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    Love a good building thread. Great ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    Love a good building thread. Great ideas.
    Feel free to post up yours tex..if you have the time

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    Day 2 of the walls and things slowed down a bit, not quite as many workers on site as yesterday which is probably a good thing, they were almost tripping over each other yesterday...to say nothing of all the power leads everywhere. By lunchtime when I left they were up to window lintel height for most windows, and when I came back in the evening the lintels had been formed and poured:
    A "not so Grand Design" in Ubon Ratchathani-img_7856-jpg

    The kitchen's back door was in the right place !
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    And I am glad to see K. Ae is not a believer in the Thai urban myth that you cannot use AAC blocks in a bathroom:
    A "not so Grand Design" in Ubon Ratchathani-img_7850-jpg


    After toolsdown this evening, with another load of blocks just delivered:

    A "not so Grand Design" in Ubon Ratchathani-img_7861-jpg


    I cannot imagine how long it would have taken to get this far if the wife had listened to those people telling her to use red bricks not AAC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    the Thai urban myth that you cannot use AAC blocks in a bathroom:
    OK ?

    And the reason for that being ?

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    ^ A lot of people claim that AAC cannot be used in a bathroom because of the humidity and water affects them. "You have to use red bricks in the bathroom".

    It's a myth that pops up regularly on Thai builds. And I always ask, if you cannot use AAC in a bathroom where they are covered in tiles and just subject to a gentle shower for a few minutes, how could they be OK to use on an exterior wall and be subjected to torrential rain for hours.
    Hebel (the inventors of AAC) and Qcon here in Thailand, make bathroom and kitchen counters so they think AAC is OK in those rooms. But some Thai builders are just stuck in their ways...

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    Mike, coming along. Re AAC, i note you have full wall lintels so i assume you aren't adding inter course ties along a course that run every 2 courses like i did on my last build?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    A lot of people claim that AAC cannot be used in a bathroom because of the humidity and water affects them.
    Yes, kind of knew the answer.

    And ....myth

    You have to treat (seal)the surface correctly and that's it


    (44 years experience in this ..crap )

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    44 years experience in this ..crap
    no a damp proof or membrane in sight

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    no a damp proof or membrane in sight
    Walls not up yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    Mike, coming along. Re AAC, i note you have full wall lintels so i assume you aren't adding inter course ties along a course that run every 2 courses like i did on my last build?
    Sorry, not quite sure what you mean...are you asking if we have tied every second course into the posts? If that is what you mean, then yes, rebar in the posts and buried in the top of every second row of blocks.


    Another week later and the walls are still going up. Most are finished up to roof beam height, a few still have to have the lintels poured over the top of door frames and windows before continuing upwards.
    Front doorway, day 64:
    A "not so Grand Design" in Ubon Ratchathani-img_7889-jpg

    From verandah door, looking down the center of house, also day 64 :
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    Somehow they did forget to put a window in the bathroom !
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    For a small bathroom window that's easily fixed with AAC, just cut it out. One trouble with AAC is that it can go up so fast that when the foreman is busy setting up stringlines or checking elsewhere somebody can make a mistake and then go way past it before the foreman comes around again and notices. Most of the crew are pretty good but there is one young guy who seems a bit slap-happy with his work. His breath also smells of booze after lunch ! when we go around in the afternoon we sometimes bring the guys a bottle of lao khao, this guy isn't afraid to ask for some booze. The other day he reckoned the guys deserved a bottle because they had been lifting blocks and mortar up onto the scaffolding all day. Many years ago the wife, with her boyfriend of the time (aka father of The Stepdaughter) swapped the Issaan ricefields for the bright lights and building sites of Bangkok as many other khon Issaan did. So she told this guy that when she was his age she was carrying buckets of concrete up 3 floors to build shophouses. He had it easy with lightweight AAC blocks !
    The same view down the center of the house today, Day 67:
    A "not so Grand Design" in Ubon Ratchathani-img_7910-jpg

    Note the red mark on the right. Just last night i was telling the wife we have to start thinking about where we want power points. Her first response was that the builders know where to put them ....no tirac, they will have no idea where the fridge is going, or the TV, or my computer, etc etc. 2nd answer was that we have plenty of time to worry about that. Then this morning the builder rings her and asks us to go out and mark out the location for power points !
    Some of you will know that Thais are happy with one powerpoint and endless powerboards piggybacking across the room...no dear, not here ! It was a bit of a frustrating morning trying to get the wife to seriously think and plan ahead.
    first up was explaining that nowadays just having wires stapled to the wall is not the way to go, they are buried in the wall which is why we have to decide on locations.
    "Why so many power points in kitchen?" ..."One for fridge, one for microwave, one for freezer, another for toaster/blender/whatever, Rangehood"...the last: "we need electric for that?"
    "Why you want power outside on verandah?" ..."In case you might want to charge your phone while sitting out there dear" ...."Ah, yes" (something any Thai can relate to !)
    And so on, and so on.....eventually we had the walls marked up, but then a change of mind this afternoon when she had time to think about it. So we go out to the site around 4pm to update the guy with more locations only to find the place empty. Either they had an early knock-off or got dragged to another job.
    An empty job site :
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    There is less than a day's work to do finishing the roof, I wish they would get that done instead of leaving the fascia boards etc laying around on the ground, or perched on the verandah roof!
    I was a little bit peeved with the builder yesterday, when we first went through the design one of the things i verbally specified was screens on all windows, ok no problem. Then yesterday I found out they are going to be an extra cost, no mention of them in the contract and the design specs don't mention screens one way or the other. A quick look at Thai Watsadu website and it seems they will be a few hundred baht extra per window
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    ^ better too many sockets than too few ...

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    @mikenot - shouldn't the sockets be included in the electrical plans for the house? Or you didn't need to submit electrical plans? Just curious...

    The build is coming along nicely.

    Did they have to put vertical rebars as support for the AAC? What's the composition of mortar used 1 is it the same as when using CHB (concrete hollow block)?

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    ^ Katie ... there was a plan for the lighting circuit but not power points, specs did say conduit to be used, but nothing else.
    no vertical rebar used, just tied into the vertical concrete columns and beams around the windows/doors. There is a special mortar to use with AAC, it's more like a glue than the ordinary sand/cement mix for normal bricks and blocks.
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    The sales blurb:
    Ready-made mortar developed especially for lightweight block construction work. Provides high adhesion strength, is sticky and smooth, easy to build, and works quickly. Makes the constructed wall beautiful, strong, and durable.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    better too many sockets than too few ...
    Amen to that brother. Both inside and outside.
    I would put an outlet on all 4 outside walls. Sure to be used for more than just charging phones. A variety of electric gardening tools and of course water pump/s.

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    @mikenot - thnx for the info. I looked at the AAC blocks again & noticed that they don't have holes in the middle part where the rebar would fit. I've seen AAC blocks being put up in a YT vid some time ago - have forgotten abt it.

    Thnx for sharing info abt the adhesive too. Learned something new.

    The walls would still need plastering, right? How thick would the plastering be - same as for CHB or thinner? And would it need a skim coat after plastering?

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    Render (plaster) should be about 12mm Katie. Then painted with a primer followed by paint.

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    ^ah. So it doesn't need a skim coat, unlike a CHB wall. Saves on time & labor for that stage. (Here in PH, AAC blocks are more than 10x pricier than CHB.) And yes, primer then paint.

    I "follow" some vloggers here in PH who are contractors. They show the progress of the builds/ renovations that they do.

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    Looking good, Mike.

    We love the veranda on the villa, glad to see you planning yours.

    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    I would put an outlet on all 4 outside walls. Sure to be used for more than just charging phones. A variety of electric gardening tools and of course water pump/s.
    Yup, we got extra ones fitted on all sides when renovating the villa. We've already put in fish ponds and the pumps go to the extra sockets.

    Fan and electric moo kratha set etc on occasion.



    Quote Originally Posted by BLD View Post
    Feel free to post up yours tex..if you have the time
    The master did a lot of his house, but the pics have done a lulu.

    Issan house complete, shed scheduled

    He's done alright, has Teksy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Amen to that brother. Both inside and outside.
    I would put an outlet on all 4 outside walls. Sure to be used for more than just charging phones. A variety of electric gardening tools and of course water pump/s.
    There are sockets just inside the doors at both ends of the workshop, and we will have an external/weatherproof socket on a carport column, and another center of the front verandah. They will be run in conduit down the pillar so no need to cut or chase out anything for those.
    We will probably have a water tank and pump at the left rear corner, so will also run conduit outside, down from soffits for that....out of sight and mind there for 99% of time so not too worried about aesthetics for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    are you asking if we have tied every second course into the posts? If that is what you mean, then yes, rebar in the posts and buried in the top of every second row of blocks.
    yes, i've seen a few that don't

    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    ust last night i was telling the wife we have to start thinking about where we want power points. Her first response was that the builders know where to put them .
    always put more in than you think you need

    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    Somehow they did forget to put a window in the bathroom !

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    Well, the guy doing the electrical rough-in has been AWOL for the last couple of days so nothing more has been done in that department. The rendering crew started work on Monday, and promptly started rendering over a wall where he was supposed to be cutting out a channel for the electrical conduit. Then another wall where he had done the conduit but not yet done the recess for the socket box...don't worry they tell the wife, he will cut it out later. Every building video I've seen on Youtube has had the electrical boxes installed first before the plastering starts, this will be an exception it seems.
    I mentioned a missing bathroom window earlier ....they have plastered over that too. We have been reminding the wall crew about it and they keep saying, we will cut it out soon.
    Now the plasterers are saying don't worry about that either, easy to come back and do later. It may be easy, but it's a waste of time and materials. Half a dozen AAC blocks, mortar, the render, the labour wasted...all coming out of the builder's profit margin not our pocket so I suppose I shouldn't worry.
    First wall :

    A "not so Grand Design" in Ubon Ratchathani-img_7911-jpg

    And today:
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    Looking down the central spine of the house, from the verandah door towards the "Buddha Zone"
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    We had our first sundowner on the verandah this evening :
    A "not so Grand Design" in Ubon Ratchathani-img_7954-jpg

    A nice comfortable rocking chair, or maybe a hammock, would have been better than a couple of AAC blocks to sit on though ! The Leo still tasted pretty good.

    K. Ae, the builder, wants to go into town with us soon to choose tiles so the wife and I were looking at tiles on the Thai Watsadu website last night until my head started spinning...too many choices !

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    wonderful.. loving this thread and your home is great.. gonna be so enjoyable for you sitting in a comfy chair watching those sunsets soon.

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    As far as tiles go, please, please, please be strong and resist the Thai idea of putting gloss tiles in wet areas.
    I renovated a guesthouse a few years ago and I went against the wishes of both the builder and the wife and put matt, rough surface tiles in the bathrooms.
    As soon as a Thai used the shower they changed their minds about the tiles as the found out they "not slippy".

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    A nice comfortable rocking chair, or maybe a hammock
    We went for those teardrop hanging chairs for the verandah. Lubbly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmond View Post
    We went for those teardrop hanging chairs for the verandah.
    Exactly what I would predict.

    Honestly, it's uncanny sometimes.

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