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    Ok, I'm stupid...what do you mean by "rendering", is it putting the top coat of plaster/concrete on the walls?

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    ^ usually yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Ok, I'm stupid...what do you mean by "rendering", is it putting the top coat of plaster/concrete on the walls?
    rendering = plastering. Applying either a sand and cement mix over brick walls, or using a special pre-made mix for AAC blocks as we have.
    Such as this stuff:
    A "not so Grand Design" in Ubon Ratchathani-renderrmix-jpeg

    I think the americans call it "stucco" ?

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    ^I think stucco refers to a certain type of finish, from what I understand how it's done here in PH. You can choose not to paint over a stucco-finish wall. (from what I've seen in projects here)

    Rendering = plastering = "palitada" in Tagalog (for Topper)

    From what I've seen here in PH, after the wall has been made using CHB, they render it using a cement-sand mixture. Then if not skimping on money, they apply a skim coat before painting with primer. (If low budget, sometimes they skip the skim coat.) They apply 2 coats of primer then the top coat.

    @mike - I hear you re: choosing tiles & whatnot. I've been to a Wilcon Depot (large depot here) and there are so many tiles, paints, bathroom fixtures etc to choose from! I wasn't doing a house build then but the depot was near an office that I visited, so I made the detour. I've taken pics of the tiles & paints that I fancied. Lol.

    Thanks for the updates!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    Never again will I subject myself to that trauma.
    I'm hearing you Mike. Loud and clear. Compared with the rest of the fit-out, tile selection stands alone as an item that still causes my blood pressure to rise. Never again.
    At least 10 trips to Do Home, Home Pro, Global House and various tile stores in and around Surin, including a trip to Prassat.
    Then there was getting stock from other stores as Do Home Surin didn't have enough in stock for the tiles we selected. Luckily they were able to scrape together enough to fill our order.
    All in all very energy draining. Fortunately we had a master tiler. He and his wife are an excellent team, and made up for all the hassle in selecting the various tile combinations.
    We ended up with a great result; the best part of the build.

    I like your stove and range hood selection using your experience. Wish I had a similar level of knowledge. SWMBO took charge of ours, so I'm not sure what our range hood will be like once it starts getting used.
    We opted for an induction stove rather than gas. Still not sure whether it will prove to be a success as it hasn't been used yet, 8 months on....

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    Great updates!

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    Progress report for the last week or so :

    The people doing the decorative mouldings have been irregular visitors. As mentioned before they turned up a week ago while the regular crew was pouring the concrete apron around the house, took the next day off before returning for a bit more work and then disappearing again. 2 days ago they got about 2 thirds of their work done then told the wife they needed an advance of 10,000 baht to buy supplies. This is one of the "extras" not included in the builder's price. After sending them the money we have not seen them again, causing the wife a bit of worry. so she talked to the builder who said they are reliable, and are regular sub-contractors for him, don't fret...we will see.
    The ceilings are under way, all the hangers and framework for the house ceiling has been completed but we haven't seen them for a couple of days either. Still got the verandahs and outbuilding to do though.
    A "not so Grand Design" in Ubon Ratchathani-img_8069-jpg

    All the electrical wiring in the house is in place I think as we have not seen the sparky for a couple of days either.
    Do they have some secret method of knowing what wire leads where, or will it be trial and error when it comes to connecting circuit breakers and switches ?
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    But looking at that more closely I can see a couple of unused conduits so perhaps he has not finished yet?

    The tiles have been delivered and one of the crew told the wife tiling would start on Monday (yesterday) but no, nothing happening there. I guess they cannot start on the floor tiles until all the scaffolding is gone from inside, which means we are being delayed by missing workers. He has another job not far from our rental house so we see all the workers coming and going to that job ! There is a 180 day deadline for completion in the contract, and we are up to almost 4 months now. I think tiling and painting is going to take up a lot of the remaining 2 months or so so Khun Ae had better get his workers organised. Personally I am not that worried if it goes over schedule as we have a roof over our heads now, and I would rather have a good job done than a rushed one. The wife is not so forgiving though, and she had quite a "discussion" with the builder this afternoon when we were out at the site.
    "Why only 2 people painting the cladding and many people at other job?"
    "Look at all these chips in the walls " (where people have knocked scaffolding and ladders against the walls)
    The "bua people" have vanished
    "The drains are full of sand and rubbish" (because nobody put the lids over the inspection holes)
    Blah, blah, blah.....
    She was not a happy camper.
    I'm expecting a larger work crew tomorrow

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    Day 100/ 4 months later


    Well today was working day #100, 4 months on from our "first pole day". Still a fair bit of work to do but the wife is a bit more relaxed now. The "bua" crew didn't do a runner after getting that 10,000 baht advance , they were back at work today with a full crew. They even had a teenage daughter mixing up the mortar for a while but it must have been too much for her as I later found her propped up against the bathroom wall fast asleep.
    Just a couple more of the window mouldings to do, and the upper piece around the posts:
    A "not so Grand Design" in Ubon Ratchathani-img_8094-jpg

    The builder had one of his guys scoop out the sand and rubbish from the drains that the wife complained about, but still no cover over them! More heavy rain will just wash more dirt into them, why cannot people do a job properly in the first place ? Yes, I know, labour is cheap here.
    He had also doubled the number of people painting, nearly all the fascia and cladding is painted and most of the exterior walls have had at least their first coat of primer. Waiting for the bua guys to finish and move their scaffolding out of the way to prime the rest of back wall. Also just started a second coat of primer inside.

    Don't trust HomePro's website when it comes to checking stock in store ! Two days ago we went into Ubon to get some 18 inch Hatari orbital fans for the verandahs so before leaving I checked the stock on hand in HomePro and Thai Watsadu. HomePro claimed to have 4 in stock but when we got there they just had the one on display. The wife checked with the staff..."mai mee". Are you sure? No have.
    OK, Thai Watsadu is just down the road so we head there. Their website doesn't give a number for stock on hand, it just has a graphic ....yellow bar=limited stock, green bar=stock on hand. In this case it was green....but they only had one in stock plus one on display. Down to Global House where they just had one on display.
    Go back home and look up the websites again, and HomePro still claims to have 4 in stock, and thai Watsadu still green. So while on the computer I check Lazada, and find there is an official Hatari store and they are selling cheaper than retail. Ordered 3 and delivered just over 24 hours later !
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    I did suggest that we get some ordinary ceiling fans for inside the house but there was a firm NO from the wife. Apparently they are too dangerous because the blades might come off and chop her head off....or so she was told by one of her FaceBook "friends" who heard it from somebody else who read about it on the internet . Facebook has a lot to answer for !
    I told her that was a load of rubbish but it was still a NO. These orbital fans are OK according to her, they are safe because they have a guard around them
    She did rightly point out that we have more than enough ordinary floor fans, 7 of them including 2 freebies for house building purchases that we have not opened yet. So I guess she has a point there !

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    Good progress!

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    Coming along. Cheers.

    You will far better when its all behind you and you can then figure out how to landscape it.

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    I am wondering if it is worth continuing this thread, what with the current unreliability of TD and all the forecasts of it's imminent death.

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    Mike carry on. It's been interesting. If for example SeekingAss worried about TD carking it we'd not get to enjoy his travel, cooking and condo maintenance threads.

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    The guys doing the decorative mouldings finally finished and cleaned up their gear this morning... and wasted no time giving us the bill.
    Some costs for anybody interested : 125 meter of the strips around windows, doors etc at 160 baht/meter for materials and labour, and 200 baht per strip around the columns. Each of those strips is about one meter around, so an extra 40 baht for the extra labour involved.
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    The wife wanted to save a bit of money so she had told them not to do any of the outbuilding doors or windows. It looks a little bit odd to me having the windows on the house side of the verandah decorated but the ones opposite on the outbuilding are plain. but I guess I'll get used to it.
    Talking of windows, the window guy came out to measure up everything today. Don't know when they are scheduled to be in place. Presumably after painting ?
    Back to just 2 workers painting the cladding, which didn't make the wife happy again. At least they are doing a good job, and using a tarpaulin to avoid any paint splatters on the concrete path below.
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    Thanks for the updates, Mike. Nice to see that your house has a bit of "lipstick" already.

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    ^^ Mike. Who's wearing the skirt in this relationship? Aren't those mouldings missing going to give you a Herbert lom eye twitch?

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    ^ She insists on going 50/50 in all costs so I have to let her have some wins where it comes to saving money. She doesn't want to spend her life savings on the house, I don't want her too either. Some things I'll just add later as "maintenance and miscellaneous costs". So if it still worries me in a couple of years I'll say that wall needs repainting...and while we are at it, lets put the mouldings on.

    We got a phone call just after I posted that last update, a couple of the guys were starting on the kitchen counter and needed the stove for measurements and placement. I thought 4pm is a bit late for starting a job but out we went.
    Note the usual Thai PPE for welding...at least he is wearing sunnies:
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    Sink to go by the window, another section to be placed along the other wall for stove. Fridge, freezer and cupboards off to the left of screen. They didn't ask what height we wanted the counter, just made it standard Thai height. So it's a good thing I'm not 6ft tall.
    He has got a fair bit of welding to do :

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    I'm glad to see they used new rebar and not the rusty old offcuts from the foundations, that are still laying around the site 4 months later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    I am wondering if it is worth continuing this thread, what with the current unreliability of TD and all the forecasts of it's imminent death.
    Mike, thanks for the updates. please keep them coming. It's good to see the progress and the way you're handling "building in Thailand." Full credit to you and the wife mate. Nothing easy about building here. You're doing well.

    I recall when starting a post about building in Thailand on TD in September 2021: the strong advice was not to bother as it was on its last legs and about to cark it.
    Despite the difficulties with the TD web site, it was worth the effort as I received plenty of good advice right through the whole build. Much better than Thai Visa and several other forums that were recommended.

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    Day 104:

    When I went out to do some work in the garden this morning there was just a couple of guys working on the ceiling supports on the verandah, none of the builder's usual crew had turned up. But when we went back in the afternoon for a look we found progress :
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    The concrete counter had been poured, although the cutout for the sink was not in quite the right position. I had wanted it slightly further to the right, but I can live with this. It's not the first time the workers have ignored my location marks ...yes, sparky, I'm talking about you. It's only a few centimeters out, mai pen rai. The wife was worried it was going to be too high for her until I reminded her that there would be several centimeters of cement and tile to go down on the floor.
    Then we looked in the bathroom and found this:
    A "not so Grand Design" in Ubon Ratchathani-img_8111-jpg

    My first reaction was "are these right, did we buy these?" The wife assures me that we did but I'll be damned if I remember choosing these. But that afternoon was and still is a blur, something I have no wish to revisit for fear of triggering a case of PTSD so I'll believe her.
    My second reaction was "Hey, wait a minute. He has started tiling the walls and they haven't built the shower dividing wall yet ! Nor the bathroom counter!"
    So we question the foreman about this, he says that Khun Ae hasn't told them anything about a wall or counter. FFS ! So we look at our copy of the plans and there is definitely a dividing wall and counter there, on both the general plan and the bathroom details drawing.
    The wife is telling me "don't worry, he will do something else tomorrow" but I'm worrying that tomorrow morning the tiler will move on to the next section of wall, which is where the divider and counter are supposed to be. Nothing would surprise me after the way they cut out the bathroom window and electrical conduits after plastering the walls but surely they wouldn't tile the main wall then build the dividing wall? Would they? Am I getting paranoid ? Should I trust them more ?
    So we try to contact K.Ae but he doesn't answer, and he hasn't read the LINE message yet either. So I guess we will find out tomorrow ?
    On a more positive note, the tiling seems pretty good so far, with a nice neat cut around the pipes. And he is the first workman to clean up his workplace properly at the end of the day !

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    Am I getting paranoid ?
    Yes

    And with good reason.

    A bit late though.

    Sorry to say, but if you let some farmers build your house, you'll get what you pay for.

    Kind of fair

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    ^ true, IF they were farmers but the builder is a full time professional builder with full time staff. If anything the problem is he has so many jobs on at once he is not keeping on top of everything. He is too good for his own good, I know he has at least 4 projects on at the moment. He needs to knock back potential contracts and concentrate on supervising just 2 or 3 jobs at a time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    ^ true, IF they were farmers but the builder is a full time professional builder with full time staff.
    OK
    I shouldn't generalize and I'll take your word for it.

    I have however also had stuff build in Thailand and I'll bet you, that none of those workers, were skilled or educated in their trade.

    Not even sure that the Electrician had more than 'learning by doing' experience.

    They were former farmers. They all are up in Isaan.

    Still; good that you are around or you might get into a "discussion" with the wife, when you turned up.



    It'll turn out OK in the end

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    If anything the problem is he has so many jobs on at once he is not keeping on top of everything
    Hi Mike,
    One of the strategies we used to keep our build on track was to have a meeting on site every morning with the Chang (Team Leader / Supervisor) to go through the day's work plan.
    Plus we were on site all day checking. Our builder came around about once a month to check on things but otherwise it was Yuri and the Chang who made it happen between them.
    The meetings usually lasted no more than 5 minutes except when more discussion was required. We also reviewed the previous day to see if it was in line with the plan.
    Worked well for most of the build except when the Chang injured himself and his replacement was not up to taking on the role.
    As a result phone calls with the builder were daily until the Chang recovered and returned to work.
    The daily meetings and being on site saved a lot of grief. From my experience being on site is the key - a defacto project manager.

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    ^I agree. That's what "Ingeniero TV" and his wife did - have someone on-site everyday. Ingeniero TV is a Filipino engineer who's based in Dubai & he has a YT channel abt construction & stuff. They converted their 3-storey home in PH into a block of small apartments for rent. Since he was living & working in Dubai, he sent his wife (also Filipino) to PH to oversee the build. They had an engineer-builder but as per usual, builder had several projects and was not always on site. The wife's presence at the site saved them a lot of problems.

    @mike - if you or your wife could be present everyday, I think it would prevent snafus. I hope that the issue in the bathroom (tiles laid prior to dividing wall & countertop) has been resolved.

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    I think Katie summed it up.you really have to be there to see what's going on. Or have someone knowledgeable to keep a beedy on it . Before it gets out of control

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    Quote Originally Posted by katie23 View Post
    The wife's presence at the site saved them a lot of problems.
    Quote Originally Posted by katie23 View Post
    @mike - if you or your wife could be present everyday, I think it would prevent snafus.
    Quote Originally Posted by BLD View Post
    I think Katie summed it up.you really have to be there to see what's going on. Or have someone knowledgeable to keep a beedy on it . Before it gets out of control


    So we have consensus

    They aren't capable builders/craftsmen/ drawings readers/thinkers, who can be left alone.

    I'll get my coat.

    How could they be ?

    They usually get away with sub-standard craftmanship.

    How did they do the wet room/water proofing in your bathroom, Mike ?

    (they didn't)

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