Thread: The end of the EU?

I'm terribly sorry but I don't understand gibberish.

What is an " agri muppet " ?

I'll try again.
The common agricultural Policy uses 47% of the total EU budget. The major beneficiaries of the largesse, are and always have been, France and Germany,

If the UK, a major contributor to EU funds, leaves, or is forced out of the EU, How will the French and the Germans replace the loss of significant funding?

If you still don't get it, you are probably on the wrong thread.

Err, the British contribution to the EU budget as a whole is around £12 billions. This in the context of government spend is mere chickenfeed and scarcely 10% of the annual NHS costs. Just a bit of perspective for you, something you seem to lack.

In terms of CAP budgets Germany is actually a net contributor and France will shortly be joining them.

Agricultural policy everywhere in the world is dictated by intervention of some sort or other. The EU subsidy has decreased over the recent years but will continue indefinitely for obvious reasons and certainly until someone invents a method of land management alternative to farmers.

I rather think you are the one whose time might be better spent elsewhere.

near 300,000 French prefer to live and work in Britain

According to France-Diplomatie 500.000 British people are living in France

France-Diplomatie

Indeed. Most are retired Francophiles subsisting off their accumulated wealth created in Britain. The French immigrants in the UK are there following the economic imperative.

Although I have heard anecdotal evidence that the cost of living in France with its high taxation is having a chastening effect and the £'s fall from its dizzy heights 4 years ago hasn't helped.

Originally Posted by thegent

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

What does England or Little Britain have to offer ? (besides hooligans)

Quite a lot and our industrial sector exceeds that of France, and is on par with the US as a proportion of GDP.

60% of our manufacturing output is exported to the EU so I suppose we seem to have rather more to offer than you may have imagined.

But then, being a Kraut you probably prefer propaganda to facts. We quite understand and recognise another bout of therapy might be in order.

Down Boy, down boy, sit, sit. Wagel your tail and sit. An english Pitbull without teeth looks preety stupid.
Krauts and Frogs...is that all you have to offer ?
Let me repeat what Sarkozy said to Cameron:
"You have lost a good opportunity to shut up. We are sick of you criticising us and telling us what to do. You say you hate the euro and now you want to interfere in our meetings."

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Let me repeat what Sarkozy said to Cameron:
"You have lost a good opportunity to shut up. We are sick of you criticising us and telling us what to do. You say you hate the euro and now you want to interfere in our meetings."

Let me repeat what Cameron said to Sarkozy: "Fuck off, you garlic-munching midget; and take Frau Fatarse with you".

Originally Posted by thegent

around £12 billions

UK contribution to EU budget in 2010 EU 22.6 Billion.
The EU budget for 2010 is set at EU 126.5 Billion (from member state contributions)
The EU will spend a further EU 15 Billion from VAT and customs receipts. Total EU spending 141.5 billion.
The infamous UK rebate to offset the small size of our agricultural sector, was EU 4 billion in 2010. The nice Mr Blair agreed in 2005 that we would reduce this rebate by EU 1 billion per year from 2007 to 2013.

Originally Posted by thegent

In terms of CAP budgets Germany is actually a net contributor and France will shortly be joining them.

This is utter tosh. All countries contribute to the EU budget on the basis of GNI. The only difference as far as CAP is concerned is how the UK rebate is paid, (Germany actually pays a lesser share of this along with the Netherlands and a few others). The CAP budget is fixed as a pecentage of EU income as a whole.

Originally Posted by thegent

The EU subsidy has decreased over the recent years

Correct. In the 80's it was consuming 70% of the budget. It was reduced to 40% and now on the way up again at 47%

Youy can access all this information and more on the EU website.

If you wish to debate the issue please find a credible source for any facts or figures you quote. Otherwise wipe you chin and go away.

The only difference as far as CAP is concerned is how the UK rebate is paid

Also worth mentioning that the "rebate" comes with conditions attached, and much of it has to be spent on pointless EU bric-a-brac and jollies.

Clearly, you have a problem with comprehension, Chas. We all know what an idiot Harrybarrycod is so we'll just ignore him.

The figure you have quoted is the gross contribution which I suspect you must have known. Our net contribution was actually around the £9 billion mark and not the slightly inflated figure I gave earlier.

I note you have avoided my main point which was the debunking of your childish notion the British contribution would represent a challenge to Germany in making up any shortfall in the EU budget should Britain leave. Presumably you have nothing to add?

As I said, in terms of government spend the EU dimension is chickenfeed or, if you prefer, peanuts.

Originally Posted by thegent

Clearly, you have a problem with comprehension, Chas. We all know what an idiot Harrybarrycod is so we'll just ignore him.

The figure you have quoted is the gross contribution which I suspect you must have known. Our net contribution was actually around the £9 billion mark and not the slightly inflated figure I gave earlier.

I note you have avoided my main point which was the debunking of your childish notion the British contribution would represent a challenge to Germany in making up any shortfall in the EU budget should Britain leave. Presumably you have nothing to add?

As I said, in terms of government spend the EU dimension is chickenfeed or, if you prefer, peanuts.

Of course it isn't when you look at Britain's debt and realise what must take priority.

More to the point Merkozy was (were) trying to impose a financial transaction tax which would primarily have bled yet more money from the British economy.

So screw them. And you, for that matter.

And where do you get the 9 Billion figure from?

Originally Posted by thegent

Our net contribution was actually around the £9 billion

You still haven't found a credible source for you figures, which i note, have changed.
The correct figure, from the EU website is 22.6 billion, which has to be paid in full, before any rebate is paid, annually in arrears. Do you know what the interest is on 4 billion euros? As Blair agreed it will dimish by 1 billion per year over the next four tears.

Originally Posted by thegent

the British contribution would represent a challenge to Germany in making up any shortfall in the EU budget should Britain leave.

Indeed it would. Every time Sarkozy or Merkel dream up a new layer of legislation it costs every member nation. It has least effect of Germany and France because in most cases they are forcing their existing legislation on others.

It costs the member states 600bn every year in regulation and compliance costs. Working time directive, human rights legislation, maternity leave, all to keep them happy. The result of this expenditure produces just 120 bn in increased income across all member states.

The true cost of membership for the UK, which is not shown in EU statistics is nearer EU 60 billion per year.
It might be pocket change to you, but i think the Germans would feel the pinch.
If it was no problem, why did they whinge so much and refuse to pay their full share of a paltry 4 billion UK rebate?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

trying to impose a financial transaction tax which would primarily have bled yet more money from the British economy.

They still intend to do it without UK at the table, they believe they can pass it by QMV.
They will impose this tax on all EU member states, then they plan to invite the rest of the world to join in their plans afterwards, so we can all take one up the shitter together.

I suspect the US, China and a few others will tell the EU to bend over and brace themselves.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

trying to impose a financial transaction tax which would primarily have bled yet more money from the British economy.

They still intend to do it without UK at the table, they believe they can pass it by QMV.
They will impose this tax on all EU member states, then they plan to invite the rest of the world to join in their plans afterwards, so we can all take one up the shitter together.

I suspect the US, China and a few others will tell the EU to bend over and brace themselves.

So will Britain.

"Does father Christmas visit countries in the eurozone that are naughty?"

All you little englanders should watch this.

RT is a great show, better than saturday night live. I think the guy got rejected by Faux news because he was too PC. hahahahahahahah

Originally Posted by chassamui

RT is a great show, better than saturday night live. I think the guy got rejected by Faux news because he was too PC. hahahahahahahah

The main point that the UK is bankrupt is true enough. Cameron just removed the safety net.

I'm grateful to our former sponsors. We need to get out of the EU comfort zone and do what we used to be good at. Pillaging the third world.

If we burn trident and the EU we would be 100bn a year better off. Thats GBP because the Euro is dead in the water.

I don't believe that Cameron new what he was doing for one minute, but he will get all the credit for it.

^^ Agree that the UK is in big trouble financially but then so many other countries in the EU are in the same or even worse position.

Why prolong the agony for the union, it's a sinking ship, there are no more options left on the table. Trying to support the euro and some irresponsible banks is long past, simply pouring more and more money at a lost cause in order not to admit failure, quite frankly is typical of eurocrats.

French and German banking systems have a good deal to lose over eu issues i believe. Trying to save these corporations at the expense of ordinary people is simply madness but then we all understand who own the governments of the day.

Even financial analysts like Max Keiser talk alot about the folly of countries and ministers during the global crisis but there simply is no answer. If he indeed had one then he would be worth billions. He isn't.

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

Why prolong the agony for the union, it's a sinking ship, there are no more options left on the table. Trying to support the euro and some irresponsible banks is long past, simply pouring more and more money at a lost cause in order not to admit failure, quite frankly is typical of eurocrats.

But strangely all the experts, the US and "the market" call for it, the eurocrats only follow that call. Of course while at the same time demanding fiscal responsibility and debt reduction.

By that I don't want to defend the eurocrats! I would like their status reduced rather today than tomorrow.

^ The problem i see is that these self appointed experts have no common denominator. If they were all in agreement on how to tackle the financial meltdown then regular crisis meetings wouldn't exist. Have they been in denial during the past 4 years hoping the problem would go away? It would seem so.

People are working in an environment where making money is simply more important than society and they wish to keep that dream alive for as long as possible even if it is to the detriment of the common people.

Asking people to work longer, pay more and get less to ensure that large corporations dont suffer, well one doesn't have to be a mental giant to work out who is and who isn't important to governments of the day.

Additional austerity measures in order to pump more cash into the eurozone and union when it appears to be dead in the water is quite frankly irresponsible of governments. They need to address the problems of society not merely keep corporations afloat.

Cameron was right to be suspicious over the issues raised at the latest euro summit as their primary task is to prevent the collapse of the eurozone, something that he cannot expect the British people or treasury to support.

His buddy Clegg disagrees

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

Cameron was right to be suspicious over the issues raised at the latest euro summit as their primary task is to prevent the collapse of the eurozone, something that he cannot expect the British people or treasury to support.

Well actually it is a call for fiscal responsibility enforced on those countries who did not do it on their own so far. Not a bad thing. However proably too little too late to save some of the Euro-Countries.

Cameron objected as far as I understand against two things. One is to give up any sovereign budget rights (in case the stability requirements are not met, which GB probably cannot with the present debt level).

And secondly about that tax on money and stock transfers. That I believe would be a good thing, but only if introduced worldwide. As long as the US and Asia don't go along, the EU cannot do it on its own without losing business. Which would hit London the hardest. I do understand Cameron on that point as the London banking system is the last major industry left in GB.

BTW, slightly off topic, environmental experts have found out that London banks contribute to the GDP producing less CO2 than german steel manufacturers for the same share of GDP. So they are more environmentally friendly.