Thread: US set to veto Palestian statehood

What a fucking joke this is. The British representative on Sky could not stop using the phrase "we want negotiation", as did Obama, when every fucker on the planet knows the yids have been using this as a delaying tactic for decades and basically spat in the fact of anyone who tells them to take it seriously.

Here's my prediction of how the vote will go.

Abbas "We would like a Palestinian state"
Obama "What shall I say boss?"
Netanyahu "Tell them no"
Obama "Yes boss, anything you say boss"

Again: Politicians are a bunch of self serving wankers.

Added: And America is Israel's BITCH.

Which doesn't mean my preferred solution isn't to nuke Jerusalem and then let the fuckers fight over it.

Dont you think the interviewer can hear you screaming at him on the television. You need a bigger TV they are better at hearing you.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Which doesn't mean my preferred solution isn't to nuke Jerusalem and then let the fuckers fight over it.

I'm currently living in Tel Aviv so I have to disagree with that idea.

Originally Posted by tuktukdriver

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Which doesn't mean my preferred solution isn't to nuke Jerusalem and then let the fuckers fight over it.

I'm currently living in Tel Aviv so I have to disagree with that idea.

I have no objection to them giving adequate notice.

Just that afterwards, when the "negotiations" are taking place it will be "YOU have Jerusalem", "No, YOU have Jerusalem", etc.

Historic speech from Abbas, who waved around the letter asking for statehood.

Compare that with Nutteryahoo, who took all of a few minutes to mention 9/11, the President of Iran. He then basically completely glossed over all of the fucking settlements, blockades, etc., that they've imposed over the years, and are still occupying.

It's all about militant islam.

Nice fudge, fuckhead.

So let's just keep winding the cunts up and then squealing like pigs every time you've provoked them into action.

No change while this arsehole is in charge of Israel.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Historic speech from Abbas, who waved around the letter asking for statehood.

Compare that with Nutteryahoo, who took all of a few minutes to mention 9/11, the President of Iran. He then basically completely glossed over all of the fucking settlements, blockades, etc., that they've imposed over the years, and are still occupying.

It's all about militant islam.

Nice fudge, fuckhead.

So let's just keep winding the cunts up and then squealing like pigs every time you've provoked them into action.

No change while this arsehole is in charge of Israel.

I listened to his speech on Al-Jazeera and he brought up some good points. The whole region is about to come unglued. We will just have to sit back and watch the show

Originally Posted by Carrabow

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Historic speech from Abbas, who waved around the letter asking for statehood.

Compare that with Nutteryahoo, who took all of a few minutes to mention 9/11, the President of Iran. He then basically completely glossed over all of the fucking settlements, blockades, etc., that they've imposed over the years, and are still occupying.

It's all about militant islam.

Nice fudge, fuckhead.

So let's just keep winding the cunts up and then squealing like pigs every time you've provoked them into action. (Which of course they have needed to do since Bush was fucking dumb enough to hand Iraq to the Guardian council).

No change while this arsehole is in charge of Israel.

I listened to his speech on Al-Jazeera and he brought up some good points. The whole region is about to come unglued. We will just have to sit back and watch the show

I wouldn't go that far. If Palestine could get sorted out, the rest of the Arab world could start focusing on emasculating the Persian wankers. (Which of course they have needed to do since Bush was fucking dumb enough to hand Iraq to the Guardian council).

Originally Posted by socal

Originally Posted by sabang

We already know what the USofIsrael will do. No political figure in the US has the balls to stand up to AIPAC and it's allies, period. Of course, as with every other unrepresentative political system, the discourse you hear on the streets and in private conversations is quite different.

The real question is what will the rest of the world do? Naturally the US is being Israel's good 'road mamma' as usual, and frantically lobbying away (along with their Hebrew bosses) behind the scenes to oppose the resolution.

A vast majority of the worlds population will vote in favor of the resolution however, further isolating the USofIsrael as an obstructionist and counterproductive force in the World community. What a cheap way to kiss hegemony goodbye, along with any remaining shred of moral leadership.

do you actually think the Pallies will be satisfied with their own state ?

They wont be.

Do you think the Israelis are satisfied with their own state ?

What exactly are the Israelis borders ?

As debate continues over whether the Palestinians should ask for a UN resolution recognising Palestine as an independent state, a new global poll for BBC World Service reveals that, in all 19 countries surveyed, more citizens would prefer to see their government vote to support the resolution than vote against it – although only by a modest margin in many countries.



Public Narrowly Backs UN Recognition of Palestine: Global Poll

Obuma has spent the last couple of weeks lobbying for Israel- or rather, the Right wing Netanyahu government. Yet more Americans support Palestinian statehood than oppose it. Meanwhile the GOP seems to be on the verge of declaring the US an Israeli colony.

US public attitudes to the Israeli occupation of Palestine are complex, but it seems to me that this career politician Obama (who stands for absolutely nothing except getting elected) has damaged his re-election prospects, as well as becoming an object of derision in the international community. Plenty of Jewish Americans would side with him too, if the US recognised Palestine- and the Aipac crew and Religious loonies would further marginalise themselves from the moderate centre, in their predictable apoplexy. Anyway, who cares about Obama, and when it comes to the longstanding occupation of Palestine, who cares about the US any more.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Carrabow

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Historic speech from Abbas, who waved around the letter asking for statehood.

Compare that with Nutteryahoo, who took all of a few minutes to mention 9/11, the President of Iran. He then basically completely glossed over all of the fucking settlements, blockades, etc., that they've imposed over the years, and are still occupying.

It's all about militant islam.

Nice fudge, fuckhead.

So let's just keep winding the cunts up and then squealing like pigs every time you've provoked them into action. (Which of course they have needed to do since Bush was fucking dumb enough to hand Iraq to the Guardian council).

No change while this arsehole is in charge of Israel.

I listened to his speech on Al-Jazeera and he brought up some good points. The whole region is about to come unglued. We will just have to sit back and watch the show

I wouldn't go that far. If Palestine could get sorted out, the rest of the Arab world could start focusing on emasculating the Persian wankers. (Which of course they have needed to do since Bush was fucking dumb enough to hand Iraq to the Guardian council).

60 years later? No way...both act like a bunch of spoiled brats.

Originally Posted by Carrabow

The whole region is about to come unglued.

You're probably quite right and lets face facts it's not only well overdue it was (in hindsight) just a matter or time.

Originally Posted by Carrabow

We will just have to sit back and watch the show

Could improve that show considerably but again with hindsight!

i'll be depressed if they are refused state-hood.
it's got to be a step in the right direction for the palestinians.
still find it hard to believe that obama said what he said.


maybe he thinks god won't bless america if he doesn't toe the israeli line.

When it comes down to it, and no matter what the 'good intentions' of individuals such as Carter and Obuma may debatably have been, the sum total of US efforts (I use the term loosely) to broker a peace deal has been to run interference on behalf of the Israeli right. To tell the Palestinians to keep treading water while the Israeli's systematically steal their land. Enough is enough- get rid of them, and put the UN in charge. They're pretty useless too tbh, but nothing could be less effective than what the US has achieved- unless, of course, you are a settler.

How exactly Obuma can continue to occupy the baby chair of Potus, having been bitch slapped by the Netanyahu administration, then culminating in that cringing speech to the UN- basically painting the US as a Zionist colony, not a superpower- I'll leave between him and his magic mirror.

True, but who will now become the "facilitators?

Does the world deman the UN to regain some stature and allow the UN General Assembly to have a "free" vote, with the proviso of the vote would override the, so called UN Security Councils, veto.

Originally Posted by OhOh

but who will now become the "facilitators

In a moral and leadership vacuum, only the UN comes to mind. Really, people should increasingly start bypassing their pathetic governments and make themselves heard collectively. The myth that modern democratic governments actually represent their citizens interests and aspirations is dead- they exist only to keep them compliant, thats all. It's one thing to court their votes, but quite another thing to actually report to the people that appointed you.

I would actually like to see the Arab/ Islam world, Chinese sphere of influence (fat chance unfortunately) and non-aligned nations taking more of a proactive lead in sorting out this blatant insult to human morality and decency. In the West, we have collectively been proven to be nothing but whores.

Originally Posted by The Bold Rodney

Originally Posted by Carrabow

The whole region is about to come unglued.

You're probably quite right and lets face facts it's not only well overdue it was (in hindsight) just a matter or time.

Originally Posted by Carrabow

We will just have to sit back and watch the show

Could improve that show considerably but again with hindsight!

We have not seen anything yet, it will get a lot worse. Iran will be the power broker and pulling all the strings.

The U.S. is getting dogged again by their jewish lobby.




Clinton: Israeli settlement move counter-productive

Clinton: Israeli settlement move counter-productive | Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Israel's decision to build 1,100 settlement homes on West Bank land is counter-productive to reviving peace talks with the Palestinians, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Tuesday.
The decision appears to make it even less likely that the two sides will answer a call on Friday by the European Union, Russia, the United Nations and the United States, collectively know as the Quartet, to resume peace talks within a month.
"We believe that this morning's announcement by the government of Israel approving the construction of (1,100) housing units in East Jerusalem is counter-productive to our efforts to resume direct negotiations between the parties," Clinton told reporters at a news conference.
"As you know, we have long urged both sides to avoid any kind of action which could undermine trust, including, and perhaps most particularly, in Jerusalem, any action that could be viewed as provocative by either side," she added.

^ Israel is constantly using the 'recognition issue' as a reason that peace talks can't continue (meanwhile constantly building more settlements on illegally occupied land). Palestine says it will recognise Israel when it gets it's land back, or rather some of it, and becomes a state. It cannot recognise Israel anyway- only a state can diplomatically recognise another state. So that may be one stumbling block sorted out by Palestinian statehood, or more to the point it will remove a cynical Israeli ploy.

It's becoming obvious that someone left the door to the Teakdoor Lunatic Asylum open again.

I have been given many reasons to decry the lack of true Representation of the people in modern day democracies, a blatant example of which is the BBC Poll above, #61. The government owned BBC however is also guilty of a blatantly biased and misleading Headline in it's Poll- although at least they published the results, that is something.

"Public Narrowly Backs UN Recognition of Palestine"?? Kiss my farang arse.

In all countries surveyed, the public either safely or overwhelmingly supports Palestinian statehood. The Headline is a barefaced lie. The USA is obviously no bellwether in this regard, it supports the Israeli occupation of Palestine more than any other country besides, questionably, Israel itself. Yet even there a clear majority of 45% of citizens support Palestinian statehood compared to the 36% that do not- that means a full 25% more people support a Palestinian state. If a US president were voted in on that sort of majority it would be considered a landslide.

It begs the question- are we past the point of no return? are our supposedly democratic systems now ineffably about suppressing the views of the people, not representing them? If so, I say take a leaf from the "Arab Spring" book, and sweep them away.

I would love to see this Poll conducted in Israel too. The results might surprise many- Israel being yet another nominal 'democracy' where the views of the people are systematically swept under the carpet by it's government and state sector.

Originally Posted by OhOh

When Obama promise, one year ago - HE alone set the clock ticking, to obtain a Palestinian state he stepped up to the plate

Yes, I vaguely remember his speech, unfortunately when he "stepped up to the plate" he hadn't considered for one minute what his "managers" future instructions were likely to be.

As usual political talk is cheap!