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^At the risk of being pedantic, ok I am being pedantic. its you cannot travel faster than the speed of light in a vacuum.

Light kind of goes slower in materials and these photos showing a blue glow round reactor fuel rods, that blue light is essentially a sonic boom caused by particles going though the water faster than the speed of light in water, but still slower than the speed of light in a vacuum.

Then we have the experiment in CERN where they are finding that neutrinos are travelling faster than the speed of light in a vacuum and arriving 60ns too early, or to put it another way they are traveling an extra 60ft on a 400km journey, so its a very small effect and error in the experiment rather than new science.
Not what further tests have suggested...

You are offering your opinion, which to my mind is based on your ideas of the limitations of science.

What I'm saying, and I suggested it is supported by history, is that there are no limitations , per se, to science; science is our minds, and our minds are always evolving and creating.

Not so much historical evidence, more a body of experimental and theoretical evidence which which has consistently confirmed that the speed of light in a vacuum cannot be exceeded. One experiment means little under these circumstances, but its an issue that needs to be put to bed. so whats needed is a second experiment, which the americans are doing and a explanation for why this observation is being seen.... which they are still working on.

Another group at the same site have said that their experiment proved that these faster than light neutrinos cannot be travelling faster than the speed of light, because they are arriving with too much energy for that to be the case. But then their statement depends upon our understanding of the science being correct and that is only true if the observed speed of the neutrinos is wrong.. so thats not much of an assurance.

I intended but didn't write "so its a very small effect andalmost certainly an error in the experiment rather than new science" But yes, that is a speculative opinion.