger, measured as psychoticism, were also linked to homophobia, the researchers found.

But other mental health issues had the opposite association: Depression and neurotic defense mechanisms (like hypochondria or repression) were both linked with lower levels of homophobia.

The findings position homophobia as a trait more often seen in dysfunctional personalities, but personality isn't the whole story. Homophobia is a "culture-induced disease," Jannini said, so personality traits probably interplay with factors like religion and conservative values. The researchers are currently expanding the study to students in Albania, Jannini said. They're also studying how the fear of not being "man enough" might influence homophobic attitudes.

Of course ones beliefs about homosexuality are culture induced as are beliefs about all moral issues, the problem I have with this article is it implies all who don't agree with homosexuality are homophobic which is not the case there are many of us who disagree with homosexuality but have no ill feelings toward the homosexual, each to his own, but don't intrude on my beliefs as I won't intrude on yours.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Homophobia and anger
Overall, the better the mental health of the person (based on the responses to the questionnaire), the less likely he or she was to be homophobic, the researchers found. People with "fearful-avoidant" attachment styles, who tend to feel uncomfortable in close relationships with others, were significantly more homophobic than those who were secure with close relationships. The researchers also found that people with higher levels of immature defense mechanisms were more homophobic than those with mature defense mechanisms.
High levels of hostility and anger, measured as psychoticism, were also linked to homophobia, the researchers found.
But other mental health issues had the opposite association: Depression and neurotic defense mechanisms (like hypochondria or repression) were both linked with lower levels of homophobia.
The findings position homophobia as a trait more often seen in dysfunctional personalities, but personality isn't the whole story. Homophobia is a "culture-induced disease," Jannini said, so personality traits probably interplay with factors like religion and conservative values. The researchers are currently expanding the study to students in Albania, Jannini said. They're also studying how the fear of not being "man enough" might influence homophobic attitudes.

Well, I'm sure now that people with this trait of homophobia, most often seen in dysfunctional personalities no less, can be seen as afflicted but accepted into normal society, after treatment, of course. I think we should do that with all the condescending tolerance and understanding that we can muster for them, as we would for any unnatural creature. It would serve them right.

How about making them wear some kind of badge to identify them?

That's so last century.
Computer chips are the ticket. Then we'll be able to see when they gather in bars to promote their Homophob Agenda.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Of course ones beliefs about homosexuality are culture induced as are beliefs about all moral issues, the problem I have with this article is it implies all who don't agree with homosexuality are homophobic which is not the case there are many of us who disagree with homosexuality but have no ill feelings toward the homosexual, each to his own, but don't intrude on my beliefs as I won't intrude on yours.

I've never known a homosexual intrude on my beliefs. Has it happened to you?

Given the chaps clearly a repressed homosexual, the answer to your question would be yes... homosexual thoughts do intrude into he purity of his mind and challenge his beliefs with unnatural thoughts and desires

Originally Posted by hazz

Given the chaps clearly a repressed homosexual, the answer to your question would be yes... homosexual thoughts do intrude into he purity of his mind and challenge his beliefs with unnatural thoughts and desires

If that is the case then we all must face the question at one time or another: Is one more comfortable as a repressed homosexual, or is one more comfortable as a repressed heterosexual?

living a lie to conform with the bigtory of parents is always bad for mental health. look at socal

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Of course ones beliefs about homosexuality are culture induced as are beliefs about all moral issues, the problem I have with this article is it implies all who don't agree with homosexuality are homophobic which is not the case there are many of us who disagree with homosexuality but have no ill feelings toward the homosexual, each to his own, but don't intrude on my beliefs as I won't intrude on yours.

I've never known a homosexual intrude on my beliefs. Has it happened to you?

Here we go again, when I used the my beliefs any thinking person would know I was referring to all people who don't agree with homosexuality, having said that I would remind you of the baker who refused to be part of a same sex wedding by refusing to bake a wedding cake for them, so yes homosexuals do intrude, in fact they intruded to the point of ending her lively hood,on non homosexual lives, they could of easily found another baker.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I've never known a homosexual intrude on my beliefs. Has it happened to you?

This poor lady had her right to be a bigot trampled on:

^ Ever been asked to explain Christianity to a Thai or Buddhist who seriously has no clue what's it's based on? I have at school where I teach.

I just pretend I don't know because there's no way to say it without sounding like a nut.

eg "God was angry because Adam ate an apple so he condemned all humans, so God's son Jesus agreed to go to Earth and face crucification so God would be happy again." God is a he? He has a son? WTF?

Even my promiscuous daughter didn't try telling me the "holy ghost" knocked her up.

Originally Posted by BobR

Ever been asked to explain Christianity to a Thai or Buddhist who seriously has no clue what's it's based on? I have at school where I teach.

I just pretend I don't know because there's no way to say it without sounding like a nut.

I have actually. I tried. Should have taken your tact with it though.

Pretty sure I did sound like a complete nut.

You're both lucky it wasn't Scientology.

Originally Posted by MrG

You're both lucky it wasn't Scientology.

That's easy to explain: A 75 million year old Galactic Confederacy transported billions of people who used 1950's-like technology to Earth in DC-8s, dumped them in volcanoes, and killed them with hydrogen bombs.

Simples!

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Excuse me but there wouldn't be any African-Americans if it weren't for their own people in Africa selling them to the slave traders?

The mind boggles at the sheer stupidity of some people

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by MrG

You're both lucky it wasn't Scientology.

That's easy to explain: A 75 million year old Galactic Confederacy transported billions of people who used 1950's-like technology to Earth in DC-8s, dumped them in volcanoes, and killed them with hydrogen bombs.

Simples!

Damn.... You should be an evangalist.

Let the disembodied souls of the Thetans speak through you brother.








And please also send me $99.99 for my ministry.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by MrG

You're both lucky it wasn't Scientology.

That's easy to explain: A 75 million year old Galactic Confederacy transported billions of people who used 1950's-like technology to Earth in DC-8s, dumped them in volcanoes, and killed them with hydrogen bombs.

Simples!

And it still makes more sense and is easier to understand than Christianity, Judaism, or Islam. Me, I'm a Thelemite. Sex, drink and drugs aren't sins, they're compulsory! 93!

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by MrG

You're both lucky it wasn't Scientology.

That's easy to explain: A 75 million year old Galactic Confederacy transported billions of people who used 1950's-like technology to Earth in DC-8s, dumped them in volcanoes, and killed them with hydrogen bombs.

Simples!

And it still makes more sense and is easier to understand than Christianity, Judaism, or Islam. Me, I'm a Thelemite. Sex, drink and drugs aren't sins, they're compulsory! 93!

Woody Allen said in an old Playboy interview that he was an orthodox pervert--"we gather in crowded buses and worship in our own way".

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Of course ones beliefs about homosexuality are culture induced as are beliefs about all moral issues, the problem I have with this article is it implies all who don't agree with homosexuality are homophobic which is not the case there are many of us who disagree with homosexuality but have no ill feelings toward the homosexual, each to his own, but don't intrude on my beliefs as I won't intrude on yours.

I've never known a homosexual intrude on my beliefs. Has it happened to you?

Here we go again, when I used the my beliefs any thinking person would know I was referring to all people who don't agree with homosexuality, having said that I would remind you of the baker who refused to be part of a same sex wedding by refusing to bake a wedding cake for them, so yes homosexuals do intrude, in fact they intruded to the point of ending her lively hood,on non homosexual lives, they could of easily found another baker.

Would this be the baker that wanted to respect "the sanctity of marriage" but was willing to make a cake for someone who was marrying their two dogs?

Don't make me laugh.

If anything the baker was intruding in their life by being a judgemental, god bothering prick.

It's a fucking cake, it's not like he had to join them in bed on their wedding night is it?