Thread: Same sex marriage

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

This has got nothing to do with freedom and equality, if it was, there would be no restrictions on any adults forming any legally-binding relationships they wanted to; it comes across more like a jihad with a very narrow agenda to supplant the existing norm with another very specific one.

A homosexual jihad...? Honestly...? The visuals of battle would be stunning.
And guerilla warfare.... OMG.

Unfortunately for some people, when that clown Cruz speaks they hang off his every word....

Another hypocritical, bigoted jesus wheezer bites the dust!





Kentucky clerk jailed for defying court orders on gay marriage
3 hours ago



A US judge has ordered that a Kentucky official be jailed for contempt of court after she repeatedly refused to issue marriage licences to gay couples.
Kim Davis has said that her Christian faith should exempt her from signing the licences.
The US Supreme Court declared gay marriage legal in June.
After interviewing her fellow clerks, the judge said Ms Davis could go free if she allowed her deputies to grant the licences, but Davis refused.
Ms Davis, an elected official in Rowan County, has said the Supreme Court's ruling conflicts with her beliefs as a born-again Christian.
"You can't be separated from something that's in your heart in your soul," Ms Davis said. "I promised to love Him with all my heart, mind and soul because I wanted to make heaven my home."

US District Judge David Bunning said he had "no alternative" but to jail her, because issuing fines would not change her mind.
"Her good faith belief is simply not a viable defence," said Mr Bunning. "Mrs Davis took an oath. Oaths mean things."

The judge said religious beliefs do not supersede the court
He added that letting one person's beliefs supersede the authority of the court would be a dangerous example to set.
Ms Davis' lawyer, Mat Staver, said: "The judge said that he's going to bring her back out in another week and see if she's changed her mind. But knowing Kim Davis, she's a woman of strong conviction and conscience and I don't see her changing her mind."

Ms Davis' lawyer had claimed that her deputy clerks could only issues licenses under Davis' authority, but the judge overruled that objection.
Five deputy clerks told the judge on Thursday they would comply with the court order. A sixth deputy clerk, Ms Davis' son, Nathan, refused.
The judge decided not to hold Nathan Davis in contempt of court.

Hundreds of protesters lined up outside of the federal courthouse on Thursday, chanting and waving signs both of support and opposition.
Local reporters tweeted photos of the two different camps in close quarters outside of the courthouse.

Protesters screamed "Love won! Love won!" outside of the courthouse after learning of the decision.
Ms Davis stopped issuing marriage licenses to all couples in June after the legalisation of gay marriage, turning couples away repeatedly.
The US Supreme Court on Monday rejected the argument that her faith prevented her from carrying out her duty.

"I have no animosity toward anyone and harbour no ill will. To me this has never been a gay or lesbian issue. It is about marriage and God's word," she said in a statement.

She can only be removed from her position if the Kentucky legislature impeaches her because she is an elected official.
Various 2016 Republican presidential candidates, like Mike Huckabee, Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, Senator Ted Cruz and Senator Marco Rubio, have come out in support of Ms Davis' decisions.
Others like Carly Fiorina, Senator Lindsey Graham and Ohio Governor John Kasich have said she must do her job and comply with the law.

Kentucky clerk jailed for defying court orders on gay marriage - BBC News

Hmm . . . married four times.

Pregnant by husband number four while still married to husband number three.

Yes, she can judge

Earns 80k p.a. as a public servant and decides her God supersedes all.

I hope she enjoys jail

^
There's money in preaching hell and damnation, I hear.

Just when they thought they had God on their side
along comes a Christian to object.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Another hypocritical, bigoted jesus wheezer bites the dust!





Kentucky clerk jailed for defying court orders on gay marriage
3 hours ago



A US judge has ordered that a Kentucky official be jailed for contempt of court after she repeatedly refused to issue marriage licences to gay couples.
Kim Davis has said that her Christian faith should exempt her from signing the licences.
The US Supreme Court declared gay marriage legal in June.
After interviewing her fellow clerks, the judge said Ms Davis could go free if she allowed her deputies to grant the licences, but Davis refused.
Ms Davis, an elected official in Rowan County, has said the Supreme Court's ruling conflicts with her beliefs as a born-again Christian.
"You can't be separated from something that's in your heart in your soul," Ms Davis said. "I promised to love Him with all my heart, mind and soul because I wanted to make heaven my home."

US District Judge David Bunning said he had "no alternative" but to jail her, because issuing fines would not change her mind.
"Her good faith belief is simply not a viable defence," said Mr Bunning. "Mrs Davis took an oath. Oaths mean things."

The judge said religious beliefs do not supersede the court
He added that letting one person's beliefs supersede the authority of the court would be a dangerous example to set.
Ms Davis' lawyer, Mat Staver, said: "The judge said that he's going to bring her back out in another week and see if she's changed her mind. But knowing Kim Davis, she's a woman of strong conviction and conscience and I don't see her changing her mind."

Ms Davis' lawyer had claimed that her deputy clerks could only issues licenses under Davis' authority, but the judge overruled that objection.
Five deputy clerks told the judge on Thursday they would comply with the court order. A sixth deputy clerk, Ms Davis' son, Nathan, refused.
The judge decided not to hold Nathan Davis in contempt of court.

Hundreds of protesters lined up outside of the federal courthouse on Thursday, chanting and waving signs both of support and opposition.
Local reporters tweeted photos of the two different camps in close quarters outside of the courthouse.

Protesters screamed "Love won! Love won!" outside of the courthouse after learning of the decision.
Ms Davis stopped issuing marriage licenses to all couples in June after the legalisation of gay marriage, turning couples away repeatedly.
The US Supreme Court on Monday rejected the argument that her faith prevented her from carrying out her duty.

"I have no animosity toward anyone and harbour no ill will. To me this has never been a gay or lesbian issue. It is about marriage and God's word," she said in a statement.

She can only be removed from her position if the Kentucky legislature impeaches her because she is an elected official.
Various 2016 Republican presidential candidates, like Mike Huckabee, Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, Senator Ted Cruz and Senator Marco Rubio, have come out in support of Ms Davis' decisions.
Others like Carly Fiorina, Senator Lindsey Graham and Ohio Governor John Kasich have said she must do her job and comply with the law.

Kentucky clerk jailed for defying court orders on gay marriage - BBC News

Difficult to believe there are those who screwed that 4 times let alone married it.

Where's booners to launch an impassioned defense of her gleaned from the right wing fever swamp?

^I guess that makes you a statist then.

Originally Posted by Humbert

^I guess that makes you a statist then.

Lables....

Weigh in on the Gun Rights thread, Bert.

Need some fresh meat in there!

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by Humbert

Where's booners to launch an impassioned defense of her gleaned from the right wing fever swamp?

Heh...there you go again Bert assuming the so called VRWC folks would be up in arms in defense of that woman who wouldn't give out marriage licenses.

Even Our Ted has mentioned she had to follow the law although supports her right to her religious beliefs.

Too many other hot button topics out there right now to focus on than some poor woman that wanted to make a personal statement. Can't fight City Hall now can we?

Poor Booners is confused anyway, because he doesn't know whether to defend the constitution or demand its change, so he's really confused by this one.

I wonder if Boon Mee understands that no-one is forcing men to marry men and women to marry women . . . that is actually is voluntary.

I've heard that he's not very bright, so one does wonder

Originally Posted by panama hat

I wonder if Boon Mee understands that no-one is forcing men to marry men and women to marry women . . . that is actually is voluntary.

I've heard that he's not very bright, so one does wonder

I believe it is not the fact that there are same sex marriages, but the forced participation in those marriages when it is completely against there beliefs, possibly even someone as biased as you could get your head around that.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by panama hat

I wonder if Boon Mee understands that no-one is forcing men to marry men and women to marry women . . . that is actually is voluntary.

I've heard that he's not very bright, so one does wonder

I believe it is not the fact that there are same sex marriages, but the forced participation in those marriages when it is completely against there beliefs, possibly even someone as biased as you could get your head around that.

There is nothing forced about it. She took the job--ran for election--of her own free will. She took an oath to fulfill the duties as clerk for that office and swore to uphold them, with her hand on the bible, I suspect.
Now she claims she took an oath to God also. She claims that this oath supersedes the one she took for the office she now refuses to issue state licensces for , especially those licensces that are for homosexuals because homosexuality is clearly against God's law. Or so she says; I have not found a any record anywhere that God has weighed in on this.
So now she has to make a choice: who pays your check, God or the State?
I wonder when, not if, she gets her head around that.

Originally Posted by MrG

I wonder when, not if, she gets her head around that.

After her appeal is settled.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by panama hat

I wonder if Boon Mee understands that no-one is forcing men to marry men and women to marry women . . . that is actually is voluntary.

I've heard that he's not very bright, so one does wonder

I believe it is not the fact that there are same sex marriages, but the forced participation in those marriages when it is completely against there beliefs, possibly even someone as biased as you could get your head around that.

In case you don't read the other threads.... Here is her argument summed up:

And I'm fairly certain that she is in violation of Leviticus 19:19. Perhaps the judge should have had her executed.

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by panama hat

I wonder if Boon Mee understands that no-one is forcing men to marry men and women to marry women . . . that is actually is voluntary.

I've heard that he's not very bright, so one does wonder

I believe it is not the fact that there are same sex marriages, but the forced participation in those marriages when it is completely against there beliefs, possibly even someone as biased as you could get your head around that.

There is nothing forced about it. She took the job--ran for election--of her own free will. She took an oath to fulfill the duties as clerk for that office and swore to uphold them, with her hand on the bible, I suspect.
Now she claims she took an oath to God also. She claims that this oath supersedes the one she took for the office she now refuses to issue state licensces for , especially those licensces that are for homosexuals because homosexuality is clearly against God's law. Or so she says; I have not found a any record anywhere that God has weighed in on this.
So now she has to make a choice: who pays your check, God or the State?
I wonder when, not if, she gets her head around that.

You need to repeat this another ten times before rpeters can decipher the meaning . . . of the first sentence

hmm. if i remember rightly incest is against gods law too... but exactly who did the children of adam and eve fuck to create the grand kids?

if god's willing to bend the rules.... so should this jesus weaser.

US Court Clerk Still Jailed in Gay Marriage Rights Case

The Kentucky court clerk who is defying a U.S. federal judge's order to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples remained in jail Monday even as her lawyer appeals the ruling that landed her behind bars.

Kim Davis, a born-again Christian, has been jailed since Thursday for contempt of court after she refused to issue the licenses because she said that authorizing the gay marriages would violate her religious beliefs.

Her lawyer is appealing her jailing, saying that to issue the marriage licenses would "violate her conscience and betray her God."

But with Monday's Labor Day holiday in the United States, there was no immediate hearing set to consider the appeal.

Judge David Bunning has said that Davis, the Rowan County clerk, will be freed as soon as she agrees to issue the licenses, as her position requires, or she resigns. Davis has refused to do either. She could be jailed indefinitely.

'She won't bow'

On Saturday, hundreds of people gathered in support of Davis. Her husband, Joe Davis, addressed the crowd outside the Carter County Detention Center. "She won't bow, I promise you," he told the crowd.

After Kim Davis was jailed, other court officials started issuing the licenses to same-sex couples, allowing them to marry in accordance with a U.S. Supreme Court decision in June.

A gay couple, James Yates and William Smith Jr., received a marriage license Friday from a deputy clerk at Davis' office.

"This means at least for this area that civil rights are civil rights and they are not subject to belief,'' Yates said.

The White House supports the court ruling.

"There's a rule of law and the principle of the rule of law is central to our democracy," spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters.

Davis stopped issuing marriage licenses to all couples – gay and straight – after the U.S. Supreme Court legalized same-sex weddings in June.

A lower court ordered her to approve the licenses. An appeals court upheld the lower court ruling and last Monday, the U.S. Supreme Court rejected Davis' request to block that ruling.

US Court Clerk Still Jailed in Gay Marriage Rights Case

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by panama hat

I wonder if Boon Mee understands that no-one is forcing men to marry men and women to marry women . . . that is actually is voluntary.

I've heard that he's not very bright, so one does wonder

I believe it is not the fact that there are same sex marriages, but the forced participation in those marriages when it is completely against there beliefs, possibly even someone as biased as you could get your head around that.

There is nothing forced about it. She took the job--ran for election--of her own free will. She took an oath to fulfill the duties as clerk for that office and swore to uphold them, with her hand on the bible, I suspect.
Now she claims she took an oath to God also. She claims that this oath supersedes the one she took for the office she now refuses to issue state licensces for , especially those licensces that are for homosexuals because homosexuality is clearly against God's law. Or so she says; I have not found a any record anywhere that God has weighed in on this.
So now she has to make a choice: who pays your check, God or the State?
I wonder when, not if, she gets her head around that.

I was not speaking of the county clerk but of the cake baker who has been sued and fined out of her private business. I agree the county clerk should give up her job if she cannot perform her duties.