Thread: obama's 2012 campaign

Originally Posted by larvidchr

Obama now has 4 years to fix this problem, issue a safe Government ID for free to everyone wishing to have one,

Oh yeah, I can just see Obama pushing that bill through congress. They'd put his ass in a sling for trying to institute a national ID, and maybe rightfully so.

Originally Posted by larvidchr

If it was up to me...it should be made a civic duty to vote, showing a valid government issued ID, and with forinstance a tax penalty for the next year if you do not have an accepted reason for not voting.

Acceppted reason...? You're either on the grid or you don't participate...?
Seriously?
Nothing like getting Gubbmint off our backs.

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by barbaro

Originally Posted by MrG

A woman in line behind me said she needed to get her picture ID. She didn't know that you didn't need one, so I told her. She buttoned up her purse. Felt good again.

I think EVERY voter should have a PHOTO I.D. to vote.

Tell me "MrG" why they should not?

So dead people can vote?

So one person as multiple people can vote?

Interesting rant.

Seems that in-person voter fraud of the kind that would require an ID are hard to find--3 in the past 10 years, or some such ridiculous number. Simply put, it has never been shown that there is a need to make people carry and show an ID to vote.

In the same way, should we require absentee voters to provide a notary stamp. Seems only right if the obsession is to go after people who can't be found and aren't a problem.

A much more insidious problem is what they found Rethuglican hired operatives doing: destroying voter registrations of Democrats. Go to vote...you're not registered. How's that for voter fraud.

Then there's electronic voting. The machines are unreliable, easy to hack, and there is no paper trail. Voter fraud on a mass scale.

Picture ID at the voting station: it's a known voter suppression technique, solves nothing, but sure sounds strong.

I'd be curious about Barbaro's response to the several responses to him, though I'm afraid one won't be forthcoming - at least not until he receives his proper talking points from on high...

Originally Posted by barbaro

So dead people can vote? So one person as multiple people can vote?

When even Michelle Malkin is denying claims of left-wing voter fraud...you know you're waaaaaay off the rails.

Voter fraud rumor of the day: 141% voter turnout in St. Lucie County, Fla. | Twitchy

states have the responsibility to run the election. They do it better or worse depending on the state.

The voters' eligibility is one item the state is responsible for and if the state determines that a photo ID is required to assure that, then that is, finally, a decision for the state.

However,
- a large number of states do not need a photo id to assure the integrity of their voter roles.
- a lot of voters do not have photo id

and most importantly, the voter id laws in the last election were patently NOT in order to assure the integrity of the vote, but explicitly to reduce the voter participation among some populations. Witness public statements from FL, PA, WI for examples.

The root of the problem is that elections are not professionally run, but run by the party in power. This obvious conflict of interest would not be tolerated by international observers of elections in other countries, but it is the norm in the USA. Example, a good friend and his wife, university professors, went to vote in philly. They were asked to produce photo id which they actually did have with them, but it is not the law. They refused because they knew better. Was it intimidating? He said yes. They were able to vote.

I'm still waiting for the long lists of Democratic voter fraud from the Republican acolytes who, when confronted with Republican voter fraud, claim "the Democrats do the exact same".

Oddly, all that follows when that assertion is challenged is long ... silence.

Does Mr. Obama deserve another term?

To the real question of what Mr. Obama deserves, unless you have been sleeping for the last four years, it was not re-election. This President is no Roosevelt my friends and Roosevelt was "snake in the grass" who took every opportunity to circumvent, like the President, the Constitution while governing by executive fiat.
No, Mr. Obama has had no WPA, no CCC no "New Deal", no fireside chats, and certainly no World War to run on.

What he has, is a medicated electorate majority, drugged on "free" and "subsidized", with a dash of bile and envy thrown in to just the right measure. An electorate, young and coddled, spoiled underachievers, grandchildren of the greatest generation. A generation that wore ties to baseball games and went to college at night on the GI Bill. Grandchildren, who have no idea how or why anyone would aspire to anything because after all, its the "Rich", who control everything, and aspiring would be selling out rather than showing ambition.

No, sadly, this man, this President, this charlatan, will rule for another four years. Not on merit, but by the grace of numb skulls, that legalize, as if it were some achievement, Marijuana in Colorado whilst the deficit......with a capital D, looms large at 16 Trillion U.S.DLRS and counting.

As I peruse this veritable shark tank of ideas, sadly, for "We the people", there is precious little discussion of the international issue of the century, United States sovereign debt. Oh, the '' lefties" said this and the "righties" that, all right, but the 500 pound Gorilla in the room is the printing of United States Dollars at a rate unprecedented for any currency in human history. Currency so debased, so worthless, so inflationary, yet so instrumental to the false belief that the world can continue on the present course forever.

Barack Obama is a mere "cardboard cutout" of a President. His high minded rhetoric plays well to the uninformed and the entitled, yet, who will pay?

For an instant, consider, it can never be paid. Consider again that without drastic cuts across the board to all programs, Military, Social Security, Medicare, Obama Care, Welfare, Departments etc., etc, the programs will terminate on their own for lack of funding. When a central bank, the United States Federal Reserve, cannot find buyers for its debt and as a result begins to buy back its own debt (not sure how this little number is called "easing") the world, and if we Americans look around for a change, our country will realize that all the spending, wars, promises, programs bla, bla, bla have brought ourselves and the world to the fucking brink.

We can all pontificate about who brought us here, Oh yes. We can advocate for this poor bastard or that one over there; yet we must face the fact, the "jig" is up. Too few are left to pay for the too many and there is no tax increase, no revenue scheme to squeeze the "rich" for even their last "ill gotten gain" that can reduce this monster.

No, only the hard thing will satisfy. We don't need scalpels, we need a "Meat ax" to deal with this problem. Moreover, we need the Left to wake up and the Right to grow some Huevos, with a commitment to the Constitution that they swore to protect and defend.

Whining Unions, Civil Rights Leaders and Women at war, will find bread lines and soup kitchens far less preferable to regaining fiscal sanity. Even when, God forbid, votes may be at stake.

President Obama was re-elected by a respectable majority. In a democracy, winning an election means he deserves a second term.

If you are trying to undermine his legitimacy in office by joining the "he's not and American" crowd it's going to take more than the trite, cliched name calling and sky-is-falling fear mongering that the Rethugs lost the election on.

So do you have any solutions to this problem. You suggest a meat axe on spending instead of raising revenues on the wealthy, which have seen wealth redistribution in increasing amounts since Reagan. The Obama haters seem to have only name calling rants, but nary a mention of a solution for a problem that they brought on and can't take responbsibility to help fix.

Originally Posted by MacP

Does Mr. Obama deserve another term?

Yes!

Why?

Because he's not an asshole.

Originally Posted by MacP

Does Mr. Obama deserve another term?

To the real question of what Mr. Obama deserves, unless you have been sleeping for the last four years, it was not re-election. This President is no Roosevelt my friends and Roosevelt was "snake in the grass" who took every opportunity to circumvent, like the President, the Constitution while governing by executive fiat.
No, Mr. Obama has had no WPA, no CCC no "New Deal", no fireside chats, and certainly no World War to run on.

What he has, is a medicated electorate majority, drugged on "free" and "subsidized", with a dash of bile and envy thrown in to just the right measure. An electorate, young and coddled, spoiled underachievers, grandchildren of the greatest generation. A generation that wore ties to baseball games and went to college at night on the GI Bill. Grandchildren, who have no idea how or why anyone would aspire to anything because after all, its the "Rich", who control everything, and aspiring would be selling out rather than showing ambition.

No, sadly, this man, this President, this charlatan, will rule for another four years. Not on merit, but by the grace of numb skulls, that legalize, as if it were some achievement, Marijuana in Colorado whilst the deficit......with a capital D, looms large at 16 Trillion U.S.DLRS and counting.

As I peruse this veritable shark tank of ideas, sadly, for "We the people", there is precious little discussion of the international issue of the century, United States sovereign debt. Oh, the '' lefties" said this and the "righties" that, all right, but the 500 pound Gorilla in the room is the printing of United States Dollars at a rate unprecedented for any currency in human history. Currency so debased, so worthless, so inflationary, yet so instrumental to the false belief that the world can continue on the present course forever.

Barack Obama is a mere "cardboard cutout" of a President. His high minded rhetoric plays well to the uninformed and the entitled, yet, who will pay?

For an instant, consider, it can never be paid. Consider again that without drastic cuts across the board to all programs, Military, Social Security, Medicare, Obama Care, Welfare, Departments etc., etc, the programs will terminate on their own for lack of funding. When a central bank, the United States Federal Reserve, cannot find buyers for its debt and as a result begins to buy back its own debt (not sure how this little number is called "easing") the world, and if we Americans look around for a change, our country will realize that all the spending, wars, promises, programs bla, bla, bla have brought ourselves and the world to the fucking brink.

We can all pontificate about who brought us here, Oh yes. We can advocate for this poor bastard or that one over there; yet we must face the fact, the "jig" is up. Too few are left to pay for the too many and there is no tax increase, no revenue scheme to squeeze the "rich" for even their last "ill gotten gain" that can reduce this monster.

No, only the hard thing will satisfy. We don't need scalpels, we need a "Meat ax" to deal with this problem. Moreover, we need the Left to wake up and the Right to grow some Huevos, with a commitment to the Constitution that they swore to protect and defend.

Whining Unions, Civil Rights Leaders and Women at war, will find bread lines and soup kitchens far less preferable to regaining fiscal sanity. Even when, God forbid, votes may be at stake.

WOW! That is the biggest steaming pile of a post I have come across in sometime. I wont bother to ask you if you thought that up yourself as it is most obviously been spoon fed by BS mountain aka Fox News, Glenn Beck and Rush. Excuse me while I go wash my shoes.

Originally Posted by MacP

Does Mr. Obama deserve another term?

To the real question of what Mr. Obama deserves, unless you have been sleeping for the last four years, it was not re-election. This President is no Roosevelt my friends and Roosevelt was "snake in the grass" who took every opportunity to circumvent, like the President, the Constitution while governing by executive fiat.
No, Mr. Obama has had no WPA, no CCC no "New Deal", no fireside chats, and certainly no World War to run on.

What he has, is a medicated electorate majority, drugged on "free" and "subsidized", with a dash of bile and envy thrown in to just the right measure. An electorate, young and coddled, spoiled underachievers, grandchildren of the greatest generation. A generation that wore ties to baseball games and went to college at night on the GI Bill. Grandchildren, who have no idea how or why anyone would aspire to anything because after all, its the "Rich", who control everything, and aspiring would be selling out rather than showing ambition.

No, sadly, this man, this President, this charlatan, will rule for another four years. Not on merit, but by the grace of numb skulls, that legalize, as if it were some achievement, Marijuana in Colorado whilst the deficit......with a capital D, looms large at 16 Trillion U.S.DLRS and counting.

As I peruse this veritable shark tank of ideas, sadly, for "We the people", there is precious little discussion of the international issue of the century, United States sovereign debt. Oh, the '' lefties" said this and the "righties" that, all right, but the 500 pound Gorilla in the room is the printing of United States Dollars at a rate unprecedented for any currency in human history. Currency so debased, so worthless, so inflationary, yet so instrumental to the false belief that the world can continue on the present course forever.

Barack Obama is a mere "cardboard cutout" of a President. His high minded rhetoric plays well to the uninformed and the entitled, yet, who will pay?

For an instant, consider, it can never be paid. Consider again that without drastic cuts across the board to all programs, Military, Social Security, Medicare, Obama Care, Welfare, Departments etc., etc, the programs will terminate on their own for lack of funding. When a central bank, the United States Federal Reserve, cannot find buyers for its debt and as a result begins to buy back its own debt (not sure how this little number is called "easing") the world, and if we Americans look around for a change, our country will realize that all the spending, wars, promises, programs bla, bla, bla have brought ourselves and the world to the fucking brink.

We can all pontificate about who brought us here, Oh yes. We can advocate for this poor bastard or that one over there; yet we must face the fact, the "jig" is up. Too few are left to pay for the too many and there is no tax increase, no revenue scheme to squeeze the "rich" for even their last "ill gotten gain" that can reduce this monster.

No, only the hard thing will satisfy. We don't need scalpels, we need a "Meat ax" to deal with this problem. Moreover, we need the Left to wake up and the Right to grow some Huevos, with a commitment to the Constitution that they swore to protect and defend.

Whining Unions, Civil Rights Leaders and Women at war, will find bread lines and soup kitchens far less preferable to regaining fiscal sanity. Even when, God forbid, votes may be at stake.

read krugman, he's got a brain which is engaged.

in the short-term, the debt is NOT the problem, jobs and the economy are.

Since the 'free market' has fallen flat on its face, the only entity which can make a conscious decision to stimulate demand (ie: the real job creator), is the government.

This economy is hobbling along - it still needs a boost. Austerity is the wrong answer to the problem.

Originally Posted by barbaro

And MrG, as for your post above, there have been tight races, and yes, it's unlikely for one person to be a fraudster, let alone organize say, 10 or 50 to vote twice. But like everything, it's possible, and asking people to have I.D. to vote is not asking much.

Not asking much unless you are one of those who are too sick, poor, elderly or unable to get yourself an ID. But that's precisely the population who the opposition don't want to vote. Seems like a very large price to stop 50 potential fraudsters. I don't know if they've ever found 50 such people in the total of all elections in American history. Voter ID is a cure without a disease.

The 'greatest generation' is dead, and the people usurping it's name in vain are the ones who have run America into deep debt, and do not want to pay it back- just leave it to the kids. That isn't very great, at all. They refer with trumped up 'patriotic pride' to a 1950's or 60's America that never existed outside of soap operas, and that they never knew anyway. I trust people know exactly how seriously to take people that display their tainted flag on their sleeve. Americas debt problems are solvable, but the answer is not to be found in fake nostalgia or the Andy Griffiths show.

Originally Posted by sabang

I trust people know exactly how seriously to take people that display their tainted flag on their sleeve. Americas debt problems are solvable, but the answer is not to be found in fake nostalgia or the Andy Griffiths show.

Unfortunatly, for the opposition whose ideas have played out so disasterously and who have nothing else to give at this juncture in history, flag waving nostalgia and myth making is how politics is played.

If the Republican Party can't let the adults take over, the problem will become more worrisome.

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by sabang

I trust people know exactly how seriously to take people that display their tainted flag on their sleeve. Americas debt problems are solvable, but the answer is not to be found in fake nostalgia or the Andy Griffiths show.

Unfortunatly, for the opposition whose ideas have played out so disasterously and who have nothing else to give at this juncture in history, flag waving nostalgia and myth making is how politics is played.

If the Republican Party can't let the adults take over, the problem will become more worrisome.

Wrong, it will become self-correcting.

Originally Posted by Anatidaephobia

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by sabang

I trust people know exactly how seriously to take people that display their tainted flag on their sleeve. Americas debt problems are solvable, but the answer is not to be found in fake nostalgia or the Andy Griffiths show.

Unfortunatly, for the opposition whose ideas have played out so disasterously and who have nothing else to give at this juncture in history, flag waving nostalgia and myth making is how politics is played.

If the Republican Party can't let the adults take over, the problem will become more worrisome.

Wrong, it will become self-correcting.

One hopes it will become self correcting, but apparantly bullit head John McCain and Little Lindsey Graham haven't gotten the message.

To wit: Susan Rice went on camera and adhered to the talking points given to her by the Intelligence Community about the attack on the Libyan Mission. When it was pointed out to Lindsey Graham, his response was that she should have known better, and if she didn't it's her fault. This is not the reasoning of an adult who wants to do the nation's business. This is the sound of a politician trying to gin up a controversy against the Obama Administration.

Originally Posted by MrG

One hopes it will become self correcting, but apparantly bullit head John McCain and Little Lindsey Graham haven't gotten the message.

To wit: Susan Rice went on camera and adhered to the talking points given to her by the Intelligence Community about the attack on the Libyan Mission. When it was pointed out to Lindsey Graham, his response was that she should have known better, and if she didn't it's her fault.

Condi Rice and Susan Rice, which one of these women was actually involved in failing to prevent deaths of Americans, and then shamelessly pushed false intel to justify a costly invasion?

And which one did McCain and Graham support as Secretary of State nominee?

Condi Rice: Lied to congress about not getting a report about Al Qaeda plans on attacking the US for the biggest terrorist attack on US soil killing ~3000 Americans. GOP wants her as president or veep.

Susan Rice: Didn't label people as terrorists before facts were in, for an attack killing 4. GOP says she is too incompetent to be secretary of state.

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Originally Posted by barbaro

Not asking much unless you are one of those who are too sick, poor, elderly or unable to get yourself an ID. But that's precisely the population who the opposition don't want to vote.

And what percentage of the population is too sick?

State I.D.s last for several years. I had one once (in addition to my driver's license).

What percentage of people are too poor to pay $11 dollars for a state ID that lasts for several years? ($11 in my state is what it costs).

Too elderly? My grandmother is 96 years old. She has photo ID.

"Opposition" does not want these people to vote? I do not think they care. The numbers (as you state) are too low for any "opposition" to want them not to vote.

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Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by barbaro

Not asking much unless you are one of those who are too sick, poor, elderly or unable to get yourself an ID. But that's precisely the population who the opposition don't want to vote.

And what percentage of the population is too sick?

State I.D.s last for several years. I had one once (in addition to my driver's license).

What percentage of people are too poor to pay $11 dollars for a state ID that lasts for several years? ($11 in my state is what it costs).

Too elderly? My grandmother is 96 years old. She has photo ID.

"Opposition" does not want these people to vote? I do not think they care. The numbers (as you state) are too low for any "opposition" to want them not to vote.

Funny how you pretend the other instances of fraud by the GOP didn't happen or weren't brought up... odd, that.

This may be beyond cognition for you, but for some people, $11 is too expensive.

Originally Posted by barbaro

What percentage of people are too poor to pay $11 dollars for a state ID that lasts for several years? ($11 in my state is what it costs).

That's not the point. It doesn't matter if it is 11 cents, 11 bucks or 11,000 bucks, it's still a poll tax and therefore an unconstitutional attempt to restrict voting rights.

If voter ID is so crucial to the GOP why aren't they pushing for every citizen to be given one once they reach the eligible age?

Originally Posted by Minnie Maugham

obama's 2012 campaign

Obama - 332, Romney - 206.
In short, no contest!!
$300 mil + spent. Result - Romney wins 33 more electoral votes than McCain.

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Originally Posted by barbaro

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by barbaro

Not asking much unless you are one of those who are too sick, poor, elderly or unable to get yourself an ID. But that's precisely the population who the opposition don't want to vote.

And what percentage of the population is too sick?

State I.D.s last for several years. I had one once (in addition to my driver's license).

What percentage of people are too poor to pay $11 dollars for a state ID that lasts for several years? ($11 in my state is what it costs).

Too elderly? My grandmother is 96 years old. She has photo ID.

"Opposition" does not want these people to vote? I do not think they care. The numbers (as you state) are too low for any "opposition" to want them not to vote.

Funny how you pretend the other instances of fraud by the GOP didn't happen or weren't brought up... odd, that.

I assume you're referring to me. If so, you should re-read MANY of posts over MANY YEARS.

The GOP has conducted MASSIVE frauds. Ohio, FL, and other areas in recent elections and I have posted about it.

This may be beyond cognition for you, but for some people, $11 is too expensive.

I disagree.

$11 usd for an I.D. that allows you go to do many things (I.D. is required to enter a free beer garden at a fair where I live. And other areas require it at times also.)

If someone cannot afford a valid I.D. that lasts for several years that costs $11 usd, how do they eat? Pay rent? Pay for gas? Pay for electricity? Pay for water?

What percentage of people in the United States cannot afford to pay $11 usd for a valid state ID that is good for several years?

Do you even think these people can function in any circumstance?

Please tell me about these people.

I grew up in a working class and poor area, BTW.

Originally Posted by Norton

$300 mil + spent. Result - Romney wins 33 more electoral votes than McCain.

Try closer to $1-$2 billion spent.

End result : zero!