Thread: help on fish breeding in pattaya please

hi im interested in learning how and what to breed here in pattaya.

firstly, let me say i have very little knowledge of fish, and the breeding, buying selling them etc.

i want to know what fish grow quick, cheap to buy, easy to maintain, sell easy, are in demand etc etc.

i have a small lake and it has catfish in there and many other types of fish, the big catfish the thais dont like to eat but they seem to like the small ones??

i would like some more of the big ones but they are quite expensive to buy, and when i last bought some approx 60 35 of them died within days.

we think we have this problem fixed now as we think it was the transportation on delivery that made them ill.

so basically thats it really, if anyone can give anyhelp recomendations, where to buy what to try etc etc anyhelp is more than appreicated.

many thanks
chris

Thats a lot of die off, maybe environmental shock. Catfish are generally pretty resilient, at least in my experience in keeping some in aquariums (e.g. Plecos, RTCs, and other decent sized cats).

The threads Norton has linked are very helpful, I suggest you read those and do a lot of research before even starting such a thing. Fish can get very expensive very quick whether its an aquarium, pond, or a lake, especially when you have no idea what you are doing.

^Very true. Not the same as growing fish for commercial purposes, but my wife got into the idea of raising koi fish in our outdoor fish pond. She basically figured, buy the fish, put them in clean water, feed them, and you're good to go. Cost a fair bit in dead koi before she figured out there was more to it than that.

Originally Posted by drawp

Thats a lot of die off, maybe environmental shock. Catfish are generally pretty resilient, at least in my experience in keeping some in aquariums (e.g. Plecos, RTCs, and other decent sized cats).

The threads Norton has linked are very helpful, I suggest you read those and do a lot of research before even starting such a thing. Fish can get very expensive very quick whether its an aquarium, pond, or a lake, especially when you have no idea what you are doing.

yeah we think from what some people say that they were too many fish in the pick up when they brought them out, have a look see what your opion is please.



so im upto that stage really, bought some lost some, so now learning a bit, by bit.

now the lad that sold me the koi carp. he brought them in platic bags with water in them, then he laid them on the water for about 15 mins, he coulnt speak english but we think he said for the tempreture to get adjusted, then he set them free.

we didnt lose 1 of the carp, so i trust this guy as to know what hes doing altho he ripped us off with the price

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

^Very true. Not the same as growing fish for commercial purposes, but my wife got into the idea of raising koi fish in our outdoor fish pond. She basically figured, buy the fish, put them in clean water, feed them, and you're good to go. Cost a fair bit in dead koi before she figured out there was more to it than that.

yeah im about the same stage as your wife was then , but eager to learn

this is one of the koi carp getting caught, we added them only cos i like the colours




so next step for me then gents is?? any ideas??

Originally Posted by funfun123

Originally Posted by drawp

Thats a lot of die off, maybe environmental shock. Catfish are generally pretty resilient, at least in my experience in keeping some in aquariums (e.g. Plecos, RTCs, and other decent sized cats).

The threads Norton has linked are very helpful, I suggest you read those and do a lot of research before even starting such a thing. Fish can get very expensive very quick whether its an aquarium, pond, or a lake, especially when you have no idea what you are doing.

yeah we think from what some people say that they were too many fish in the pick up when they brought them out, have a look see what your opion is please.



so im upto that stage really, bought some lost some, so now learning a bit, by bit.

now the lad that sold me the koi carp. he brought them in platic bags with water in them, then he laid them on the water for about 15 mins, he coulnt speak english but we think he said for the tempreture to get adjusted, then he set them free.

we didnt lose 1 of the carp, so i trust this guy as to know what hes doing altho he ripped us off with the price

Yes, that is generally the most common way of doing it. The fish must be acclimated, otherwise they'll be in shock and at that point they'll be very susceptible to various diseases/sicknesses. I always float the bag and add water from whatever I'm putting them in to. This video has a very good explanation:



Basically there's a ton of stuff that affects the fish from the temp and pH level to the nitrites, nitrates, etc. The smallest change in these can wreak havoc on a fish, especially one that is currently in the process of being relocated.

Maybe you should take a look at this web site Monster Fish Keepers

Originally Posted by drawp

Originally Posted by funfun123

Originally Posted by drawp

Thats a lot of die off, maybe environmental shock. Catfish are generally pretty resilient, at least in my experience in keeping some in aquariums (e.g. Plecos, RTCs, and other decent sized cats).

The threads Norton has linked are very helpful, I suggest you read those and do a lot of research before even starting such a thing. Fish can get very expensive very quick whether its an aquarium, pond, or a lake, especially when you have no idea what you are doing.

yeah we think from what some people say that they were too many fish in the pick up when they brought them out, have a look see what your opion is please.



so im upto that stage really, bought some lost some, so now learning a bit, by bit.

now the lad that sold me the koi carp. he brought them in platic bags with water in them, then he laid them on the water for about 15 mins, he coulnt speak english but we think he said for the tempreture to get adjusted, then he set them free.

we didnt lose 1 of the carp, so i trust this guy as to know what hes doing altho he ripped us off with the price

Yes, that is generally the most common way of doing it. The fish must be acclimated, otherwise they'll be in shock and at that point they'll be very susceptible to various diseases/sicknesses. I always float the bag and add water from whatever I'm putting them in to. This video has a very good explanation:



Basically there's a ton of stuff that affects the fish from the temp and pH level to the nitrites, nitrates, etc. The smallest change in these can wreak havoc on a fish, especially one that is currently in the process of being relocated.

yeah thats a good vid thanks, thats basically what the thai guy did with the koi carp, not as efficent but roughly that, so im presumeing he didnt put chemicals in the water as he only came a short distance accross pattaya.



ok im learning bit by bit, so what sort of fish should we think i should get lil bay cheap ones and if you can can you pronouce it in thai for me and any good shops wherehouse etc i may get them??


many thanks

chris

right then, so what fish do i want??

come on somone give me a clue??

open to any ideas??


Davis Knowlton????

drawp ?????

or anyone??

Hey Fun: I think Norton's pretty much got it. My wife was just raising them for fun, not food. That said, it does seem that ours thrive in dirty water. If you clean the pond, they die off (some). If they wallow in filth, they appear to be very happy and also reproduce.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

If they wallow in filth, they appear to be very happy and also reproduce.

Not sure I would call it filth but they do well in mucky, yucky water most would avoid swimming in.

Originally Posted by funfun123

hi im interested in learning how and what to breed here in pattaya.

not from any bar

but Tilapia do well on the farms, as do the Snakehead and Ruby

they all sell well in the markets

Originally Posted by funfun123

right then, so what fish do i want??

come on somone give me a clue??

open to any ideas??


Davis Knowlton????

drawp ?????

or anyone??

Sounds like you need someone to hold your hand, or do you not read the reply's

A picture of some dead Catfish that didn't make it after delivery. Probably about 10% died the first couple of days, after that they seemed fine. This took place near Korat at a medium sized pond owned by a farang I was hanging out with at the time.

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by funfun123

right then, so what fish do i want??

If your interest is in food fish then suggest you start with easiest to raise with lowest cost. We stock our ponds annually with catfish, snake head and tilapia. All available from local suppliers. Catfish are 1 baht each for fingerlings. Don't recall price for fingerling snakehead or tilapia but relatively low cost.

Catfish - Pla dook
Snakehead - Pla tjon
Tilapia - Pla nim

All sorts of fish indigenous to Thailand. Suggest you stick with them. You will have to do some research for which ones do well in ponds.

TeakDoor.com - The Thailand Forum Thai Fresh Water Fish

thanks for that, so if i go get, and i wont buy too many this time as we had a lot die, if i buy say the cat fish, pla dook, thats the smaller version i presume that the thais eat?

1.can i put them stright in the pond with others and big fish or will i have to put them in tubs for a while??

2. what is the name of the other catfish that grow really big that the thais do not eat, but the falangs like to catch? or is it the same fish ? ive been told both at moment so no idea?

cos for them i was paying about 65 bhat per kilo fully grown 60 of them was just short of 30 thousand?

do you also i see you from roiet but do you know any dealers stores etc that i can rely on / not get ripped off in the pattaya chonburi area??

many thanks

Originally Posted by Roger Lee

A picture of some dead Catfish that didn't make it after delivery. Probably about 10% died the first couple of days, after that they seemed fine. This took place near Korat at a medium sized pond owned by a farang I was hanging out with at the time.

yes we had about 30 die similar looking fish or same not sure, but ours died like 4 days on and then everyday it was 1 or 2 poping up??

but they had marcks around there mouths and like scabs on thier side??

Originally Posted by FarangRed

Originally Posted by funfun123

right then, so what fish do i want??

come on somone give me a clue??

open to any ideas??


Davis Knowlton????

drawp ?????

or anyone??

Sounds like you need someone to hold your hand, or do you not read the reply's

hey i reallly do need someone to hold my hand, its somthing i havent got a clue about, i do read replys, i looked at your pond in your house, ive looked at many, now although your pond is nice its not relivent to me, i looked at the monster fish site your sent me link, thats for people in the know again not relivent to me.

thanks for your help but you have to understand i have very little knowledge of fish, complied the fact the staff dont speak english and i dont speak thai, add to that the most falangs i have takn there fish in the uk etc and are not used to thai waters fish etc, thats why im on here.

chris

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Originally Posted by funfun123

hi im interested in learning how and what to breed here in pattaya.

not from any bar

but Tilapia do well on the farms, as do the Snakehead and Ruby

they all sell well in the markets

cheers for that you dont know the thai name for ruby do you ?? or is that thai??

many thanks

chris

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Hey Fun: I think Norton's pretty much got it. My wife was just raising them for fun, not food. That said, it does seem that ours thrive in dirty water. If you clean the pond, they die off (some). If they wallow in filth, they appear to be very happy and also reproduce.

cheers for that, ours is murky water i would say but not brown as many of the parks seem to be, in fact some say its clean??

i would say you can see a koi carp in the water to a depth of maybe 4 / 6 inshes no more.

we stopped feeding the fish already in the pond about 2 weeks ago as they appear over fed and not biting.

i was there yesterday, and many fish were caught, no big ones but as iwas leaving last night about 8 pm i threw the leftover bread into the pond and nothing seem to come up for it??? even the ducks seemed to be asleep ha ha ha, so still not sure but a guy in the shop said dont feed them for a month????

cheers chris

Originally Posted by funfun123

Originally Posted by FarangRed

Originally Posted by funfun123

right then, so what fish do i want??

come on somone give me a clue??

open to any ideas??


Davis Knowlton????

drawp ?????

or anyone??

Sounds like you need someone to hold your hand, or do you not read the reply's

hey i reallly do need someone to hold my hand, its somthing i havent got a clue about, i do read replys, i looked at your pond in your house, ive looked at many, now although your pond is nice its not relivent to me, i looked at the monster fish site your sent me link, thats for people in the know again not relivent to me.

thanks for your help but you have to understand i have very little knowledge of fish, complied the fact the staff dont speak english and i dont speak thai, add to that the most falangs i have takn there fish in the uk etc and are not used to thai waters fish etc, thats why im on here.

chris

Over 2 years ago I never had a fish pond it's trial and error and as I said in my thread I'm not an expert.

Just get on with it and see how it comes together ok everybody loses fish at least they are not expensive.

I lost 2 stingrays they were expensive but the rest have been fine.

I have another fish pond at the other end of the garden I havnt taken any photo's of that one yet

Originally Posted by FarangRed

Originally Posted by funfun123

Originally Posted by FarangRed

Originally Posted by funfun123

right then, so what fish do i want??

come on somone give me a clue??

open to any ideas??


Davis Knowlton????

drawp ?????

or anyone??

Sounds like you need someone to hold your hand, or do you not read the reply's

hey i reallly do need someone to hold my hand, its somthing i havent got a clue about, i do read replys, i looked at your pond in your house, ive looked at many, now although your pond is nice its not relivent to me, i looked at the monster fish site your sent me link, thats for people in the know again not relivent to me.

thanks for your help but you have to understand i have very little knowledge of fish, complied the fact the staff dont speak english and i dont speak thai, add to that the most falangs i have takn there fish in the uk etc and are not used to thai waters fish etc, thats why im on here.

chris

Over 2 years ago I never had a fish pond it's trial and error and as I said in my thread I'm not an expert.

Just get on with it and see how it comes together ok everybody loses fish at least they are not expensive.

I lost 2 stingrays they were expensive but the rest have been fine.

I have another fish pond at the other end of the garden I havnt taken any photo's of that one yet

cheers red, im not knocking you mate, i posted

help on fish breeding in pattaya please hi im interested in learning how and what to breed here in pattaya.

firstly, let me say i have very little knowledge of fish, and the breeding, buying selling them etc.

i want to know what fish grow quick, cheap to buy, easy to maintain, sell easy, are in demand etc etc.


the stuff you posted including me getting on with it is not what i want to hear, dosnt mean your right or wrong, its not what i need to know.

the helpfull ones are named fish that wiil suit me, with thai names as somone repled above, i can now go out and enquire about them.

all this on here is to save me time and money and mistakes and if someone can help with that thats great for me.

cheers

chris

Originally Posted by funfun123

i want to know what fish grow quick, cheap to buy, easy to maintain, sell easy, are in demand etc etc.

Aquaculture is not for the faint hearted. Making a decent living from it is going to require a very large investment, expensive learning curve and a constant battle with the big boys in the market.

We have a member (Dalton) who tried but in the end was unsuccessful even though he dedicated himself full time to making a go of it. Unless you have large fortune and strong Thai partner experienced in the market, my advice is don't go there. To make a good living you are talking big investment and less than "fair" competition from the big Thai companies in the business.

Some of Dalton's treads.

https://teakdoor.com/farming-and-gard...l-project.html
https://teakdoor.com/food-and-drink/2...-thailand.html
https://teakdoor.com/farming-and-gard...and-ideas.html
https://teakdoor.com/farming-and-gard...-the-guts.html
https://teakdoor.com/farming-and-gard...e-farming.html (Does anybody do some farming ??)