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    ^ no they are not thinkers, they just do as they are told by the boss. The trouble is that he forgets things ! Probably because he is so busy, too many projects on the go at once. he forgot to tell them about the bathroom stuff, and they are not going to do something on their own initiative, that's not the Thai way. They are just labourers. Did they go to a trade school ? no probably not but that's not unusual in Thailand, is it ? I've got no problem with the quality of what these guys are doing, just with the boss not supervising properly.

    We are out at the site every morning, and back again in the evening. That's how we picked up this error in the bathroom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    he forgot to tell them about the bathroom stuff, and they are not going to do something on their own initiative, that's not the Thai way. They are just labourers.
    Thais I know, are better with a phone than me. You and I would call the Boss, if there was any "dark spots".
    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    Did they go to a trade school ? no probably not but that's not unusual in Thailand, is it ?
    No

    Was actually my point
    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    I've got no problem with the quality of what these guys are doing
    Then everything will be OK; maybe a little late, but OK

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    Haven't been able to get on here for a few days, but nothing much happening on-site lately. The electrician has been here a few times, he reckons they are waiting for the ceiling guys to finish and clear out so that the painting and tiling can start. "Hmmm...they have finished the outbuilding so why not start there ?"
    anyway by yesterday afternoon all the interior ceiling was done, just a few more boards to put up outside under the side verandah roof.
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    It seems there was a lack of communication between sparky and ceiling crew, the wires for down lights in bedroom did not get pulled through so now he has to climb up in the roof space to access them. Lucky he is skinny because those manholes in the ceiling are not very wide. Are we allowed to call them manholes now?...access holes for people of non specific gender.
    The builder tried to talk the wife into using some special decorative wavy ceiling boards outside, at an extra cost of course, saying that otherwise there would be mould in a couple of years. Not if you use the special "green" boards for damp/humid areas matey!
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    A front view of the house, doing the last little fiddly bits of ceiling:
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    May not have been much progress inside the house but I have been busy in the back garden, turning dirt into soil. Any gardeners among you may have heard of "lasagna garden beds", for people who haven't it is where you lay down a layer of cardboard, then various organic matter in layers. The cardboard smothers any grass or weeds, then the grass clippings, leaves, manure, vegetable scraps etc decompose over a few months to form a good dark soil, a great improvement on the usual Issaan dirt.
    The wife scoffed at me, she would just throw chemical fertilizers at it, but she is starting to change her tune.
    start with the cardboard from the bathroom tiles:
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    Add some green matter:
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    Then some brown:
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    Wet each layer thoroughly, and keep repeating:
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    Leave it for a few months, for the wet season will be fine, and you should end up with something like this :
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    Dark, soft and full of organic matter, that's one I started a couple of months ago and still has a way to go, but already much better than the original dirt:
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    That's 3 small "lasagna" beds and one large one done, perhaps another 3 small or one long one to go. Not much I can do about the front garden yet until the builders have finished.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    The builder tried to talk the wife into using some special decorative wavy ceiling boards outside, at an extra cost of course, saying that otherwise there would be mould in a couple of years. Not if you use the special "green" boards for damp/humid areas matey!
    And why won't mould grow on "special green boards for damp and humid areas" ?

    Just curious...matey


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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    a great improvement on the usual Issaan dirt
    You mean pseudo cement don't you Mike? Isaan dirt, rock hard in the dry season then plasticine in the rainy season.

    I like your "lasagna garden beds." Tried to get SWMBO to do the same with our garden beds, but because it was my idea it wasn't any good. She being the expert gardener that she is and all....

    I've kept a stack of cardboard just in case a Thai comes along and tells her how good "lasagna garden beds" are.

    The house is looking good. Looks like the sparky will be finished this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    And why won't mould grow on "special green boards for damp and humid areas" ?

    Just curious...matey

    Never heard of these panels.
    I'm guessing they're treated or coated with zinc substances. [??]

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    Never heard of these panels.
    I'm guessing they're treated or coated with zinc substances. [??]
    I take it that they are 'wet room gypsum plates'.

    Not treated

    Not a bad choice for the purpose, but has to be treated like other materials, he could use.

    With paint containing fungicides, for outdoor use only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    A front view of the house, doing the last little fiddly bits of ceiling
    Hang in there mate. Fix as you go common but looking pretty good so far.
    Thanks for sharing.

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    As if progress wasn't slow enough before, now almost the entire builder's crew has gone done with COVID ! Including the people who would matter most at this stage...the tilers and painters. With the ceilings completed I was hoping for faster progress but that was not to be. They did manage to do most of the tiling in the storeroom/workshop, including this doorway:
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    "What, no edging strips for the tiles?" the wife asks...."no, the modern way is like this" the builder replies.
    Apart from looking rather poor with the sides of the tiles visible, those tiles are certain to get chipped and damaged sooner or later without an edging strip to protect them. So we told him we are old fashioned and want those strips, which meant telling the tiler not to do any more steps until the builder supplies them. He was one of the first to go sick so the strips have not arrived yet, not that it would have made any difference as the tiler went down with Covid 2 days later. He did manage to do the laundry floor, up to the steps, and made a start on the living area in the house.
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    I knew those tiles would raise a few eyebrows with the family as they are a matt finish, not the usual glossy slippery tiles everybody else uses. Sure enough, one of the sisters came for a look and tut-tutted at our choice. But considering she just has a bare concrete floor on her shack I really don't give a f*** what she thinks !
    You can also see the painter did make a start on cutting in for the top coat of paint.
    Anyhow that is how it looked on Saturday and nothing has changed by Wednesday ! The only work that has been done was a bit of a site cleanup by one of the labourers.
    The 180 day contract deadline is July 9th ....looking rather doubtful !

    Edit....I knew I had forgotten to mention something....each bedroom has 4 downlights and one main light, and I had seen the wiring for them before the ceiling went up. Somehow the wires for 2 of those down lights in the main bedroom, and one in bedroom 2, plus 2 in the kitchen, did not get pulled through when the ceiling boards went up. I don't know if that was the sparky's job to drill the holes or whoever, but now the electrician will have to climb up into the roof space to fix it up. It's a good thing we reminded the ceiling guys to put in the access panels!
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