HAND GUNS

**Mozzbie47** · 29-03-2012, 08:30 AM

What are the legal rights or wrongs for a Thai national with a permit to carry a hand gun in Thailand.

**Necron99** · 29-03-2012, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by Mozzbie47

What are the legal rights or wrongs for a Thai national with a permit to carry a hand gun in Thailand.

You're probabaly going to have to be more specific.
Do you mean literally carry? Or a permit to own?

**thehighlander959** · 29-03-2012, 09:35 AM

A guy in my village bought an old Colt 45 from a Policeman in Korat. He had a licence to own a gun as far as I knew. However he was in the local Police Sergeant Major,s restaurant when the Cops wife noticed he was carrying. Two minutes later the Police Sergeant M

**thehighlander959** · 29-03-2012, 09:36 AM

and another two Cops arrested him at gunpoint for carrying a weapon in public.

**FailSafe** · 29-03-2012, 09:38 AM

Ownership permits are no big deal (as long as you have the money to buy a licensed gun) but carry permits are very difficult to get- you'll need connections and a very good reason.

**Davis Knowlton** · 29-03-2012, 09:51 AM

Speaking PI, not LOS, but there are also tons of fake permits around. Be very careful where you obtain one. Flippers now have it all computerized (hard to believe, but true). My driver and I both got braced by the coppers a week or so ago. Cops took both our licenses, and permits for concealed carry, back to the local station and ran a computer check. All valid. They then checked the serial numbers of the guns against the permits. Again all good. They then counted rounds of ammunition (limit of 50 per weapon). Again all good. And off we went. Very polite and professional. With the new computerized system, folks with bogus permits are screwed.

**phunphin** · 29-03-2012, 10:24 AM

Generally only city officials or polititions and wealthy bussiness persons are legally allowed to carry (in their cars) hand guns.
you would have to be a cop or a crim to carry on your person.

My father inlaw has a permitt to carry , but only in the car.

**fryatuck** · 29-03-2012, 09:55 PM

Saw a Thai guy last month, walking down Khao San Road, had a gun in a holster around his waist. He wasn't in any sort of uniform. The gun looked real, but I am not an expert, didn't want to ask or wait to find out, so I hit Gullivers and had a few beers...

**Rural Surin** · 29-03-2012, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by FailSafe

Ownership permits are no big deal (as long as you have the money to buy a licensed gun) but carry permits are very difficult to get- you'll need connections and a very good reason.

Every average Thai citizen that I know who harbour a gun or two, couldn't be bothered to go through the motions of officialdom and registration as such...

You'll find that any permit laws are rarely enforced unless there is an incedent.

The everyday sort of individual is not a danger to society.
What is a threat are the emotionally-challenged, addled-brained monkeys that pass as law enforcers/police....

**Gerbil** · 29-03-2012, 10:50 PM

Generally, ownership permit allows you to transport the gun unloaded in a gun case/holdall in your car between your home and a shooting range (or other place where you have a valid reason to be with a weapon).

Carry permits, exist but are rarely granted unless you are a VIP. So rare that most cops here would shoot first before asking if you have one.

**shaggersback** · 30-03-2012, 12:40 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Been done to death but interesting.

I would like a shottie as ill be in the sticks next year and would like one for home security. The Gfs old man doesnt own a gun which surprised me as he was poo yai baan for four years and his wife is a money lender.

Im a bit worried the gf might blow me away one day as shes got quite the temper.
Any idea what a s/barrel shottie is worth ?

**Necron99** · 30-03-2012, 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by shaggersback

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Been done to death but interesting.

I would like a shottie as ill be in the sticks next year and would like one for home security. The Gfs old man doesnt own a gun which surprised me as he was poo yai baan for four years and his wife is a money lender.

Im a bit worried the gf might blow me away one day as shes got quite the temper.
Any idea what a s/barrel shottie is worth ?

Take the US price and triple or quadruple it and you won't be far wrong..

**DrAndy** · 30-03-2012, 08:26 AM

Chinese ones are cheap

**VocalNeal** · 30-03-2012, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by fryatuck

Saw a Thai guy last month, walking down Khao San Road, had a gun in a holster around his waist. He wasn't in any sort of uniform.

Policeman. Ever tried to spot a pliceman on Patpong or Soi 4.

Hint: Grey hair (George Peppard) and a gun.

**Submaniac** · 30-03-2012, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Chinese ones are cheap

Not in Thailand after taxes. It's like the cars, multiply it by 300% taxes.

**Davis Knowlton** · 30-03-2012, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Submaniac

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Chinese ones are cheap

Not in Thailand after taxes. It's like the cars, multiply it by 300% taxes.

Chinese handguns are cheaper in the Philippines. US - about 150/200% mark-up; Chinese - about 100% mark-up. Almost all of the Chinese handguns are either .38 revolvers, used by the zillions of guards, or .45 copies of the 1911. The .38's are pretty poor quality - the .45's a bit better. Both suck for the price you pay.

**Submaniac** · 30-03-2012, 10:54 AM

^^
The norinco .45's are actually one of the best .45's available; they used forged frames and are the good base for a custom racegun. Unfortunately all Norincos have been banned from importation into the United States.

**FailSafe** · 30-03-2012, 11:03 AM

The wife's Glock 19 was nearly 90K with all the paperwork and bullshit factored in- that's ~USD3K- it would have been $500 in the States.

And fuck cheap Chinese shit- if you have a gun and need to use it, you want to be absolutely sure it will go 'bang' when you pull the trigger- if you don't value your life, then buy a cheaply-made gun.

**Davis Knowlton** · 30-03-2012, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Submaniac

^^
The norinco .45's are actually one of the best .45's available; they used forged frames and are the good base for a custom racegun. Unfortunately all Norincos have been banned from importation into the United States.

The frame isn't bad - the rest is just ok. See loads of them here; in fact, my driver has one. Lots of cops and military get them because they are relatively cheap, and they can get them tricked out here for almost nothing other than cost of parts as armorers are a peso a dozen.

^Glocks are no longer for sale in gun shops in the PI. Private sales of new Glock 19's range from about $1200 (probably what he paid for it) up to $2,000 (supply and demand gouging).

**dirtydog** · 30-03-2012, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Chinese ones are cheap

Originally Posted by Submaniac

Not in Thailand after taxes. It's like the cars, multiply it by 300% taxes.

Tax rate is most likely the same for Chinese guns as American guns in Thailand, Glocks are bloody expensive everywhere, Colt etc are more expensive than the cheap Chinese junk guns that are for sale here regardless of which country you buy them in.

**Rural Surin** · 30-03-2012, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Chinese ones are cheap

Paki guns are cheaper....and amazingly enough, of a better quality.

**Davis Knowlton** · 30-03-2012, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Glocks are bloody expensive everywhere,

Hardly. Glock-19's, a very high quality handgun, average out at less than $500 in the US, with two to three magazines thrown in. If you shop around a bit, you can find them for around $450.

**nevets** · 30-03-2012, 01:02 PM

I have 4 dogs and a machete that will have to do .

**Submaniac** · 30-03-2012, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Glocks are bloody expensive everywhere,

Hardly. Glock-19's, a very high quality handgun, average out at less than $500 in the US, with two to three magazines thrown in. If you shop around a bit, you can find them for around $450.

Glocks are very reliable, indestructible handguns. The AK-47 of handguns; no matter what you do with it (throw it in mud) it will still fire. High quality? Yes. For what it is. Of course when I think of high quality I think of Sig Sauer, or a Kimber...but that's just me. And the Glocks are only mid priced guns in the states at around $500. The Kimbers are over a grand.

P.S. If anyone knows anyone in Thai government who can get me a license to manufacture firearms in Thailand, I will cut you a smokin' deal on a gun.

**FailSafe** · 30-03-2012, 02:00 PM

^

I've still got a Sig 226 in my dad's safe in the States- it never jammed with over 1K rounds through (even shitty range ammo- it would feed everything)- it's about twice what a decent Glock costs, so I would guess it to be over 150K in LOS (I don't remember seeing one in the shop).

My FIL has a Wilson Ultralight (in 9mm- it would ideally be in .45 of course, but it's really high-quailty)- I don't know what he paid, but it's a $3500 gun in the States- he hadn't even taken it out of the case for a couple of years until he showed it to me- I'm trying to convince him to gift it to the wife...

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